mojo neo-prog special issue

malkmus?

starting a poll about neo-prog at 9pm on a friday seems........appropriate

you so crazy

there are some times alex moulton owns

decemberists? wha?

just, you know, reporting the debates
http://www.harpmagazine.com/articles/detail.cfm?article_id=4804

^^^^ this

xp to m@tt

this ^^^^

The centerpiece is “The Island,” a three-part, 12-minute sprawl that shifts from crunchy rock to the sound of finely picked nylon strings to twirling keyboard indulgence. It’s also the showcase for Conlee who, for the first time, got to create instrumental organ sections that exposed her lifelong love of 70’s rock dinosaurs Emerson, Lake & Palmer. “I’m a huge fan. In the past people were like, ‘Jenny don’t talk about that, it’s not cool. But now, prog rock is back in style, right?”

who decides this shit

i think there's like a record collecting mafia that meets annually to determine which parts of their collection they want to make most valuable in the coming fiscal year

"nobody's paid triple digits for a copy of Welcome Back My Friends... in ages! let's fix that"

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huh. i have only heard that "her majesty the decemberists" and it sounds like they might be giants on some pantaloon shit

i dispute a lot of this. dungen is psych to me, not prog, which has always been a big difference in my book.

battles is just the natural extension of 90s math rock stuff, hell didn't one dude used to be in helmet?

liars are way more out of the PIL/Gang of Four/blahblahblah tradition

fucked up is just a hardcore band that took acid

this whole list seems weird, trying to hard

orthrelm owns every band on this list twice over. and how in god's name you're going to list (not-that-prog) AMT but not (equally not-that-prog, but better band) Boredoms or (actually prog, and awesome) Ruins or Koenjihyakkei is madness

and now off to all night prog jamz

i forgot ween and the boredoms. fuck

^ dope post xp

trying to hard is the ultimate trying too hard

ghost is the most prog-prog of all those bands, at least the ones i've heard.

orthrelm sucks k

i thought orthrelm was metal?

rip dom, rip glen adam garcia

mastodon is metal (tho meshuggah would probably be my pick on the prog angle). orthrelm is brain hemorrhage music. in any case, now, lots of metal goes to "prog" places. psyopus is "grindcore" and harder to get my head around than anything I've ever heard by, say, genesis or yes. (imo, telling is that old prog was also kind of pop, whereas "neo prog" isn't)

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"breaking the law" is metal. mastodon is more metallica (judas priest + rush)

i have no idea what you guys are talking about

what gbx is up to, out on the town

and iron maiden's "rime of the ancient mariner"

forget it, Peter Sinfield is no Jorge Luis Borges (which is why, in the manner of fantasy authors with a similar inability to draw any conclusions from their own work, double- and triple-albums started emerging), and using him as a model for 'human complexity' strikes me as a bit flawed

whaaaaat

Very few of those bands strike me as being "prog" in any way whatsoever. I suspect a decal job of some sort "prog is what WE say it is, little people" fuck this shit (mojo magazine, that is).

this is all dumb

Opeth is pretty prog-arific. Certainly much more so than Fucked Up or Deerhoof.

If anything, this sub-trend marks a (dubious?) return of proud virtuosity to rock, but not necessarily a return to prog, per se.

nice sidebar for opeth in the steven wilson cover story, discussing how his production stint "mellowed them out"

Gentle Giant

Very few of those bands strike me as being "prog" in any way whatsoever.

this. but i'll still buy the issue because many of these bands are great anyway.

(why decemberists and not fiery furnaces, who actually do go to some pretty prog places?)

The new Decemberists record is an hour-long rock opera with reprises, motifs, vocalists "playing" different characters, and some sludgy riffs here and there. Also, it's dreadful.

Also, I am amused that Parts and Labor have now been tagged as "prog" since "noise" failed to stick.

i think i'd be into the decemberists if they didn't suck. i mean they look good on paper...

no fooling about fiery furnaces. trail of dead too, and grizzly bear now, going all procol harem with nico muhly

fiery furnaces are one of the most unfairly derided rock groups of the decade imo...they're pretty much A+ every time they make music, and they're so pure of motive...and that last album is just fucking thrilling

great live band too. eleanor remembering all those lyrics given what's going on on-stage is pretty amazing

omar rodriguez-lopez

Are his solo albums as bad as I think they are? I vote Circle anyway, although they seem to be slipping into AMT territory - too many mediocre releases, too many half thought out ideas.

I voted Liars just because I think they're the best current band on that (strange) list.

But where the fuck is Zombi?

And yeah, Orthrelm out-progs them all.

is Time Of Orchids on there? RIP, alas

I would guess that this list is all bands that are currently recording/touring, etc. There are plenty of other great ones that are defunct.

Are his solo albums as bad as I think they are?
i don't think so. i can't stand mars volta, but old money (on stones throw (!)) is pretty good

agree with Dominique - if this was a serious survey, big problem with no Boredoms, no Ruins, no Orthrelm ... but I think this is more of a "bands we want to promote that we are going to lump into an arbitrary genre to rationalize a special issue" thing.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

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lighten up, noodle vague

great album

okay, noodle vague

I'm sorry kamerad I didn't notice the "mojo" part. I just assumed it was a bullshit list of random indie suckers with no connection to prog whatsoev.

apologize no more, noodle vague

you've gotta feel for people who can't get into mirrored

the week that was? prog? it sounds more like giles giles & fripp than king crimson

it sounds more like genesis than giles giles & fripp

that explains a lot

sure does

i heard a long song off that new decemberists and frankly it sounded more like 5 indie rock songs stitched together...way more "band on the run" than "foxtrot" IMO...or the pussy version of that long song on "american idiot"

i guess to me, "prog" can involve a lot of elements but it has to to some degree involve sort of "chops" type playing. otherwise it's just psych or weird rock music.

however, zappa is very chopsy but not prog to me.

when was this issue, btw? sure not the latest?? weird that they're suddenly doing this now, if so.

(surely, I meant to say.)

M@tt, "The Island" does sound a lot like Jethro Tull to me. And "When the War Came" sounds a bit like "No Quarter". I do kind of think of The Crane Wife as chopsy. Haven't heard the new Decemberists though.

i haven't heard the crane wife, so i'm kinda talking out of my ass.

but this particular song was just like a mishmash not prog.

The new Decemberists record is an hour-long rock opera with reprises, motifs, vocalists "playing" different characters, and some sludgy riffs here and there. Also, it's dreadful.

^^^^^ this. Glad I got off this bus after the first album (which I still like)