Best Non Ozzy/Dio Black Sabbath Studio Album

born again, duh

this should be a shutout.

you never know with ilx.

you can bet there's Tony Martin fans on ILM.

Born Again will take 100% of these because it's indisputably the best one. And I own all of the above.

There are great riffs on those other albums, but not really any whole great songs IMO. It's too bad.

Fancy a Born Again live tour reformation? ;)
They could do Reading Festival for old times sake!

This is now the top Google hit for "duh". I had to go look on my CD shelf to prove to myself that I'd even heard of Cross Purposes and Forbidden before, but sure enough, there they are.

The Tony Martin albums have their moments...I'm not a huge fan of that era, but it would make for a good compilation.

I've never heard any of these albums - am interested cos the AMG review of Born Again completely trashes it - "dreadful", "one of heavy metal's all-time greatest disappointments" etc - in stark contradiction to this thread!

Or are the other albums just even worse?

No, Born Again is actually a great album. The rest are crap. You can disregard allmusic in this instance.

BORN 'GAIN

THE GROUND WAS IN MY SKYYYYYY

Running same poll over on http://www.foreverdoomed.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=9617&start=0 if you want to compare.

Born Again looks like running away with it there too.

That allmusic review is garbage. 100% wrong.

AMG is right about Born Again's production, however. It's a testament to how good the music is that it transcends the mix. The 1996 remaster helped a little, but not as much as you'd hope.

Oh, and the cover is awful, so that's another thing AMG is right about. 80% wrong at most, then.

haa I think the cover is kind of awesome (i don't think i've heard anything off this other than "Trashed")

again recommending the born again demos, incomplete but the sound quality is SO MUCH BETTER than the album.

hey dudes check it:

looks like all the "unmixed demos" are here

Forget Dio - Born Again's my favourite post-Ozzy rec, period.

the demo version of "zero the hero" is great

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results over on Forever Doomed so far are

Best Non Ozzy/Dio Black Sabbath Studio Album?

Born Again (1983) 63% 63% [ 20 ]
Seventh Star (1986) 0% 0% [ 0 ]
The Eternal Idol (1987) 19% 19% [ 6 ]
Headless Cross (1989) 13% 13% [ 4 ]
Tyr (1992) 6% 6% [ 2 ]
Cross Purposes (1994) 0% 0% [ 0 ]
Forbidden (1995) 0% 0% [ 0 ]

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ok you guys were right, a runaway winner.

... who voted for the other albums?

Born Again might have fared better with a better mix as Trashed and Zero the Hero are pretty good tunes.

fared better? it walked it!

Anyone want to defend the album cover?
http://www.musica320.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/born.jpg

I assume that's a no? Not even Scott?

The cover's pretty awful. I think Sabbath's best cover was either Sabbath Bloody Sabbath or Mob Rules. They also had some howlers like Paranoid, Sabotage and the one with Ice-T.

Headless Cross Tour Cancelled
Former members of Black Sabbath, Tony Martin, Geoff Nichols and the Headless Cross Tour will cancel in the USA and Canada.

(PRWEB) July 11, 2009 -- Due to personal and creative differences, Shakers Management Group truly regrets to say that the Headless Cross Tour will be cancelled. All ticket refunds will be handled by the venues.

All parties involved express their deep sadness that we couldn't come to terms and we wish to apologize to all the fans and venues for any inconvenience this may have caused.

i love headless cross

the results here are kind of right but i'd like to also "in for the kill" from seventh star is an extremely awesome song

lol "like to also," sounds right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78YRHNQSR2s

this song is so incredibly sick

yes

both top two vote getters here are indisputably the best of this lot, and I like Born Again as much or more than the two Dio albums. The others I don't remember a single thing about, I must have heard them butprobably only once.

the AMG review of Born Again is so incredibly wrong and off base it's like it comes from another universe.

Sorry but dio is not in the same league as Ozzy

yeah, he can sing

Just listened to Headless Cross for the first time ever. It's great...! I don't know much about metal in the '80s, but I like late '80s Swans and late '80s Jethro Tull and Headless Cross feels like the epic gloom of that era of Swans meeting the unabashed gnarly-guitar sorta-prog of that era of Tull... plus these soaring, breathy vocals about Satan and other creatures of the night. Too good

Love this record. If you like it, the follow-up, Tyr, is definitely worth hearing, too

"Headless Cross" video is also an amazing time capsule if you haven't had the pleasure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwEWf3RXseg

Three songs into The Eternal Idol. This slays!

Maybe Tony Iommi can simply do no wrong? This dread-soaked guitar tone, these unstoppably catchy riffs, song after song after song... it's like they bring out the best in whoever happens to be singing along. (A theory that could potentially be debunked with a single listen to that superstar-guests Iommi solo album... or else proven)

I don't even particularly like operatic metal / hard rock vocals, yet here I am hanging on every Tony Martin scream to the heavens!

Tony Martin's the coolest.

Only Sab vocalist I don't really love is Glenn Hughes