― Paul, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Chris, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
When I think "American Idol," I think of James Dean or Jason Bateman... someone like that.
― Andy K, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dan Perry, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― paul, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Are you trying to tell me he wasn't an AMERICAN IDOL, Dan????
How well is the smart arse simon coming over? You guys do know it OK to hate him I take it.
― Alexander Blair, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dave225, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dave225, Friday, 14 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
ts: objectivity-panic vs authenticity-panic
― mark s, Friday, 14 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Paul, Friday, 14 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Paul, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Paul, Wednesday, 19 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Paul, Tuesday, 25 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Paul, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Paul, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― tnd, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
The next round has Red in it! She's great!
― Dan Perry, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Paul, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tim DiGravina, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
DO YOU SEE!!??
― pop = evil DO YOU SEE??!!, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Paul, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Something tells me that Chris is going to get the wildcard spot. I'd love to see Angela or Tenia get it, though.
― Dan Perry, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Paul, Sunday, 14 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Paul, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Personally, I think that having an AJ, RJ and Ejay in the finals confused the public and the accidentally voted the wrong J off the show.
― Dan Perry, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Vinnie, Sunday, 21 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Paul, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
KellyTamyra (slightly off, but still a great performance)Justin (it wasn't a weak performance; it just wasn't the full-on pyrotechnic show people assume he's always going to do) RJ (Why does Simon hate him so much?)Christina (SHE IS COASTING ON HER LOOKS. I HATE HER VIBRATO. Nice weave, though!) Nikki (couldn't tell if her pitch vagaries were interpretation or nerves)AJ (MAKE HIM GO AWAY)Ryan (Oops!)
One thing I will say in Ryan's defense, though, is that it was very obvious to me that everything she did up there she did deliberately. When Paula said, "You got off from your vocal track near the end," and Ryan said in a shocked, puzzled tone of voice, "But... I changed the song..." I WAS IN HYSTERICS. Also, as much of a twunt as Simon is, at least he's giving the impression of taking the goal of the competition seriously. Paula is a fucking HORRIBLE judge because she's refusing to pass judgement.
(At the end of the day, Justin and Tamyra are still on top of the pack, but Kelly has gone WAY UP in my estimation to join them with RJ close behind.)
― Dan Perry, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
I had a dream last night. The remaining contestants were assigned Van Halen songs. AJ had to do "Panama" and obviously it was most horrible. (Ryan's meltdown made me think she had only heard VH's version of "You Really Got Me"; that p'bly had something to do with my dream being VH-related.)
Justin's confidence has turned into cockiness. Not a good thing for him but it obviously won't have any bearing on his popularity.
― Andy K, Wednesday, 24 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Paul, Thursday, 25 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Christina's getting much better. I initially loved RJ's performance, but watching it a second time was disappointing. Kelly and Tamyra are UNREAL; they both deserve contracts. Kelly espeically was nervous as hell and on the verge of passing out throughout her entire performance and still managed to fight through vocal problems and give a great performance. Tamyra is a MACHINE; wind her up and watch her be fucking amazing. Justin needs to center himself; he's got the chops but he's letting his show strategies get in the way of his performances (I for one didn't believe his woefully insincere apology for a SECOND; I spent a good five minutes applauding his tactics).
I initially thought Justin was going to mop this competition up, but now it seems that Kelly and Tamyra are the two who are most consistent and most resilient.
― Dan Perry, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Paul, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
This show is WAY BETTER than "Popstars" and "Making The Band"; there's a vested interest in seeing who ends up winning due to the national vote aspect.
― Vinnie, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Of the ones voted off, I hope an R&B exec saw Angela Peel's auditions because that girl DESERVES to get a contract. (ATTN ?UESTLOVE) AJ, Jim and Ryan should get nothing. God, how I've soured on Ryan Star! They needed to work on the distribution of their talent in the round of 30 segment; they had something like five outstanding people in the last group. Ejay I can't comment on because I didn't see the performance that led to his dismissal.
Actually, if they put together a group with Tenia, Angela, Natalie (the girl from group 1 who sang Patsy Cline) and Jazmin, I'd buy their record.
I think the marketing department would have hung themselves if Jim or Ejay had won.
― Chris, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Vinnie, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Paul, Sunday, 11 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Andy K, Sunday, 11 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Vinnie, Sunday, 11 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
I don't quite get the reaction to Tamyra's performance. I thought it was excellent, but it wasn't the best thing to ever grace television! Although, I do agree that she's at least on par with Whitney and Mariah (because neither of them can really sing anymore and Whitney's been woefully overrated for her entire career).
I want to beat Justin with a stick for working against his strengths. He should be MILKING the Maxwell angle for all it's worth.
― Dan Perry, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
A final three of Kelly, Tamyra and Nikki would be frightening, because that would mean that whatever's going on with the Nikki Groundswell has grown large enough to legitimately threaten the two superstars.
― Dan Perry, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Paul, Thursday, 15 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Paul (scifisoul), Tuesday, 20 August 2002 12:32 (twenty-three years ago)
Tamyra and Kelly are beginning to show their scars from belting everything; both of the were extremely ragged around the edges. Their first songs in particular were awful; Tamyra's take on "New Attitude" evoked images of Ryan Starr while Kelly gave a placid, no-emotion robot rendition of "It's Raining Men". By contrast, Justin's "Get Here" was AMAZING (although his "P.Y.T" debacle later on took off any points he had built up). Tamyra's second song was much better suited towards her, while Kelly would have been great had she been in voice.
So, who would have predicted that the most consistent performer of the evening would be NIKKI? She still isn't the singer the other three are, but the song choices tonight worked for her rather than against her (particularly that Melissa Etheridge song). If only she would support the ends of her phrases! I must say I like the darker red hair on her, too.
Here's my ranking of the performances:
Tamyra #2Justin #1Nikki #2Nikki #1Kelly #2Kelly #1Justin #2Tamyra #1
Anyone could be the bottom two tonight. I'm going out on a limb and saying it will be Kelly and Nikki, with Nikki going home. However, if people judge solely on last night's show, the bottom two will be Justin and Kelly with Kelly going home. (Even though Tamrya gave the worst performance of the evening, Justin gave the most embarassing and Kelly gave the most boring.)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 20:45 (twenty-three years ago)
― Paul (scifisoul), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 23:47 (twenty-three years ago)
― Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 22 August 2002 11:10 (twenty-three years ago)
I'm not too upset about Tamyra getting cut because I know that she was besieged with calls from people wanting to sign her the instant she stepped off stage, including Simon. In many ways, it's good that she's out now because she can rest up for the AI tour and someone else who needs it more (Justin, Nikki) has a shot at the guaranteed contract. (Kelly's going to get her own phone-call deluge after she loses to Nikki.)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 August 2002 12:40 (twenty-three years ago)
― Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 22 August 2002 12:54 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 August 2002 13:17 (twenty-three years ago)
― Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 22 August 2002 13:19 (twenty-three years ago)
― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 22 August 2002 13:20 (twenty-three years ago)
― Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 22 August 2002 13:22 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 August 2002 13:24 (twenty-three years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 22 August 2002 13:25 (twenty-three years ago)
― Andy K (Andy K), Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:00 (twenty-three years ago)
The fact that I had to scratch my head and wonder who the hell you were talking about perhaps sez it all.
I've idly wondered to myself why I haven't been watching this show, and I think it has something to do with the fact that its whole competitive/judging/public reaction ethos makes no sense to me at all as a listener. I don't see music as a game, I can't sense it on those levels. But it's not just that...I really don't know, the whole thing seems like this really perverse waste of time that I can't put my finger on. We normally just hear final products after having been buffed and run through the wringer. In ways, that IS all I want!
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 22 August 2002 15:09 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 August 2002 15:13 (twenty-three years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 22 August 2002 15:53 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 22 August 2002 16:01 (twenty-three years ago)
― Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 22 August 2002 16:44 (twenty-three years ago)
― Vinnie (vprabhu), Thursday, 22 August 2002 16:53 (twenty-three years ago)
― Vinnie (vprabhu), Thursday, 22 August 2002 17:00 (twenty-three years ago)
1) Vote Kelly because she's The Singer.2) Vote Justin because he can sing.3) Vote Justin because he's ethnic.4) Vote Nikki because she's redeeming herself.5) Vote Nikki as a spoiler for Kelly.6) Stop watching and voting.
How the vote distribution falls along those lines will determine who goes on and who doesn't more than the actual performances, assuming there isn't another train wreck. If Kelly doesn't get healthy, she's out next week because her core constituency will not support her if she's in bad voice. If Justin gets conceited and smug again, he's out. If Nikki... you know, at this point I have no idea what Nikki would ave to do to get kicked out of the competition at this stage, because up until this week she's been the weakest performer since AJ got kicked out, yet she's managed to stay in the competition. Maybe if she comes out and shits onstage, she'll get booted off. (No, that would just attract the coprophiliac vote. I'm telling you, she's going to win this thing.)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 August 2002 17:01 (twenty-three years ago)
Which leads me to another quick question -- exactly what have they been performing again? I think there was a mention of Whitney Houston covers somewhere along the line, and I have to admit that a prospect of a bunch of people just doing that for a show doesn't exactly warm my heart. ;-)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 22 August 2002 17:07 (twenty-three years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 22 August 2002 17:30 (twenty-three years ago)
― Vinnie (vprabhu), Thursday, 22 August 2002 17:32 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 August 2002 18:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 August 2002 18:39 (twenty-three years ago)
― Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 29 August 2002 16:51 (twenty-three years ago)
― Vinnie (vprabhu), Friday, 30 August 2002 03:01 (twenty-three years ago)
― Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 5 September 2002 15:17 (twenty-three years ago)
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 5 September 2002 15:32 (twenty-three years ago)
Didn't see this, but this battle over proper singing style sounds interesting:
http://www.nextavenue.org/blog/why-harry-connick-jr-couldnt-sit-idle-during-idol
His breaking point came when Randy Jackson implied that Connick's advice had hindered Kree’s vacuous rendition of "Stormy Weather," which none of the judges liked. He thought she should have sung it more like Etta James, as she had wanted to do. As it turned out, her rendition was neither Etta nor Lena, nor even Kree. It lacked any personality or feeling. You could see Connick about to pop his cork. That's when Keith Urban went into the audience, took Connick by the hand and brought him to the judge’s table. Taking a seat, Connick proceeded to school a very defensive Jackson in the art of singing standards. The point Connick tried to make, which Jackson didn't want to hear, was that the show’s contestants didn't know these classic songs well enough to take liberties with their melodies and lyrics. In doing so, they were murdering the music.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 6 May 2013 15:18 (twelve years ago)
I enjoyed that. Something that needed to be said, and actually had been said so much that it became a cliche and people stopped saying it, but said better than anyone had said it before, by a person who really knows what he's talking about
― huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Monday, 6 May 2013 15:20 (twelve years ago)
I know that the response of a certain camp of ILM would be something like "well why not belted-out, overly exuberant, hollow renditions of Stormy Weather with lots of melisma, you rockist?" I want that voice out of my head already, it ruins everything.
― huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Monday, 6 May 2013 15:22 (twelve years ago)
I was thinking about that, and I like that the last 2 sentences clarify this a bit because otherwise I could see folks saying yes to Etta James over Lena Horne.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 6 May 2013 15:38 (twelve years ago)
Yeah, I had that sort of drilled into me in music school I guess - it's not that you shouldn't ad lib on a song, it's that you shouldn't ad lib on it before you know the melody and harmony really well. I had a professor who made us learn lyrics to jazz standards even though we were playing them instrumentally.
― huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Monday, 6 May 2013 15:50 (twelve years ago)
i thought harry was awesome, and i'm glad the show gave him the airtime to make his case, and repeat his case, and then make it again, and then lose his head over it. it was great tv, and it was smart mentoring.
but to be fair to randy, he didn't say please sing with as much melisma as possible. he basically said you don't have to listen to everything everyone tells you to do, including harry connick jr. it's ok to be yourself. that's all. and there's something essentially true, obviously, in that.
― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 00:23 (twelve years ago)
http://www.npr.org/blogs/therecord/2013/05/06/181586182/harry-connick-idol-and-the-pop-charts-can-you-define-good-singing?sc=tw&cc=share
Ann Powers says Harry "bullied" the singers, but most of the NPR commenters disagree
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 04:46 (twelve years ago)
there might be a lot of different definitions of "good" singing, but I don't think any of them include not understanding what the song is about
― huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 05:04 (twelve years ago)
Yep. Also, Connick was forceful in his comments but I wouldn't call it bullying.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 15:58 (twelve years ago)
As a classical singer, that Ann Powers piece is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen written about singing.
Everything she says about the Connick/Holcombe interaction during the coaching is completely off, plus the commentary about Rihanna blankly performing everything the same with no sense of the words she's singing hasn't actually been true since Rated R and, regardless of whether you like the song, is a ridiculous thing to say about the performance given in "Stay". It also doesn't help that she wholesale abandons her thesis of Harry Connick Jr being a fuddy-duddy who is stuck in a rut of not recognizing the value of other approaches to a song by artificially extending it to performers who weren't on stage and weren't coached by him and then going on to celebrate the AI contestant who is the closest living embodiment of the stance Connick is taking as the best performer on the show.
― far too much asshole flesh (DJP), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 16:25 (twelve years ago)
From the Kacey Musgraves thread
Kree Harrison, a current top 4 contestant on American Idol, is best buds with Kacey, sings on her record, and is I believe the younger sister (or cousin?) of Kacey's guitarist.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, April 26, 2013 7:50 PM (1 week ago)
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 14:00 (twelve years ago)
http://www.csmonitor.com/The-Culture/TV/2013/0502/American-Idol-And-the-winner-is-Harry-Connick-Jr.-video
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 14:01 (twelve years ago)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/kree-or-candice-idol-finale-kicks-off-with-finalists-kree-harrison-and-candice-glover/2013/05/16/066c8e1a-be88-11e2-b537-ab47f0325f7c_story.html
Glover looked stunned when “Idol” host Ryan Seacrest announced amid a flurry of confetti that she had bested soulful 22-year-old country singer Kree Harrison from Woodville, Texas.
...
Glover’s win marks the first time a female and a nonwhite singer has won the competition since Jordin Sparks dominated the sixth season in 2007. The previous five winners — Phillip Phillips, Scotty McCreery, Lee DeWyze, Kris Allen and David Cook — were all Caucasian guitar players, known to “Idol” fans as WGWGs, or white guys with guitars.
The lack of a female champion for the past five years was mocked in a finale bit featuring the female finalists, in cahoots with Sparks, jokingly sabotaging this season’s five male contestants.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 20 May 2013 15:06 (twelve years ago)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/music/american-idol-winner-candice-glover-rolling-out-debut-album-in-july/2013/05/22/3b815f9a-c306-11e2-9642-a56177f1cdf7_story.html
That's quick
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 19:13 (twelve years ago)