Tha Carter III vs Da Drought 3: which is Lil Wayne's best junkie-era manifesto?

abstain

i knew i could count on you

the last lil wayne poll i did got 4 votes i believe, so i'm not holding out much hope for this one

this doesn't even really seem close to me, da drought 3 easily.

and even though it's a mixtape, it almost seems more focused as an overall piece of work to me.

i dunno like 'classic junkie-era album' doesn't sit well with me. i mean it's neither classic, nor will it epitomize raging id Wayne once Rebirth comes out.

maybe this makes me rockist or whatever the fuck but i don't really approach freestyle mixtapes like albums or even mixtapes comprised of mostly original matierla. rarely buy/download them in full or put them on EOY lists, kinda avoided this one cause i thought Dedication 2 was overrated as fuck. even though i'm sure the mixtape is more fun to listen to, and i'll jam the "Mr. Jones" and "Show Me What You Got" and "We Takin' Over" freestyles whenever they come on the radio, there's no original songs on the level of "Dr. Carter" or "Let The Beat Build" so it takes an L instantly no matter how i feel about "Lollipop."

drought 3

its like a brilliant notebook with words past the margins vs. an essay

"let the beat build" is super dope but a lot of the carter III has sort of faded out for me, even though it's good.

i'm not saying c3 is a classic, but when end of decade lists come out it's gonna be in every top 20 and a lot of top 10s i'd imagine. mostly, to me it was just my feeling that drugs helped make drought 3 a classic whereas they fucked carter III up (among some other things).

also i think there's a clear break in his career in b/w dedication 2 and drought 3

lol if tha carter iii is an essay it would probably be returned with annoyed red ink scribbles along the lines of "clearer argument needed" and "where is your structure?"

i think i agree w/the consensus - though i should go back to da drought 3 first to be sure - but i do think there's the pop culture argument to be made for tha carter iii - 'a milli', 'lollipop' etc became really important, unifying tracks last year, and that felt really good, whereas you couldn't say that about even the best on da drought 3

i'm not saying c3 is a classic, but when end of decade lists come out it's gonna be in every top 20 and a lot of top 10s i'd imagine.

i gotta disagree with this...i don't think it'll show up on end of decade lists at all. they'll all have a token Wayne pick, but it'll be one of the mixtapes (or, although this is largely wishful thinking, one of the first two Carters). it skated onto '08 lists with the help of a general lack of major rap releases, it's not gonna be on barely anyone's radar when looking at the whole past 10 years.

lol if tha carter iii is an essay it would probably be returned with annoyed red ink scribbles along the lines of "clearer argument needed" and "where is your structure?"

yeah it occurred to me it was worth pointing out that c3 was a largely incoherent essay but it was definitely printed on business size paper

idk ship you might be right, but i think i disagree especially outside of rap circles

I voted Carter, sorry guys.

carter iii will be helped by the fact that its great moments are REALLY great, and there are enough of them for most people to remember it fondly.

even lists with a minimal amount of token rap are gonna be too busy covering their Blueprint-type bases to even think about including Carter III

xpost - people are having a hard time remembering it fondly NOW

there's half an album in Carter III that is the best music of this era of wayne but I can't NOT skip a bunch of songs on it at this point

xp exactly

i think most people will remember their the carter III mp3s like that one time they got really drunk in college and someone wrote on their face with magic marker

neither of these deserve to be on end of decade lists

was waiting for POTMXII to step up and be my litmus test

i think most people will remember their the carter III mp3s like that one time they got really drunk in college and someone wrote on their face with magic marker

― d20 riot tard (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, April 3, 2009 1:57 PM

awesome

that's actually how wayne got the designs for most of his facial tattoos

"let the beat build" is the most drought 3 style song on cIII and while it's probably the best song on the album the rhymes line for line don't touch like "upgrade u" or "boom" or "walk it out" from drought 3

it's funny cuz all the obvious pop grabs on cIII are really good i think - "lolipop", "got money" and "mrs. officer" are all really good radio jams (and "comfortable" is maybe the best song on the album), it's just the album tracks like "phone home", "playing with fire" and "shoot me down" that drag c3 down, which is like the opposite of what i would've expected.

btw kanye should produce more beats like "comfortable" and "let the beat build"

yeah "Let The Beat Build" is definitely flawed as a vocal, there are a couple spots where he's just kinda mumbling and doesn't pull it together. but again i'm a rap rockist and rate almost anything with original production and a strong concept over even the best industry beat freestyle.

xpost

the end of "let the beat build" is kinda o_0 in a bad way

Kanye didn't really produce "Beat Build," he just looped up the sample and then Wayne and Deezle added drums and came up with the whole structure and theme of it. and he has a good amount of beats like "Comfortable" from like '02-'04, although it feels a little more lush and complete than most of those.

yeah i don't love any of the Carter III singles, but all my hate is reserved for the really indulgent deep cuts.

the string loop on "comfortable" is O_O

basically i just mean kanye should go back to producing songs for the summer

da drought 3 was the last rap album i got really really into

wayne kills it so thoroughly on 1/2 those beats i cant even listen to the originals anymore

i don't always buy the so-and-so owns this beat now stuff but he really did transform "Mr. Jones"

i always wanted the lead single of Tha Carter III to sound something like that

yeah highlight of the album 4 me

its taking all my strength not to start quoting it

id end up quoting the whole thing anyway

RIP april 2007 riding around eagle rock los angeles in my 97 honda blasting this shit w/ the windows down eating in-n-out

also know ill get internet murked for this but i thought his top back was better than tips

me too

im leanin like a three legged lion
on the top of the motherfuckin mountain
you'd need an accountant to count it

(or whatever it is)

yesssssssss

whole mixtape is staggering - i really hope that 33 1/3 push it onto the final list this year

whose proposal is it? hurricanes?

it's gotta be him or breihan i'd imagine

altho idk who theyd interview — i'm sure curren$y has some deep insights and great memories of wayne rambling on from the hours of 3 am -9 am while everyone shot meth into their eyeballs so they could stay awake

yeah seriously i think it's a stupid and lame idea for a book. the cult of this mixtape in the pitchfork dork brigade is so contrived. what is there to say? the guy went to the studio every day for 14 hours for a couple weeks and pumped out a bunch of verses while probably very high on drugs that's it it wasn't a cultural moment or even a very noteworthy one in the saga of lil wayne - sure it may be someof his better work form this period but so what

i wouldn't necessarily jump to assume it's Tom or Hurricane or someone kinda obvious like that -- i mean 24 writers voted for Da Drought 3 just in Pazz & Jop

true

xp to surfboards, well i think it's a pretty noteworthy one in the saga of lil wayne, and being as he's one of the biggest stars in the world you could argue it was big culturally, altho i don't think it was as big culturally as dedication 2 at all. i think it could potentially be interesting, just really hard because wayne is the worst interview ever and i can't believe that there were many ppl working on the tape

i wouldn't necessarily jump to assume it's Tom or Hurricane or someone kinda obvious like that -- i mean 24 writers voted for Da Drought 3 just in Pazz & Jop

― I wanna change your name to mrs. smash (some dude), Friday, April 3, 2009 3:51 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

is it YOU??!?!?!?!?!

outside of the internet Da Drought 3 is just a lil wayne mixtape that not many people have even heard of

and i agree dedication to is a bigger moment (maybe not better mixtape though)

i mean Dedication 2

outside of the internet Da Drought 3 is just a lil wayne mixtape that not many people have even heard of

― crab ringgoon (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Friday, April 3, 2009 3:56 PM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

outside of the internet very few people listen to rap

And outside this Internet there's no one alive
Outside this Internet how does anyone survive?

not that many people have heard of his individual mixtapes in general -- Dedication 2 got on the radar of some magazines back when people were really into pretending DJ Drama was some kind of genius. but for the most part there are just millions of kids who know all the mixtape songs, know they're from mixtapes, but probably don't have a copy of any volume of Dedication or Drought sitting in their house.

xpost

yeah

i can't even choose sides here. they're about equal, neither is the best thing he's done in three years

@ matt: "i called my ex-girlfriend TWENTY THREE times last night!"

basically here's what i think:

dd3 = weezy at his idiot savanty bext essentially a capstone to his crazzzzy mixtape free-association run

c3 = pop consession where he lets himself be lazy cuz now ppl are playing him back for all the for-free shit he put out there

oh my god, my spelling is horrible. blame it on a long week.

anyway c3 is lazy-if-occasionally fascinating pop statement.

i dunno if i prefer one over the other, which is frustrating, and frankly the only weezy shit i can put on (almost) from start to finish without skipping anything is hottest nigga under the sun mixtape from this year.

the only weezy shit i can put on (almost) from start to finish without skipping anything is hottest nigga under the sun mixtape from this year.

Really, dude?

J0rdan, fwiw, none of the four 33 1/3s i've read have contained interviews with the artists.

Voted Drought for not being 50% noodly bullshit.

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So many votes!!!!!!!

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