DJ Spooky

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He irritates me enough to inspire a diatribe while simultaneously boring me to the point of enervation so I can't even write it. Arrrgh!

Clarke B., Wednesday, 12 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Inspired in part by Josh's "NB DJ Spooky can suck it" in an earlier thread, in part by an interview I read in which he discussed how fascinating recontextualization is that miraculously made me suddenly never want to hear another sample on a record ever again.

Clarke B., Wednesday, 12 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I've actually been more fascinated with the way that everyone seems to hate on him, I don't understand it. An academicist approach to music ... what's the big deal? It's not like he's the first, nor does he strike me as any more pretentious than anyone else. Actually, I've always gotten the vibe that he really digs talking about music the way he does. Musically, I'm only familiar with his first album, "Songs of a Dead Dreamer," and I can't say that his Thinker approach seems to have harmed his musicianship much. It's a beautiful record, filled with great sounds, very absorbing.

Dare, Wednesday, 12 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

He also did this EP that sounds like Panacea. There can't be anything wrong with that.

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 12 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

My entire opinion of DJ Spooky: I like that Dub Pistols "Peace in Zaire" remix. He has other music? Eh, OK, fine. Sure.

Nate Patrin, Wednesday, 12 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Admittedly, I've never heard his own music, but hey what's ownership anyway I mean he's just the sum of his influences and cosmic vibrations that float around in the cultural ether so to speak you know...

Clarke B., Wednesday, 12 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

the blah blah blah would be great if his records were great but they're not so it comes off as boring overrationalization (ha ha hello ILM). I've liked Riddim Warfare the most and it's still boring. he never fucks shit up as much as he says he does.

Josh, Wednesday, 12 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i dunno. i could do without his quoting d&g or mcluhan ...but some of his earlier music is pretty great. (i agree on "Songs of a Dead Dreamer" especially.)

clarke b, are you slamming his music or his writing?

m.

msp, Wednesday, 12 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I guess I was just trying to start something... I guess his "hey postmodernism is neat" thing is sort of endearing in a way, but when I read that interview it just rubbed me the wrong way. And I think I've had that reaction to some of his other writings... so yeah, it's not his music, though the term "illbient" is pretty awful, isn't it?

Clarke B., Wednesday, 12 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I've been meaning to start up this thread for months but haven't due to fear of all the random Spooky-haterz comments (I mean, when Momus accuses someone of being pretentious, etc) on NYLPM/ILM.

Personal favourites : Synthetic Fury, File Under Futurism (although that's probably more the work of the Freight Elevator Quartet), Songs Of A Dead Dreamer (latter half esp.). Difficult to get his stuff down here - trying to track down his collaboration with Merzbow (which could just be THE BEST THING EVER, or the worst), Under The Influence & his new album.
I find his writing energetic - I don't take it seriously (or DO I?), but his prose FLOW, maaaan - it's poetry. His music is tortured syntax, his tortured syntax is music ETC. Trance-like states.

Ess Kay, Wednesday, 12 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

he never fucks shit up as much as he says he does.

This is v.true, though - File Under Futurism was very reverential(?) towards the strings (you can extrapolate this to damn him as if you want, obv.)

Ess Kay, Wednesday, 12 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

His remix of that Metallica song that he did for the Spwan soundtrack was absolutely appalling. Horrible, terrible, and downright crap.

Andrew, Wednesday, 12 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

he really, really should've quit after "songs of a dead dreamer" - a fantastic album, wherein he takes hip-hop and the dub tendencies of the time (that later went to bloat) and gets heavily into the grain and feel of vinyl...crackle crackle. "illbient," excepting a couple of early tracks by we, never seemed like it had a point after that, and spooky's attempts at more orthodox hip-hop were pretty sad. and most importantly, they should've taken his macintosh away from him before he started writing the endless tailchasing theses that accompany his releases.

your null fame, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Has anyone heard his new album for Thirsty Ear, with Shipp, Parker, Billy Martin et al? Um, it actually sounds like it might be really good.

If it is, I will luckily be unbiased by any of his writings or previous material.

Jordan, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Found this on a chat archived on the Microsound list Hotline server.

" <<< multsanta has joined >>> <<< 4/28/00 7:47:09 PM >>> anechoic: hello...the chat begins in 12 minutes... Dj Spooky tha: Okay, so it's that time. I'm not that sure about how to start, so I'll give it a brief shot: Dj Spooky tha: I'm a conceptual artist and writer who uses sound to construct "narratives" based on "polyvalence" i.e. multiple formats and cultural zones. Sampling is one extension of this, and so is electro-acoustic composition..."

Shut up. You sample, okay? Whatever.

Ollee, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(Which is not to say I'm against academising music--I think it's fascinating, by and large. There's just no need to be so fucking pretentious about it.)

Ollee, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Using sound to construct narratives is so... um... not what I like my music to do.

Clarke B., Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

But ballads are grebt Clarke.

I own Songs For A Dead Dreamer but have never really given it the listens it deserves. I've never found he has much useful to say in his writings, but one track he did on some compilation or other (Swarm of Drones maybe? I forget.) was excellent, evocative ambient music (no need for the "illbient" label really).

Tom, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I sold 'dead dreamer' this week! I've got too many crackly gonowhere ambient albums anyway.

Josh, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

he holds the honor of having put on both the worst DJ performance I've ever seen (First Avenue, Mpls, 1997) and the worst live performance I've ever seen (The Quest, Mpls, 1998). like, wow.

M Matos, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Strange, I've got this mixtape he gave away at one of his readings which remains one of my favorite mixes, really amazing 93 style jungle, hiphop and some choice dub...and some weird singing French monks. I play Songs for a dead dreamer a lot, good background music you can drift in and out of, not too fluffy not too demanding and some great titles.

Omar, Friday, 14 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Overrated: DJ Spooky
Underrated: Dälek

j.lu, Sunday, 16 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...
OK, I just got Modern Mantra. I played it once and enjoyed it quite a bit. I don't know his other work or his writing but I know he gets a lot of hate from Chuck Eddy as well as The Wire. There's nothing super-far-out about this mix or anything but the sounds are very interesting and elaborate, the beats flow really well, and there are lots of surprises. What do people think of this?

sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 29 February 2004 07:44 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...
The book looks like a crappier, artier version of Kodwo Eshun's More Brilliant Than The Sun.

OCP (OCP), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 06:11 (twenty-one years ago)

ive never understood the hate he gets. hes not the only person trying to approach his music from an academic perspective in the world.

and some of his production has been quite brilliant, actually. see: riddim warfare for example.

thesplooge (thesplooge), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 09:03 (twenty-one years ago)

but his perspective is so much more wack than anyone else's, that's why.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 09:23 (twenty-one years ago)

well, fine, but what makes for wackness in this instance?

thesplooge (thesplooge), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 09:44 (twenty-one years ago)

why is his perspective wack?

I understand the hate he gets, he's wildly erratic. I've seen him do outstanding things and seen him do things so appalling I have to look away.

echoing a comment by Greg Tate, his strengths are in extended DJ sets, seamlessly juxtaposing extended pieces from 20th century classical & hip hop/dance. I've seen him do this to jawdropping effect, hearing xenakis mixed over jungle in '96 sounded fantastic & self-evident. unfortunately this means what he's best at will never be released due to licensing & format issues, while many of his attempts at 'original' albums come out stilted.

also, it's not the 'academic perspective' in itself that garners hatred, it's that sometimes he'll wander to the podium or NPR-microphone sounding as if he's stoned out of his mind. there's an art to throwing out interesting concepts while deferring a tidy conclusion, and Miller's free associations often sound (to me) simply incoherent. he's almost too easy to criticize, though the critics often end up sounding just as shallow.

it wasn't always this way, search his mid-90's writings & panel discussions, he's extremely lucid and thoughtful. was hoping his book would draw from that period but haven't had the courage to check it out.

(Jon L), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)

hearing the faust/dalek collaboration i actually thought of dj spooky several times.

the mention of classical and dance together makes me think of arthur russell.
m.

msp, Wednesday, 2 June 2004 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)

four years pass...

I just bought Sound Unbound. It's a neat essay anthology and the non-Spooky stuff on the CD is cool as well, but goddamn, why are this guy's "remixes" so shitty?

Everything is Highlighted (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 14 October 2008 04:03 (seventeen years ago)

mmm... I love me some academicized music.

Dogface Chain (res), Tuesday, 14 October 2008 05:23 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

Clarke's post starting this thread = A+

Ned Raggett, Monday, 2 November 2009 22:21 (sixteen years ago)

three years pass...

..."relevance guru"

http://www.vulture.com/2013/01/dj-spooky-spins-into-oblivion-at-the-met.html

Ned Raggett, Friday, 25 January 2013 21:27 (twelve years ago)

Belated thanks for the props, Ned! Still can't stand the guy, though I can honestly say it had been probably 4 years since I'd thought about him... Until now.

Clarke B., Friday, 25 January 2013 21:35 (twelve years ago)

ten years pass...

Back in the 1990s, when little information was available to listeners, I was hugely disappointed at my first hearing of a DJ Spooky album, because I had thought I was buying an album by the UK dance-music producers and remixers Spooky. I wonder how many other people that happened to.

Melomane, Monday, 31 July 2023 09:46 (two years ago)

I knew what I was buying but I was still disappointed.

Random Restaurateur (Jordan), Monday, 31 July 2023 12:58 (two years ago)

I bought his first album on the strength of a glowing cover story in The Wire. What a letdown that was.

henry s, Monday, 31 July 2023 13:00 (two years ago)

Riddum Warfare is a really cool album

brimstead, Monday, 31 July 2023 15:00 (two years ago)

one year passes...

I just rewatched Within Our Gates (Micheaux, 1920), with DJ Spooky's score. And while it was not actively bad, it was banal and generic.

Infanta Terrible (j.lu), Monday, 11 November 2024 03:07 (one year ago)


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