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anyone else watch the first 2 episodes (culling process) of American Idol?
is it being broadcast in the UK, too?
from what I saw last night, there are some potentially (already, even!) amazing singer/performers.
and I've been completely unmoved by Will Young and Gareth Gates so far (maybe it's the overfamiliar songs).

Paul, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

notice how they've also removed the "Pop" concept from the title
I guess cos the U.S. has a different conception or reality of Pop
PopFreeZone (poor dears) answers here:

Paul, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

see here.

Chris, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It's because we're patriotic now -- being American is far more important than being pop.

When I think "American Idol," I think of James Dean or Jason Bateman... someone like that.

Andy K, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Jason Bateman?????

Dan Perry, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Justine Bateman is more like it! Yowza.

paul, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

thanks Chris, wondered why my ILM search turned up nothing
people SURELY THIS TOPIC DESERVES BETTAH THAN ILE!

(at least now that it's moved beyond the comedy/selection period)

Paul, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Jason Bateman?????

Are you trying to tell me he wasn't an AMERICAN IDOL, Dan????

Andy K, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

He was no Corey Feldman, that's for sure.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Its not being broadcast here in the UK as far as I know, but I have been following the websites. How well is the show doing? What really made the UK show was it became a national conciousness kinda thing.

How well is the smart arse simon coming over? You guys do know it OK to hate him I take it.

Alexander Blair, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

They all sounded alike. Even though some of them had great voices - none of them were original - most were just hacks, trying to mimic the style of someone else. A few were actually good, but still not doing anything original. The world is (i.e. I am) sick of that "from the heart" R&B shit.

Dave225, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

tsk tsk Dave... surely only when it's phoney. do you really believe they're all robots
and that no trace of personality/feelings show through? even then, empty technique can be a thrill of its own
though even I can tire of a Mariah, for example
(I detect a rrrockist...)

Paul, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

do you really believe they're all robots and that no trace of personality/feelings show through?

Uhh.. That is correct, sir.

Dave225, Friday, 14 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

haha surely robots are admirably free of hearts for shit to be from => one of the interesting things abt idol (uk and it sounds like us) was the professional valorisation of (industry-approved? official?) "technique", as opposed to "talent", as something to be rewarded => given that rock culture's attitude to technique is SO FUCKING CONFLICTED AND CONTRADICTORY this is a real keen shift, if only for the sake of "shaking things up" (cf the current uk no.1 of course = a brilliant robot sings a doors classic, and actually gives the song more meaning, by witholding unveiled passion, than the original) (this = true even if you don't hate jim morrison)

ts: objectivity-panic vs authenticity-panic

mark s, Friday, 14 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"Unchained Melody" & "Light My Pyre" must go!
"Ain't No Mountain High Enough" is so strong they can't kill it...

BTW - I'm the one with the cybersoul tag, funny innit?

Paul, Friday, 14 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

ready for tonight? Ryan and Tamyra are my faves so far from this batch, but competition is tuff so others could pull through. if I remember right - Chris, Rhodesia & Kelli were strong too. Ryan's got the sultry thing down, less peppy than others, perfect for smokey bereft torchsongs (but she's a Journey fan!).
(cross-post alert)

Paul, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Tamyra & Chris all the way! Ryan was good too, but I'd like to hear her sing ballads. Rodesia has an incredibly powerful voice but her very looseness/improv-ability worked against her as she started outoftune and didn't swing key moments in the song, plus less than stellar stagepresence. If the next 2 weeks reveal singer-performers as strong as Tamyra & Chris this could be an exciting showdown!

Paul, Wednesday, 19 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

so who will it be tonight? everyone's going to be checking Justin 'Z- factor' Guarini. I agree that so far he's most-likely-to. only complaint is he's almost too good. what? can there be such a thing? I mean that he's an almost effortlessly brilliant vocalist, almost too slick/confident (people mentioned Jeff Buckley). if he runs away with this, it might make for a less interesting contest. still, maybe he'll show some fire.

my fave out of this batch is Tenia - impossibly cute & love her husky vocals. can't remember the performances of most of the rest, though Jazmin seems to stand out and maybe Kelly? that's a great picture of Angela, too: American Idol
(crosspost with: ILEthread )

Paul, Tuesday, 25 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

not surprised there's little interest today. last night's show was exceedingly DULL. the performers, especially the most anticipated, really didn't deliver the goods. having said that, 3 of them did have spark: Tenia, Justin & Angela. Tenia's still my fave - man, she's progressed from cute to gorgeous! Justin, even though his song was lowkey, still rates 10 on the charisma chart. Angela had the strongest voice of the night - and she loses herself in the song! fingers-crossed: no #*@% sympathy votes this time, please!

Paul, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

...was great, as was the person before him who belted out a fine "Respect" (don't remember her name, but I don't think she advanced). (Vinnie)

"oh dear... I'm afraid I" disagree. Kelly's "Respect" did nothing for me... and she did advance, by the way. much more disappointed this time, cos 2 of the best singers - Tenia and Angela - got passed over by the voters. guessing the rural (Kelly) and teenyboppergirl (A.J.) votes came into play. A.J.'s basically a wet whiney 112/Backstreet Boy wanna-be - curiously he looks a bit like Gareth Gates! at least Justin got thru, no surprise there. so that leaves Chris, Tenia & Angela as worthy finalists who've been passed over. next week it's the guys I rate: Kahleef and especially R.J. (+ maybe Nikki). stay tuned...
(crosspost, as usual)

Paul, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Jazmin was robbed.

tnd, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Jazmin ABSOLUTELY was robbed. GRRR. On the bright side, I once again got two of the three finalists correct and am again cursing Simon for causing a groundswell of sympathy votes for the worst performer. (I would have been happy if Angela or Tenia had gotten in as well.)

The next round has Red in it! She's great!

Dan Perry, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think Jazmin's great too, but this time around she impressed me less cos her voice seemed to be giving. felt like she'd be doomed in the finals...

Dan, which one's Red? Nikki (Pink II)? seemed like she had attitude, in a good way. just took a look at more bio, though, and unfortunately "Unchained Melody" is her fave song. but I also noticed that Tanesha's fave song is by ETTA JAMES! that immediately elevates her for me.

by the way, so glad to see people posting on the ILM thread now! can we agree there's a degree of musical (vocal, at least) talent on the show. for example, even A.J. who I slammed above is basically a good singer.

Paul, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

AJ is a much better singer than Jim "No Breath Support" V. AJ's big problem is that he's an insecure vocal clone of Justin Timberlake, whose voice I HATEHATEHATE because he's far too nasal in his mid- range. Actually, I've been surprised that out of the twenty singers we've seen so far, there are only four or five I can think of who I'd say can't sing well. (Unfortunately, two of them are in the finals.)

Dan Perry, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Here's for hoping Jazmin gets in as the wildcard. Or maybe Jamar for his hilarious, unsettling take on Careless Whisper.

Tim DiGravina, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Simon was SO right when he said Jamar shouted that song. I was sitting there going, "EEK! Don't hurt me!"

Dan Perry, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Unfortunately, two of them are in the finals.

DO YOU SEE!!??

pop = evil DO YOU SEE??!!, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Dan, it sure was fun to watch him shouting, though it did get kind of scary after a bit. He looked like he was about to kill somebody or morph into the Hulk... He might even be the Hulk. I think Jamar would be well served to put together an album of all George Michael and Wham covers. It would be fascinating.

Tim DiGravina, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

this thread's gone Bone Idol! (sorry)
recap of last week: better voting means the performances with the most spark got thru - Christina, Nikki and EJay all deserving. I was disappointed that R.J. and Khaleef didn't shine more (nerves most likely?), since both of them have good voices and charisma.

here's how it stands for me:

- 9 finalists -
best performances/most likely to:
Justin, Tamyra, Christina
personal faves:
Ryan and Nikki

- wildcard -
top choices:
Tenia, Christopher Aaron, R.J.
next faves:
Khaleef and Angela
also like Jazmin and Rodesia a lot, but don't think they'll make it...
Simon's going to be pushing for Adriel - who I hope doesn't make it
he's got the performance angle down, but his vocals are cardboard

anyone else got a different rundown?

Paul, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

That was the first show where I didn't want to punch America.

Something tells me that Chris is going to get the wildcard spot. I'd love to see Angela or Tenia get it, though.

Dan Perry, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

sorry I been so lazy bout updating this. the wildcard show was one of the best so far, probably because it was a bit more focused on performance and the competition was so strong.

out of the 5 contenda's, 3 were personal faves - RJ, Chris and Angela, so I was really surprised when both Chris and Angela were outsung by 2 I hadn't rated before: Kelli, who finally kept the shrill nasal buzz at bay, and Alexis - who TORE IT UP!

I was happy to see RJ pull through finally and blow the judges away and his selection as wildcard made for good emotional (comeback king) TV. on the other hand, I feel that Alexis sang as strongly, so I was disappointed that judges Simon & Randy disagreed, criticizing her for: "karaoke", "missed runs", "singing a song too old for you", "better as a Latino artist", etc.

if someone I don't even rate can wow me with "Saving All My Love For You" believe me it's really something... I thought her singing was tremendous and that's why I enjoy this show so much - aside from the trashy/reality/pop elements (that I would go for anyway) we get this pay-off in great singing - lightning striking - a oneoff performance coming alive. it's magic!

Paul, Sunday, 14 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

this week - at last: Jim is voted off! nice guy, but way out of his league.
other vote-off, EJay, was a strong performer but quirky (all-over-the- place) singer - still good though, I'm sure he'll get singing work.

great to see the performers' reaction to a live audience, 'specially Ryan - her performance practically a group orgasm. she didn't even have to sing that strongly to get it across...

pros like Tamyra and Justin were easily able to shine. that's why I kind of hope someone less perfect like Ryan or RJ takes it - their stage presence a bit more electric. Justin and Tamyra have already proved themselves - they'll get recording contracts either way. Justin and Ryan seem to be the sex idols of the show - Justin causing women to swoon and faint, Ryan elicting almost as much interest from women as men (famous messageboard quote: "even I'd do her, and I'm a woman" - !)

though her singing was better this week, I still don't see what the fuss is over Kelly. bubbly white girl sings R&B - big deal... much less exciting than the smouldering, edgy Nikki.

Paul, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

misquote, sorry, should be: "I'm a girl, and even I want ryan".

other endearing Ryan moments: "I'm just a big dORK!"
and choosing to sing "If You Really Love Me" one of my fave Stevie Wonder songs

Paul, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

One down, one to go! (AJ, could you please hold up this bullseye? Thanks.)

Personally, I think that having an AJ, RJ and Ejay in the finals confused the public and the accidentally voted the wrong J off the show.

Dan Perry, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I've missed the last two shows, which is annoying because I'm sure the competition has gotten pretty good by now. Thanks for keeping me updated, Paul! (I'm also glad Jim got voted off :D)

Vinnie, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

oh dear! Ryan in worst performance of the night (perhaps the show) shocker!
I suppose it was inevitable after her coasting thru last week largely on looks/vibe alone.
if you can imagine a simultaneous shouty but weak version of "You Really Got Me",
OTT in everything but vocal chops... maybe her time to go.
if only we could have heard her husky voice on ballads.

last week's theme was Motown, this one's was 60's -
and themes for covers are helping the tunage.
biggest turnaround of the night for me was 'embracing Kelly.'
when they announced she'd be singing "(You Make Me Feel Like) A Natural Woman"
my eyes rolled - not another Aretha chestnut...!
but the ballad brought out her vocal strength
she may not have the fullest tone,
but she has accuracy and that counted for a lot tonight,
narrowly beating Christina who is alive with vocal power and vibe,
but sang sharp and with excess vibrato (her main flaw that keeps her from #1).
Kelly, on the other hand, has had two good weeks in a row -
and she positively glowed tonight.
I love that about this show, the way time reveals performers' stage presence and vocals
and that some fall while others redeem themselves even thru one strong vocal (Alexis).
finally, Tamyra ate the competition for breakfast lunch and dinner,
her performance in another dimension to everyone else,
including (significantly) Justin.

here's my rough ranking of last night:

Tamyra
Kelly
RJ
Christina
Justin
Nikki
AJ
Ryan

anyone agree or disagree?

Paul, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I disagree slightly with your rankings. I've managed to miss all of Kelly's performances until last night, where she REALLY blew me away. I was in shock. I mean, okay, when she went for the octave leap she was sharp, but it was still convincing. My rankings:

Kelly
Tamyra (slightly off, but still a great performance)
Justin (it wasn't a weak performance; it just wasn't the full-on pyrotechnic show people assume he's always going to do)
RJ (Why does Simon hate him so much?)
Christina (SHE IS COASTING ON HER LOOKS. I HATE HER VIBRATO. Nice weave, though!)
Nikki (couldn't tell if her pitch vagaries were interpretation or nerves)
AJ (MAKE HIM GO AWAY)
Ryan (Oops!)

One thing I will say in Ryan's defense, though, is that it was very obvious to me that everything she did up there she did deliberately. When Paula said, "You got off from your vocal track near the end," and Ryan said in a shocked, puzzled tone of voice, "But... I changed the song..." I WAS IN HYSTERICS. Also, as much of a twunt as Simon is, at least he's giving the impression of taking the goal of the competition seriously. Paula is a fucking HORRIBLE judge because she's refusing to pass judgement.

(At the end of the day, Justin and Tamyra are still on top of the pack, but Kelly has gone WAY UP in my estimation to join them with RJ close behind.)

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

AJ (MAKE HIM GO AWAY)

I had a dream last night. The remaining contestants were assigned Van Halen songs. AJ had to do "Panama" and obviously it was most horrible. (Ryan's meltdown made me think she had only heard VH's version of "You Really Got Me"; that p'bly had something to do with my dream being VH-related.)

Justin's confidence has turned into cockiness. Not a good thing for him but it obviously won't have any bearing on his popularity.

Andy K, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I have the added benefit of TiVO, which allows me to go back and confirm or reaccess performances, even against earlier saved shows. It's amazing to be able to go back and witness a star performance - seems even more stunning the second time around! helped confirm Kelly this week, too.

Dan your comment about RJ/Simon is interesting because it points up that sometimes judges (esp. Simon) seem to be looking for raise-the- roof performances, wheras often a more subtle lowkey approach can exude more vocal vibe. This show has really shown (ha!) me the difference between performance pyrotechnics, which are more akin to acting or sports, and soulful vocals - where a performer gets inside the feeling of a song. RJ is excellent at the latter and has a wonderful voice, just a pleasure to hear.

Paul, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Dan, nice call - you got the bottom 4 right! and Andy you got your wish: no more AJ! though after all this time I kinda like the dude. what I like most about AJ is that he has the whole boyband thing down so much that he almost seems more authentically - i dunno - boybandish? than many actual boyband members. plus he sounds the part. and his collar-poppin' nonchalance shows his determination and strength. too bad he didn't have the pipes or stage-energy to get over solo

as for Ryan, whatta reprieve! hope she takes it as a wake-up call. this competition will not be won on looks & stagepresence alone - I'd put vocals and the ability to affect the audience with your song first. ElectroClash, R U listening?

Paul, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I guess Ryan didn't heed that wake-up call, huh? (I didn't see the wrap-up show; who was ranked down there with her?)

Christina's getting much better. I initially loved RJ's performance, but watching it a second time was disappointing. Kelly and Tamyra are UNREAL; they both deserve contracts. Kelly espeically was nervous as hell and on the verge of passing out throughout her entire performance and still managed to fight through vocal problems and give a great performance. Tamyra is a MACHINE; wind her up and watch her be fucking amazing. Justin needs to center himself; he's got the chops but he's letting his show strategies get in the way of his performances (I for one didn't believe his woefully insincere apology for a SECOND; I spent a good five minutes applauding his tactics).

I initially thought Justin was going to mop this competition up, but now it seems that Kelly and Tamyra are the two who are most consistent and most resilient.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

amazingly, the 2 with lowest votes were sex symbols Justin and Ryan. I've been preferring RJ to Justin lately, though, so it's making sense. audiences (9+ million!) are now voting on performance over looks, which is great... I agree with you Dan that Tamyra and Kelly are towering over the rest. the differences between the 2? Kelly's voice is weaker when she's not belting it out, though she gains control as the song develops and her pipes get flexed. she gets a lot of feeling into the performances. Tamyra is stronger overall, but almost like a machine - it's hard to tell if her heart's in the song, because she's bustin' out pyrotechnics all the time!

this week's cull was emotional, because despite occasional weak performances, everyone in this lot had strong talent and could easily cut good vocals for records. UK produced 4 solo pop idols so far, wonder how many the U.S. version will yield? from AJ on up, I could see any of the final 8 making it. now we're down to 6. though the other 4 will have to turn up the heat to come close to even approaching the level of Kelly and Tamyra!

Paul, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I must say, thought, that as far as being a professional singer is concerned, you kind of need to be like a machine if you want to be successful. People who chronically pull out of stuff or give wildly inconsistent performances are not going to be counted on to perform well (and will be correspondingly less successful).

This show is WAY BETTER than "Popstars" and "Making The Band"; there's a vested interest in seeing who ends up winning due to the national vote aspect.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I saw both Tuesday's and Wednesday's shows and I'm glad I did. I love how dramatic and emotional the show is getting now, as extremely talented people that many love are getting voted out. I think Ryan was a notch below the rest of them (not a very consistent performer), but she certainly has the talent to make it.

I was SHOCKED that Justin was in the bottom two. I thought he would surely be the one that would get through totally on looks and past performances when his vocals failed him, but that doesn't appear to be the case.

Vinnie, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Which of the American Idols do you think are going to be offered recording contracts? At this point, I think that Kelly and Tamyra are givens, regardless of whether they win or not. Justin's going to get one if he goes back to concentrating on singing rather than trying to outthink the viewers (possibly he's too smart & arrogant for his own good?). RJ is also going to get offered a contract, I bet. Christina and Nicki are wild-cards; it could go either way with them (especially Nicki).

Of the ones voted off, I hope an R&B exec saw Angela Peel's auditions because that girl DESERVES to get a contract. (ATTN ?UESTLOVE) AJ, Jim and Ryan should get nothing. God, how I've soured on Ryan Star! They needed to work on the distribution of their talent in the round of 30 segment; they had something like five outstanding people in the last group. Ejay I can't comment on because I didn't see the performance that led to his dismissal.

Actually, if they put together a group with Tenia, Angela, Natalie (the girl from group 1 who sang Patsy Cline) and Jazmin, I'd buy their record.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'll definitely give you Tamyra, Kelly, and Justin (I have a feeling they will be the final three as well), but Christina and RJ don't have distinct personalities and I think it might be hard to market them (RJ in particular looks more like a boy band MEMBER, not a solo artist). Nikki is a little like Pink, but original enough that I think she will be offered a contract. Probably no one eliminated thus far wil get a contract either because they weren't distinctive enough (EJ, AJ) or they weren't talented enough (JIM!). Also, I agree with you re: the distribution of talent, Dan.

Vinnie, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hmmm. In hindsight, I shouldn't have put the word 'member' in all caps.

Vinnie, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Dude, with her looks it will be SO EASY to market Christina! Lookwise, she and Nickie are the most marketable of the finalists. It's too bad Chris Aaron didn't make the fial cut because I think he was the most marketable guy in the final 30. RJ does look like a boy- band member; that's why he's marketable. (That's also why AJ got so far in the competition, although after his last performance I'm willing to admit that a voice lurks within him somewhere, assuming he starts working with a decent vocal coach and stops imitating Justin Timberlake.) Tamyra and Kelly both have different angles on the "girl-next-door" thing, Justin isn't nearly attractive enough to pull off the heart-throb thing he's going for unless he's rock-solid on his singing all the time; ditto Ryan and her "rock sex kitten" thing that really looked more like "Mommy, Billy attacked me with scissors again!"

I think the marketing department would have hung themselves if Jim or Ejay had won.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd like to get on this show and bust out a freestyle rap with an acoustic guitar.

Chris, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Christina is cute, yes, and she definitely has talent, but she's so faceless. Is it enough? I think originality plays a big part in the success of a solo artist, although I suppose the popularity of Ashanti supports your case (hee hee, diss).

Vinnie, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

and then there were 5! Christina's gone. her singing's surge faltered over the past couple of weeks and without that her weaknesses (see above) were foregrounded.

as for the others though, this past week confirmed that there are at least 3 worthy American Idol candidates. song theme was big band, replete with live band accompaniment. what Justin lacked in vocal power he made up with perfect timing, swing. on a higher level, opening and closing the show, Tamyra and Kelly are - to many - already superstars. great judge comments - Simon to Tamyra: "how did you remain undiscovered for so long?" Paula to Kelly Kelly Kelly: "you're a triple threat - I could see you in the movies, on TV, in the charts - you have it all, you. have. it. all..."

I have to laugh at my earlier comments above re: Kelly. how was I to know that this 'bubbly white girl' belting out "Respect" is a talent of this order. and now the confession, I sometimes get ~chills~ when she sings. I am proven wrong - almost as sweet as when someone on the Associates thread later took back their 'I don't get it' in "I was wrong, boy was I wrong" terms...

Paul, Sunday, 11 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Kelly has taken me by surprise as well. As she's gone up, Justin has gone down. Tamyra has been at the same level throughout.

Andy K, Sunday, 11 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Kelly and Tamyra = full-blown stars. It'd be funny if some record company offered them a contract before the show ended, but I'm sure there's some sort of contractual obligation to FOX anyway. For the first time on Tuesday, I was sad to see someone leave. Christina did a great job on Tuesday (one of her best performances yet and CERTAINLY better than RJ's), but she lost in spite of that. Stiff competition obv.

Vinnie, Sunday, 11 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Poor Nikki. Oh well, she's had an amazing run, even though it's been disappointing watching her nerves run over her performances (she was WAY BETTER in the preliminary stages of the show than she is now).

I don't quite get the reaction to Tamyra's performance. I thought it was excellent, but it wasn't the best thing to ever grace television! Although, I do agree that she's at least on par with Whitney and Mariah (because neither of them can really sing anymore and Whitney's been woefully overrated for her entire career).

I want to beat Justin with a stick for working against his strengths. He should be MILKING the Maxwell angle for all it's worth.

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I have to revise my estimation of Nikki after this week; she is the supreme Teflon performer in this competition. The look on Justin's face when they announced R.J. was voted out. was PRICELESS; he knows that if he can't outsing Tamyra and Kelly next week, he has to face The Girl Who Won't Go Away and is in serious danger of being bounced. Whatever it is Nikki's doing wrong with her singing, she's more than making up for it with her attitude/presentation/child.

A final three of Kelly, Tamyra and Nikki would be frightening, because that would mean that whatever's going on with the Nikki Groundswell has grown large enough to legitimately threaten the two superstars.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

watching Nikki cry after her reprieve, I couldn't help wonder if she was feeling guilty that her kid's presenting of the flower to her may have cost RJ the chance to stay in the show. also, after several weeks of being in the bottom 3, are her nerves shot by now or is she getting used to it?

after the fun of the big band episode, this week seemed tougher on all the performers. personal supervision from Burt Bacharach - sounds heavenly right? maybe it was the love songs theme - demanding emotional depth. so Justin sounded cloyingly unctuous on one of Bacharach/David's best songs "The Look Of Love" (unfortunate arrangement, too). Kelly and Tamyra still shone, of course... slightly shakey, Kelly's "Walk On By" was more a collection of great moments than a commanding vocal performance, but with such a strong presence and amazing vocal nuances, she's a pure joy to watch and hear. Kelly reminds me of classic Broadway/Hollywood/Jazz&Blues stars - like a happier Helen Morgan, perhaps. Tamyra gave a delicate, tearful rendition of "A House Is Not A Home". Radiating aura and dazzling vocal power, Tamyra commands attention like no other on the show. The showdown between these 2 could be phenomenal!

hearing that the entire series is going to be available on DVD, I felt for Ryan because this show is going to go down as the Ryan- cleavage episode... (sitting behind the judges in a leaning forward position without proper support is a recipe for... well at least she's getting extra TV exposure).

and Paul's all-time fave Bacharach/David tune? :
"In the Land of Make Believe"
(both Dionne Warwick and Dusty Springfield's versions)
(ILM/ILE crosspost)

Paul, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

and then there were 4 - who will it be tonight: Tamyra, Kelly, Justin or Nikki?

Paul (scifisoul), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 12:32 (twenty-three years ago)

My critique on the performances:

Tamyra and Kelly are beginning to show their scars from belting everything; both of the were extremely ragged around the edges. Their first songs in particular were awful; Tamyra's take on "New Attitude" evoked images of Ryan Starr while Kelly gave a placid, no-emotion robot rendition of "It's Raining Men". By contrast, Justin's "Get Here" was AMAZING (although his "P.Y.T" debacle later on took off any points he had built up). Tamyra's second song was much better suited towards her, while Kelly would have been great had she been in voice.

So, who would have predicted that the most consistent performer of the evening would be NIKKI? She still isn't the singer the other three are, but the song choices tonight worked for her rather than against her (particularly that Melissa Etheridge song). If only she would support the ends of her phrases! I must say I like the darker red hair on her, too.

Here's my ranking of the performances:

Tamyra #2
Justin #1
Nikki #2
Nikki #1
Kelly #2
Kelly #1
Justin #2
Tamyra #1

Anyone could be the bottom two tonight. I'm going out on a limb and saying it will be Kelly and Nikki, with Nikki going home. However, if people judge solely on last night's show, the bottom two will be Justin and Kelly with Kelly going home. (Even though Tamrya gave the worst performance of the evening, Justin gave the most embarassing and Kelly gave the most boring.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 20:45 (twenty-three years ago)

agree with Dan 100%. I luv Tamyra and would hate to see her go. same for Kelly. I hope consistency over the course of weeks rather than one night's show helps the outcome. Nikki or Justin should go tonight ...if there's any justice. I do fear their fanbases though.

Paul (scifisoul), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 23:47 (twenty-three years ago)

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Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 22 August 2002 11:10 (twenty-three years ago)

It's a good thing I'm not a bookie. I think it's official: Nikki is made of Teflon. At this point, I think she's going to win solely because it's so improbable that she won't. Kelly needs to start chucking Ricola down her gullet ASAP.

I'm not too upset about Tamyra getting cut because I know that she was besieged with calls from people wanting to sign her the instant she stepped off stage, including Simon. In many ways, it's good that she's out now because she can rest up for the AI tour and someone else who needs it more (Justin, Nikki) has a shot at the guaranteed contract. (Kelly's going to get her own phone-call deluge after she loses to Nikki.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 August 2002 12:40 (twenty-three years ago)

I think whoever wins this thing is bound to be cursed, so I'm glad in a way that Tamyra is out of the running.

Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 22 August 2002 12:54 (twenty-three years ago)

I was thinking of that, Nicole: look at Eden's Crush now (and just think, if it hadn't been for the baby, Nikki most likely would have been in that group).

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 August 2002 13:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Or even Will Young -- it seems like Gareth Gates is having more success than he has had already. I pay too much attention to the British charts, I'm afraid.

Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 22 August 2002 13:19 (twenty-three years ago)

my jaw hit the fucking floor last night, but in retrospect, yes yr right, this is the best thing that could have happened to tamyra. whoever actually does win this thing is going to be looked at as king/queen circus geek, so really i don't want kelly to win it either! justin/nikki, ho!

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 22 August 2002 13:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Justin already has circus hair, he should win.

Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 22 August 2002 13:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Circus dancing, too.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 August 2002 13:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Mulatto Maxwell and his fancy flipper dance moves. What the hell was that all about.

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 22 August 2002 13:25 (twenty-three years ago)

I want to work that shit for my wedding. I think the fiance will dig my new moves.

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 22 August 2002 13:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Justin played MC Skat Kat last night.

Andy K (Andy K), Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:00 (twenty-three years ago)

look at Eden's Crush now

The fact that I had to scratch my head and wonder who the hell you were talking about perhaps sez it all.

I've idly wondered to myself why I haven't been watching this show, and I think it has something to do with the fact that its whole competitive/judging/public reaction ethos makes no sense to me at all as a listener. I don't see music as a game, I can't sense it on those levels. But it's not just that...I really don't know, the whole thing seems like this really perverse waste of time that I can't put my finger on. We normally just hear final products after having been buffed and run through the wringer. In ways, that IS all I want!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 22 August 2002 15:09 (twenty-three years ago)

As a performer, I'm watching this show through the green eyes of envy. If it had come out seven years ago, I would have auditioned. (Same with Joei.) I also find it deeply unfair that other countries allow contestants up to age 30, while the cut-off here is 24.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 August 2002 15:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Dan, we'll give you an audition at Terrastock. Although rules are: you must dance like Justin.

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 22 August 2002 15:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Dan on stage freestyling over Bardo Pond = my idea of a weird-ass dream come to life.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 22 August 2002 16:01 (twenty-three years ago)

I guess you're right - ain't no holdin' Tamyra back now!

I'm just bummed that the last 2 shows won't be as good.

if Kelly goes next week there will be even less point to the final.

after all, even though it's called American 'Idol',

its huge success has come thru crossover.

pretty much everyone can appreciate great singing,

but if it's just down to image/fanbase then a lot of non-teenybopper (etc) audience will be left out.

hope all Tamyra's fans migrate to Kelly now.

Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 22 August 2002 16:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Noooo! I missed Tuesday's show, so it was to my EXTREME disappointment to see Tamyra lose! Grr.... perhaps if I had seen the Tuesday show, I wouldn't be so dumbfounded. I do think she will get offered a contract, so I'm not mad, but it's still disappointing to see my favorite lose.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Thursday, 22 August 2002 16:53 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm not sure why I'm so interested by the show, Ned. I could say something along the lines of "my vote picks the winner!", but I've only voted twice I think, so that's obviously not it. I think it's more interesting just in a suspenseful Big Brother-type way, and getting to hear nice performances is a bonus.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Thursday, 22 August 2002 17:00 (twenty-three years ago)

They've now crystallized the candidates into three distinct archetypes: The Singer (Kelly), The Heartthrob (Justin) and The Rebel (Nikki). Assuming that people follow the voting patterns which have been established so far, Kelly's going to walk through next week and the battle will be between Nikki and Justin. Odds are that the people support Tamyra who haven't been supporting other contestants will do one of several things:

1) Vote Kelly because she's The Singer.
2) Vote Justin because he can sing.
3) Vote Justin because he's ethnic.
4) Vote Nikki because she's redeeming herself.
5) Vote Nikki as a spoiler for Kelly.
6) Stop watching and voting.

How the vote distribution falls along those lines will determine who goes on and who doesn't more than the actual performances, assuming there isn't another train wreck. If Kelly doesn't get healthy, she's out next week because her core constituency will not support her if she's in bad voice. If Justin gets conceited and smug again, he's out. If Nikki... you know, at this point I have no idea what Nikki would ave to do to get kicked out of the competition at this stage, because up until this week she's been the weakest performer since AJ got kicked out, yet she's managed to stay in the competition. Maybe if she comes out and shits onstage, she'll get booted off. (No, that would just attract the coprophiliac vote. I'm telling you, she's going to win this thing.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 August 2002 17:01 (twenty-three years ago)

getting to hear nice performances is a bonus

Which leads me to another quick question -- exactly what have they been performing again? I think there was a mention of Whitney Houston covers somewhere along the line, and I have to admit that a prospect of a bunch of people just doing that for a show doesn't exactly warm my heart. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 22 August 2002 17:07 (twenty-three years ago)

skee dappa dee dappa dee....

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 22 August 2002 17:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, obviously you have to like the styles of music they are singing, and I do. :) (There hasn't been much Whitney Houston actually, just a lot of people chose Whitney songs in the preliminary rounds.)

Vinnie (vprabhu), Thursday, 22 August 2002 17:32 (twenty-three years ago)

There's a list on the website of all of the songs sung by contestants to date. You can also bring yourself up to date on what happened on each episode via hilariously sarcastic episode summaries.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 August 2002 18:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(The recap for Tuesday's show can be read here. It's a good example of the type of humor prevalent throughout the recaps.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 August 2002 18:39 (twenty-three years ago)

well thank goodness for that (Nikki gone, Kelly still in), but the irony of it all is that Nikki has been the most consistent performer for the past two episodes (and her repeat of "Black Velvet" last night may be her finest so far). can we all acknowledge, though, that this show peaked about 3 or 4 weeks ago - the Big Band episode being the most satisfying performances overall (Kelly & the show's peak - "Some Of That There", Tamyra - "Minnie The Moocher") and the following Burt Bacharach love songs episode (Kelly still strong, Tamyra's possible peak "A House Is Not A Home") the last truly interesting show. although I am a HUGE fan of Kelly, I don't rate her take on "Without You"*. she's been noticable off-form for 2 weeks. Justin as American Idol? - no, simply hasn't lived up to it - visually maybe, vocally no. Nikki's straight-up takes on songs have recently shown-up Justin & Kelly's overwrought/overcompensating attempts. with Tamyra gone, the final show is ultimately hollow and onesided - and I sure hope Kelly gets to rest those vocal chords plus a song she can work her magic on.

(*you can't mess with Badfinger...)

Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 29 August 2002 16:51 (twenty-three years ago)

It does feel like something's off, not just because Tamyra is gone, but because there's just less variety. Nikki added some personality, even if she wasn't a terrific singer, and as much as I hate to say it, so did Ryan Starr. I don't think the performances have gone down in quality (thought both of Justin's were fantastic), but there's a spark missing and the show ironically feels less exciting now. Only a week left anyway...

Vinnie (vprabhu), Friday, 30 August 2002 03:01 (twenty-three years ago)

still euphoric after a great finale... somehow they managed to redeem the show and despite the obvious work, at times it seemed to be coasting on magic energy - can u feel the luv? - American Idol goes out a winner! Kelly's incredible renditions of "Moment Like This" and ESPECIALLY "Before Your Love" saved the day - lending MOR ballads unimaginable depth. a star is born!
my new theory is that American Idol is to 9-11 as The Beatles were to the JFK assassination, people were looking for a powerful feel-good to unite/heal them. crucially for music fans, though, what is American Idol to Pop? we'll soon see...

Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 5 September 2002 15:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Im still waiting for the Big Brother/American Idol cross over where the last 4 people left in the house get a recording contract and the cover of the Rolling Stone.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 5 September 2002 15:32 (twenty-three years ago)

ten years pass...

Didn't see this, but this battle over proper singing style sounds interesting:

http://www.nextavenue.org/blog/why-harry-connick-jr-couldnt-sit-idle-during-idol

His breaking point came when Randy Jackson implied that Connick's advice had hindered Kree’s vacuous rendition of "Stormy Weather," which none of the judges liked. He thought she should have sung it more like Etta James, as she had wanted to do. As it turned out, her rendition was neither Etta nor Lena, nor even Kree. It lacked any personality or feeling. You could see Connick about to pop his cork. That's when Keith Urban went into the audience, took Connick by the hand and brought him to the judge’s table. Taking a seat, Connick proceeded to school a very defensive Jackson in the art of singing standards. The point Connick tried to make, which Jackson didn't want to hear, was that the show’s contestants didn't know these classic songs well enough to take liberties with their melodies and lyrics. In doing so, they were murdering the music.

curmudgeon, Monday, 6 May 2013 15:18 (twelve years ago)

I enjoyed that. Something that needed to be said, and actually had been said so much that it became a cliche and people stopped saying it, but said better than anyone had said it before, by a person who really knows what he's talking about

huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Monday, 6 May 2013 15:20 (twelve years ago)

I know that the response of a certain camp of ILM would be something like "well why not belted-out, overly exuberant, hollow renditions of Stormy Weather with lots of melisma, you rockist?" I want that voice out of my head already, it ruins everything.

huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Monday, 6 May 2013 15:22 (twelve years ago)

I was thinking about that, and I like that the last 2 sentences clarify this a bit because otherwise I could see folks saying yes to Etta James over Lena Horne.

curmudgeon, Monday, 6 May 2013 15:38 (twelve years ago)

Yeah, I had that sort of drilled into me in music school I guess - it's not that you shouldn't ad lib on a song, it's that you shouldn't ad lib on it before you know the melody and harmony really well. I had a professor who made us learn lyrics to jazz standards even though we were playing them instrumentally.

huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Monday, 6 May 2013 15:50 (twelve years ago)

i thought harry was awesome, and i'm glad the show gave him the airtime to make his case, and repeat his case, and then make it again, and then lose his head over it. it was great tv, and it was smart mentoring.

but to be fair to randy, he didn't say please sing with as much melisma as possible. he basically said you don't have to listen to everything everyone tells you to do, including harry connick jr. it's ok to be yourself. that's all. and there's something essentially true, obviously, in that.

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 00:23 (twelve years ago)

http://www.npr.org/blogs/therecord/2013/05/06/181586182/harry-connick-idol-and-the-pop-charts-can-you-define-good-singing?sc=tw&cc=share

Ann Powers says Harry "bullied" the singers, but most of the NPR commenters disagree

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 04:46 (twelve years ago)

there might be a lot of different definitions of "good" singing, but I don't think any of them include not understanding what the song is about

huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 05:04 (twelve years ago)

Yep. Also, Connick was forceful in his comments but I wouldn't call it bullying.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 15:58 (twelve years ago)

As a classical singer, that Ann Powers piece is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen written about singing.

Everything she says about the Connick/Holcombe interaction during the coaching is completely off, plus the commentary about Rihanna blankly performing everything the same with no sense of the words she's singing hasn't actually been true since Rated R and, regardless of whether you like the song, is a ridiculous thing to say about the performance given in "Stay". It also doesn't help that she wholesale abandons her thesis of Harry Connick Jr being a fuddy-duddy who is stuck in a rut of not recognizing the value of other approaches to a song by artificially extending it to performers who weren't on stage and weren't coached by him and then going on to celebrate the AI contestant who is the closest living embodiment of the stance Connick is taking as the best performer on the show.

far too much asshole flesh (DJP), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 16:25 (twelve years ago)

From the Kacey Musgraves thread

Kree Harrison, a current top 4 contestant on American Idol, is best buds with Kacey, sings on her record, and is I believe the younger sister (or cousin?) of Kacey's guitarist.

― Josh in Chicago, Friday, April 26, 2013 7:50 PM (1 week ago)

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 14:00 (twelve years ago)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/kree-or-candice-idol-finale-kicks-off-with-finalists-kree-harrison-and-candice-glover/2013/05/16/066c8e1a-be88-11e2-b537-ab47f0325f7c_story.html

Glover looked stunned when “Idol” host Ryan Seacrest announced amid a flurry of confetti that she had bested soulful 22-year-old country singer Kree Harrison from Woodville, Texas.

...

Glover’s win marks the first time a female and a nonwhite singer has won the competition since Jordin Sparks dominated the sixth season in 2007. The previous five winners — Phillip Phillips, Scotty McCreery, Lee DeWyze, Kris Allen and David Cook — were all Caucasian guitar players, known to “Idol” fans as WGWGs, or white guys with guitars.

The lack of a female champion for the past five years was mocked in a finale bit featuring the female finalists, in cahoots with Sparks, jokingly sabotaging this season’s five male contestants.

curmudgeon, Monday, 20 May 2013 15:06 (twelve years ago)


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