Taking sides : Zeppelin or Sabbath

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I'd better chill out. I'm getting tired of these heavy threads so heres another 'heavy' thread-boom boom- My housemate keeps telling me that Led Zeppelin's 'Houses of the holy' is the best album ever. I keep telling him Sabbath kick their arse. What d'you think?

― Michael Bourke, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh dear, this could get messy.

Sabbath.

― Tom, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

So Tuesday is Taking Sides day from now on? Damn I was planning to submit a T.S.: Isn't Anything vs. Loveless but I'll keep that one for a quite day. Anyway. Sabbath in the end. Because they indeed kicked arse. Mmm although for every 'Supernaut' there is a 'Kashmir' for every Iron Man riff there is a 'No Quarter' riff. And for every shit Sabbath song there is Yea-let's-storm-the-gates-of-Mordor Zepfest. Okay so Ozzy just had a bit less irritating voice than Planty and Sabbath weren't so hung up on the blooze. So Black Sabbath, bless 'em.

― Omar, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sabbath = prolegomena

Zep = sequel (tho not to Sabbath)

― mark s, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

As I said on the Led Zeppelin COD, give me Sabbath anyday. Early Sabbath is simply unmatchable: there's just something so cold, black and *elegant* (there's a word people don't usually associate with Ozzy) about their sound. Led Zeppelin had too much hippy wibbling going on for their music to have ever really said anything to me.

I think where Led Zeppelin has the advantage is that they split up before they got too old and sad, whereas Sabbath have reunion tours, etc. constantly.

― Nicole, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Black Sabbath, ov course. When Zep got all acoustic, it was horrible. When the Sabs got acoustic, it could be quite unsettling.

Or, put another way: (MaKeZ "DeViLZ HeaD" SiGN W/HaND)

Yoo LaY/|\uR!!! iZ|\|T !T oB\/!0uS!!!!!

ZeP = sux0r, /<-L4M3

SaBZ = rox0r, /<-r/-\D!CaL

er, sorry, don't know what came over me there...

x0x0

― NoRMaN FaY, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

WHo is You BuYiNG YouR SHiToFF NoRMaN ????

― Geordie Racer, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sort've a moot comparison, I'd say. Sure, they're both heavy and hirsute (with tenuous connections to Satan...ironically more so Zep then the Sabs), but it ends there. One could assuredly argue that Zep was a much more versatile outfit, but for pure persistence of mission, that Sabbath occaissionally made them sound as menacing as the Fixx. But then again, it wasn't always Zep's intention to be harbingers of doom. While Sabbath would never be happy be tagged as monochromatic, in the face of the far-reaching catalogue of Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath are a bit of a one-trick-pony. Still...apples & oranges. They're both fruit, but it ends there.

― alex in nyc, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sabbath. But, I listen to neither anymore.

― , Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's a close call, but Led Zep sneak it on points. As someone said earlier, their acoustic stuff is dire, and I can do without the mystical crap, but when hit a swingin' funky groove (Good Times, Bad Times, Travellin' Riverside Blues, Bring it on Home), they're unbeatable.

The IDEA of the Sabs - four working class beer swillin' brummies laying down the devil's heaviest riffs - is better than their actual music IMHO. Points for the line "I finished with my woman, 'cos she couldn't help me with my mind", though

― Dr. C, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'd go with early Sabbath or post ZOSO (later) Zeppelin. Jimmy Page stopped being such a ripoff artist in the later days and layed down some brilliant shit. If I had to choose between those two, I'd probablly take the Zep.

― Tim Baier, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I listen to Sabbath a lot more these days -- in fact I haven't listened to any Zeppelin at all in years, while recently I was relistening to _Sabotage_ on an almost daily basis. About says it all right there.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

As I said in the earlier thread about Zep classic or dud (an early ILM classic, I might add), Zep takes this one in a big way because of Bonham. That bassheavy groove is what it's all about. Plus they had so much more range, and could get very pop when so inclined.

― Mark, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Zep win for "Trampled Under Foot."

(Dunno if it's burnout or just, y'know, bad taste, but I'm in that rare bracket of prefering solo Ozzy - Randy Rhodes/Jake E. Lee eras - to his time w/ Sabbath.)

― AP, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've never really got Led Zeppelin. My irritation at Robert Plant's screechy voice prevents me from engaging with the music when he's singing, and their accoustic bits fail the goblin test in a major way. So I suppose it's Sabbath by default.

― Richard Tunnicliffe, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Slight Sabbath diversion:

My parents came very close to buying a house from Sabbath in 1981. It was on the top of the hill in Herefordshire and it had the musical notation for "Paranoia" spelt out in wrought iron on the front gates. Inside most of it was surprisingly ordinary but I do remember a bedroom with an airbrushed satanic mural. I wanted this room so badly that I immediately rushed down to the local heavy metal shop to get a copy of ‘Paranoia’. This record shop in Worcester was for me the key metal experience… the sickly smell of patchouli oil, black letter forms, matt black paint, black leather. I peered around in the gloom and eventually found a copy (I didn’t dare ask the assistant for help). I bought it on tape because I didn’t have a record player I my room and for two weeks I went to sleep listening to Sabbath on headphones, and tuning in to Tommy Vance on Fridays. When my parents didn’t buy the house I sold the album to the heavy metal secondhand stall and a month or two later I started listening to Peel as I fell asleep and that was the end of my Heavy Metal phase.

― Guy, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i've grown to like sabbath. in fact, i just made my co-workers sit through the first side of _paranoid_. but to not say zeppelin would be to deny a good five years of my life. zeppelin.

― sundar subramanian, Saturday, 28 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one more vote for Zeppelin. they brought out old-fashioned blues in their tunes. Sabbath just became sad after their one good record (Paranoid).

― SleepTillItHurts, Thursday, 10 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Definitely Sabbath, no question about it. For better or worse, metal (and even hardcore and goth) as they evolved would not have been possible without Sabbath.

Zeppelin was sui generis and fine as far as they go, but the early stuff's got too much hippie wank. Though the first record of Physical Graffiti is one of the greatest funk albums ever recorded, and Presence and In Through the Out Door would do studio hobbits like Brian Wilson, Kevin Shields, and Dr. Dre proud.

― Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 22 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

six months pass...

This is madness. Two words: Physical Grafitti. An album BS could never had made. Don't get me wrong, I used to like BS... WHEN I WAS FRIGGIN' FOURTEEN!!! Time for everyone to grow up here, put away those black concert T's... Zep recorded some of the best blues rock ever: "Since I've Been Loving You", "In My Time of Dying". Their rhythm section was infinitely superior, (as was their guitarist and vocalist, for that matter...). I guaran-fuckin-tee ya in 50 years Zep will still be played, while BS will just be an amusing footnote, an adolescent guilty pleasure.

― karmik guy, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

lord karmik is surely correct for observe, his name proves he has mystical powers beyond our ken

led zep = layered stuido-pop written played by bubblegum session musicians, sung by a hobbit muthafucka; sabbath = rewrite of laws of music hurrah (with silliness thinly smeared on top to confuse fools)

― mark s, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Whatever one thinks of "Dazed and Confused" or "Stairway to Heaven," (to pick two really famous tracks) surely they are something other than just "layered studio pop?" I mean, bowed guitars ("bubblegum session musicians?" That's all?) and all. How much studio is even there in the former?

I'm not sure what everyone has against Zeppelin's acoustic songs. "That's the Way" has some of the most beautiful guitar melodies ever. And anyone who says the last couple LZ albums are their best is being perverse.

― sundar subramanian, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i was being cheeky sundar: but Led Zep's vast success is DIRECTLY related to studio tricks and gimmick strategies JP & JPJ learn as sessionmen working for the likes of Mickie Most and other pop-studio machinery bods. This is NOT A BAD THING: I heart pop as you know, and also I heart Zep. But Sabbath are one of the four eurohorsemen in modern whatever: (=beatles/stones/k'werk and the sabs). Four words: END OF STORY HA!

― mark s, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I guessed you were being cheeky and I appreciated the humour. But I didn't really see the point you were making. The difference between "Stairway to Heaven" and "Sunshine of Your Love" (or whatever other antecedent you choose) seems as substantial to me as the difference between "Iron Man" and "Sunshine" (or whatever). Why should Sabbath be placed in this elite class of radicals and not Cream or Yes or Crimson? (I'm guessing that Hendrix, Dylan, or the Velvets don't count because they're Americans. Were the Byrds American?)

― sundar subramanian, Wednesday, 28 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"Were the Byrds American?"

― mark s, Wednesday, 28 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Snob.

― sundar subramanian, Wednesday, 28 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

four weeks pass...

Obviously Zep. It's an easy thing to answer. All of Led Zeppelin's are geniouses. John Bonham was one of the best drummers (with Keith Moon), John Paul Jones was a session musician and played a million instruments, Robert Plant a good composer (Stairway to Heaven, The Battle of evermore) and a great voice, and well..................JIMMY PAGEthe best guitar player with Hendrix. Hear the solo in the Lemmon song and you'll know Jimmie is Iomi's daddie. Ozzie Osbourne is a wancker....a scumbug. Tonny Iomi is a fine axe player but is nothing compared with Jimmie. They have a few good things: NIB, Paranoid, War Pigs; and Iron Man. But.....that's all. Led Zeppelin involved different styles to their songs. The rain Song is a great ballad, Communication Breakdown, Babe I'm gonna leave, Over the hills and far away, D'yer mak'er, Gallows Pole, etc. are different between them and not so monothematic as sabbath. In albums Zep's Led Zeppelin II is unbeatable by any of Sabbath's. Sorry....Led Zeppelin WINS and Ozzie Osbourne is a looser.

― daniel alvarado, Thursday, 27 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

it's buddy bradley!

― ethan, Thursday, 27 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...

Me no can spezllz
OzzIe howx me gon no hoo be da bez ?

― daniel alvarado ?, Saturday, 1 February 2003 05:28 (twenty-two years ago)

ZEPPELIN.

All of Black Sabbath vs. "Rock And Roll"
winner: Led Zeppelin

the winner still has enough energy to run through "Gallows Pole" while Sabbath does a 0:28 acousti-jingle and fires Ozzy.

This is not to say I don't enjoy Black Sabbath but picking them over Zep for me would be like choosing a steak over a steak with french fries and an ice cream sundae for desert (don't eat the parsley though, that's just for show).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 1 February 2003 19:27 (twenty-two years ago)

But what if it's really really amazing steak?

― ejad (daje), Saturday, 1 February 2003 19:36 (twenty-two years ago)

hahaha exactly, what if it's ostrich steak cooked to f'in perfection! anyway i find what mark s was saying about sab vs LZ EERILY similar to what i was saying about creedence vs stones the other day..... the hive mind at work or just plagiarism??

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 1 February 2003 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

But what if it's really really amazing steak?

Sabbath -- best steakhouse in five states
Zeppelin -- Sizzler

;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 1 February 2003 22:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Black Sabbath are always bummed out, Led Zep have fun sometimes. Well, I suppose there is "Fairies Wear Boots"...

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 1 February 2003 23:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Can't say I'm a metal fan, but I do have and play Paranoid, so Sabbath by a long way.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 2 February 2003 12:24 (twenty-two years ago)

tracer i am yr queen

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 2 February 2003 12:32 (twenty-two years ago)

budgie

― forbidden or obsolete (24 hour troubleshooter), Sunday, 2 February 2003 13:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I think I find Sabbath interesting more than I actually enjoy them.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 2 February 2003 16:11 (twenty-two years ago)

take more quaaludes maan

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 2 February 2003 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)

apt analogy, Ned. Cuz when you're sick of steak Sizzler still has a giant buffet for ya. Sab's Steakhouse is T-bone, nuthin' but.

And why isn't anybody acknowledging that Sab's Steakhouse went under several different managment teams?

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 2 February 2003 23:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't eat steak so I missed all that.

I only have Paranoid. It's good in its way but I dunno. All these reasons people give against Zeppelin - the acoustic tracks, the voice, 'hippie wank' - are a big part of why I'd give it to them. (I actually don't know that Ozzy's voice added all that much while Plant was great. And the lyrics suck.) Layered studio guitar pop = greatest music ever anyway. If it was just "Dancing Days" vs all the Sabbath I've listened to, I think I'd still hand it to Zeppelin. The versatility thing goes a long way. And influencing "More Than a Feeling" honestly means more to me than influencing every thrash and death metal band ever.

Though I wonder if Purple would actually deserve this if I knew them better. They were probably the best musicians of the bunch.

(LZ's faults: their jams sucked, the first two albums are stupidly sloppy, the third and PG are hit-and-miss, Houses actually feels bloated and excessive and campy and all the things prog is supposed to be, I couldn't be bothered with Presence beyond "Achilles' Last Stand", the chest-thumping machismo and misogyny esp in earlier stuff which is probably better anyway can get in the way if I'm not in the mood, why did it seem logical to mix boozy blues-rock with medieval prog tracks?, now that I've seen a LOTR movie some of those songs seem a little less mysterious and evil.)

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 3 February 2003 00:03 (twenty-two years ago)

*bows to Sundar*

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 3 February 2003 00:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Sab's Steakhouse is T-bone, nuthin' but.

"Changes" is not "War Pigs" is not most of the second side of Sabotage -- the underrating of early Sabbath's versatility is getting frustrating here.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 February 2003 00:57 (twenty-two years ago)

damn, frickin' Saboids always gotta bring up Sabotage (tempting to call it Sab's best album).

Don't forget Technical Ecstacy.

Most of Sab's diverse moments I've heard were either rather trivial, extremely short or straight out sucked. Led on the other hand...

Kashmir vs. Supertzar.

Let's just put it that way.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 3 February 2003 01:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't see the conflict. They're both great! :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 February 2003 01:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Sabbath. When they were in their prime their sound was monolithic. People forget the "sludge" of Sabbath.Ward and Butler were just right for each other. The physical rumble that they produced is astounding. Yeah, Ozzy is a clown. But forget about that. Just listen to the music on its own. I like the first album a lot. Very dark. Atmospheric. I'll throw this out there too, the Wizard...one of their best songs. Better then any Blues song Zep aped.

― Juan (Juan), Monday, 3 February 2003 01:25 (twenty-two years ago)

six months pass...

the reason black sabbath wernt so hung up about booze was because they were preoccupied with other things like lsd and cocaine

― shane, Saturday, 30 August 2003 03:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Dave Q to thread. Again!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 30 August 2003 03:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Definitely Sabbath. Butler/Ward were a better rhythm section than Jones/Bonham—that's right, I said it! Listen to Disc One of Past Lives, which frankly should have gotten the lavish Voice essay treatment that recent Zep-live bloatfest got. I listened to that thing twice through and sold it. The only Zeppelin CD I own is Physical Graffiti, and while it's got its moments, I have remastered CDs of the first eight Sabbath albums (came in a really great box, in mini-LP sleeves, and I found it dirt cheap on eBay), and Past Lives, and not a month goes by that I don't drag out Paranoid or especially Vol. 4, which is one of the greatest hard rock albums ever made. Nothing Led Zeppelin ever did can touch "Supernaut" or "Snowblind" or "Wheels Of Confusion/The Straightener." Sabbath all the way. Hell, they were even pretty great through the Dio years.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 30 August 2003 12:30 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...

these 2 bands really aren't AT ALL similar, you know.

and i'm beginning to reconsider my vote fer sabbath b/c THEY DID NOT HAVE THE FUNK ... while zeppelin DID.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 28 October 2004 04:13 (twenty years ago)

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I was SO wrong up thread. Obviously Sabbath walk this. I have Supernaut on right now - sublime : Iommi's brutal attack, Geezer's bass rumbling like a hundred panzers rolling over the Maginot line and the drums! the drums! Wasn't Bill Ward great? Disco hi-hats, deranged all-out flaying and jazzy breaks all in one track. Leaves Bonham for dead.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Sunday, 2 January 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

You make me want to put it on right now.

Eisbar's right - Sabb weren't stupid, they were unconstrained by musicianly ideas of how to play the blues properly, and therefore were more free to push into more extreme territory. After all, what has Gothic horror got to do with good manners and paying one's dues?

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Sunday, 2 January 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

-- sabbath hired rick wakeman for an album. does that change yer mind a little bit wr2 them, ned?

Hey, so did Bowie. Sometimes all that's needed is the right context.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 2 January 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

Tough call. I'm going to call it a draw.

― Triple Ho, Sunday, 2 January 2005 22:19 (twenty years ago)

five years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThU9BOWcmjM&

― Moka, Tuesday, 28 September 2010 23:09 (fourteen years ago)

That's pretty damn great. Thanks!

― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 28 September 2010 23:27 (fourteen years ago)

AAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Is that Led Sabbath or Black Zeppelin?

― spazzercise (staggerlee), Thursday, 30 September 2010 03:30 (fourteen years ago)

Bled Sablin

― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 30 September 2010 13:04 (fourteen years ago)

Karmik guy making an utter fool of himself earlier in the thread.

― Zeppelin to Howlin Wolf: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Thursday, 30 September 2010 14:18 (fourteen years ago)

I don't give a shit about values and representation, Zeppelin are just better. I don't care if they worship trees, what difference does that make?

― Party with Your Poodle (u s steel), Thursday, 30 September 2010 14:19 (fourteen years ago)

Sabbath, easy

― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Thursday, 30 September 2010 14:45 (fourteen years ago)

I COULD TALK SHIT ABOUT LED ZAPPELIN THAT AINT GANA GET NO WERE...........

― MYER, Saturday, January 1, 2005 10:16 PM Bookmark

OTM

― adamirl (Hurting 2), Thursday, 30 September 2010 14:50 (fourteen years ago)

Sabbath for the first four, Zep for the second four. Dio Sabbath better than Jimmy Page's solo career, Plant solo career better than post-Dio Sabbath. Total is a wash as both were excellent.

― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 30 September 2010 14:51 (fourteen years ago)

I don't give a shit about values and representation, Zeppelin are just better. I don't care if they worship trees, what difference does that make?

― Party with Your Poodle (u s steel), Thursday, September 30, 2010 10:19 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

A finely tuned argument-well presented- but completely wrong.

― Zeppelin to Howlin Wolf: "Suck It" (Bill Magill), Thursday, 30 September 2010 16:00 (fourteen years ago)

Duh.

― Nate Carson, Thursday, 30 September 2010 16:01 (fourteen years ago)

Kind of like your display name?

― adamirl (Hurting 2), Thursday, 30 September 2010 16:01 (fourteen years ago)

four months pass...

Why choose?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThU9BOWcmjM&feature=player_embedded

― earlnash, Sunday, 20 February 2011 03:15 (fourteen years ago)

Sabbath invented something. Zeppelin was great but not as innovative or influential.

Plus I listen to Sabbath a lot more.

― NYCNative, Sunday, 20 February 2011 04:45 (fourteen years ago)

five years pass...

Everyday just comes and goes
Life is one big overdose

― calstars, Sunday, 27 November 2016 22:05 (eight years ago)

three years pass...

This taking sides are playing across on about five threads lol. Giving it all a proper listen. Sabbath (from the first 3 albs) seems like a better band, or attempting stranger things. Zep (from Physical Graffiti on my phone speakers) leave their base player hanging a bit?

Sabbath are a lot better when acoustic or not doing the shit they are known for.

Anyway the answer is Beefheart.

― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 10:04 (four years ago)

one year passes...

Chiming in from the Sabbath C/D thread.

For me, it comes down to this. Sabbath had an astonishingly good run for five, arguably six albums, inventing an entire style of music in the process. However, most of what they have done since then has been pretty much crap, as the band more or less imploded thanks to their own prodigious drug use and in-fighting.

Zeppelin, meanwhile, has not a single bad or even marginal album in its discography, which stands up as well as any other band's in history. Their range was significantly broader than Sabbath's, and individually each member was more talented than his counterpart in Sabbath. And to their credit, the surviving members knew when to hang it up.

Advantage, Zeppelin.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Sunday, 1 May 2022 21:38 (three years ago)

I like imagining sabbath with bonham

― calstars, Sunday, 1 May 2022 21:55 (three years ago)

Sabbath had an astonishingly good run for five, arguably six albums

I'd probably take Never Say Die over most of In Through the Out Door. But overall Zeppelin have a much more mythic "presence" for me, possibly because I heard them 20 years before Sabbath.

― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 1 May 2022 22:11 (three years ago)

I can take or leave Never Say Die. Ozzy is only halfway there. The best part of it is the album art. I certainly wouldn't put it anywhere near In Through the Out Door.

IIRC, the tour forNever Say Die was the one where Sabbath invited Van Halen to be the opener--much to their regret.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Sunday, 1 May 2022 22:16 (three years ago)

individually each member was more talented than his counterpart in Sabbath

OK, but Bill Ward sang and wrote songs, which Bonham didn't, and Geezer Butler is arguably a better lyricist than Plant.

― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 1 May 2022 23:33 (three years ago)

I think Bonham and Ward--as drummers--are the closest matchup. Not sure I'd agree about Geezer being a better lyricist than Plant; he surely wasn't a better lyricist than Jones.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Sunday, 1 May 2022 23:39 (three years ago)

_individually each member was more talented than his counterpart in Sabbath_

OK, but Bill Ward sang and wrote songs, which Bonham didn't, and Geezer Butler is arguably a better lyricist than Plant.

Right because drummers are supposed to write songs

― calstars, Sunday, 1 May 2022 23:58 (three years ago)

If they're as worthy as "Swinging the Chain", why not?

― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 2 May 2022 00:10 (three years ago)

Lol
You don’t play an instrument do you

― calstars, Monday, 2 May 2022 00:17 (three years ago)

wait is jimbeaux a much more personable bill magill

. . .

that's cool

― mookieproof, Monday, 2 May 2022 00:29 (three years ago)

calstars just fyi you are being an asshole again

― mookieproof, Monday, 2 May 2022 00:33 (three years ago)

Bill would never ever take Sabbath over Zep

― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Monday, 2 May 2022 00:46 (three years ago)

ah shit.

I meant the exactly opposite

― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Monday, 2 May 2022 00:47 (three years ago)

Lol sorry 🤔😆

― calstars, Monday, 2 May 2022 00:49 (three years ago)

Still curious if halfway has -any experience playing music

― calstars, Monday, 2 May 2022 00:51 (three years ago)

I do, even in bands, and I don't understand this insistence that musicians stay in their lane. Like Don Henley is a mediocre drummer who also sings and writes, but the singing and writing doesn't make him a worse drummer than he already is.
I may also be influenced by Martin Popoff's reviews of Bill Ward's solo records (which I haven't heard) to the effect that he is only member of Sabbath still guided by his muse and pushing his artistic frontiers, etc.

― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 2 May 2022 01:36 (three years ago)

But taking a new approach to the thread question:

Funniest Zeppelin tune: "The Crunge"
Funniest Sabbath tune: "Blow On a Jug"

OK, Sabbath wins hands down.

― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 2 May 2022 01:39 (three years ago)

Bill Magill is an OK name.

Don't get me wrong, I love both bands. But, gun to my head, I'll take Zeppelin.

My musician son and I have an ongoing debate: Tony Iommi vs. Dimebag Darrell. I"m on Team Iommi.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 2 May 2022 13:36 (three years ago)

Right because drummers are supposed to write songs

Neil Peart to thread

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 00:34 (three years ago)

I definitely don't think the Dio albums (aka Geezer and the Italians per Oz) are crap.

― earlnash, Tuesday, 3 May 2022 01:32 (three years ago)

I remember buying Heaven and Hell when it came out. I was very pleasantly surprised. It still holds up OK. Mob Rules is forgettable other than the title track. The rest . . . meh. 13 was surprisingly good, if only because it sounds like a Sabbath album, albeit a very tired one.

To his credit, Dio, unlike, say, Sammy Hagar, did not try to overshadow or denigrate his predecessor. He seemed like a solid dude and a really good singer. I saw him with his own band once at the state fairgrounds and it was a decent show. At least they didn't open for a puppet show.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 01:38 (three years ago)

Great Sabbath albums:

s/t
Paranoid
Master of Reality
Vol. 4
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
Sabotage
Heaven and Hell
Mob Rules
The Devil You Know

Great Led Zeppelin albums:
II
IV
Disc 1 of Physical Graffiti

― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 01:46 (three years ago)

Good lord

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 01:47 (three years ago)

yeah gun to my head it’s prob Zep, even if I kind of overdid it with them in hs & college

― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 02:04 (three years ago)

two years pass...

In the new vol 4 doc on YT there’s mention of bonzo hanging with BS and maybe sitting in on supernaut…the stuff of dreams

― calstars, Friday, 25 April 2025 23:02 (two months ago)

it's bonkers to suggest that the instrument-playing members of Sabbath come anywhere close in ability lol

― encino morricone (majorairbro), Saturday, 26 April 2025 02:41 (two months ago)

Explain

― calstars, Saturday, 26 April 2025 02:47 (two months ago)

Page is better than Tony
Bonzo is better than Bill Ward
JPJ is a better musician than anyone in either band

Plant vs Ozzy.... a case either way could be made down to personal taste.

― encino morricone (majorairbro), Saturday, 26 April 2025 02:54 (two months ago)

Killing yourself to live vs for your your life

― calstars, Saturday, 26 April 2025 03:03 (two months ago)

Careful, this is like saying Bill Magill x3.

― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Saturday, 26 April 2025 11:35 (two months ago)

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