Vivian Girls @ Empty Bottle 5/6/09

Does anyone have an audio recording of this show?

the whole show is on YouTube. Can't vouch for the quality...

dammit.

soundboard^^^

even looks like Darger artwork!

snark snark snark snark

http://br.geocities.com/josespj/imagens/snorks.jpg

why do people hate this band again? (asking for real, i haven't really heard them)

they're not that good.

but out of all the not that good bands ... is there something especially not good?

Vivian Girls are a great band. I think it's def sexist that bullshit like Wavves gets a pass and the V-Girls have to put up with so much internet nonsense.

hahah wavves are even more embarassing than the vivian girls, get real dude

Wavves seems next on the chopping block! I think both bands are decent, but got hyped beyond their value. In no way better than Cheap Time or Thee Oh Sees or other more punky bands doing the wall-of-echo thing.

btw my dislike of the vivian girls has a little bit to do with knowing them in passing in real life and finding their personalities somewhat grating.
i still will admit to liking the first single, but in my honest opinion their LP is really boring, "Wild Eyes" aside.

confused @ wavves "getting a pass"

wavves is one of those ipod guys right?

Wavves doesn't have people on Brooklyn Vegan posting bullshit like this

Vivian Girl,

Your band is getting hype not because it has talent--the music is just not great--but because, in large part, two of the members are very good looking. Your recent surge in popularity owes something to Brooklyn Vegan too. Your complaint reminds me of the phrase "biting the hand that feeds you." I understand that you are now in a position where what you say and do is being noticed--although in the small, small world of the underground music scene in New York--but asking a music blog to discontinue its coverage of your band is immature, short sighted, and, quite frankly, fascist. To conclude, enjoy the hype while it lasts--and it won't last long--and enjoy your youthful good looks and fancy haircuts while they last too.

or

i'd still hit it even though she's a bitch

uh, so what you're trying to say is, indie-pop/diy punk scene in being sexist shocker?

i like to imagine that Brooklyn Vegan is actually just one person's elaborate piece of ongoing performance art. Alas, it is not so.

LOL im home sick with vivian girls and wavves records next to me in my listening pile

xpost to ian

yes, i said that quite explicitly upthread actually

i dont understand either backlash

the backlash cycle is kind of incredibly fast these days! i haven't heard either of these bands yet ...

maybe the solution is to not read brooklyn vegan

the solution to what?

the backlash cycle is kind of incredibly fast these days! i haven't heard either of these bands yet ...

That's true, but it also means the counter-backlash (where the band is cool again) comes around faster, too. After that, all overheated reactions -- positive and negative -- tend to settle down.

i dont understand either backlash

yeah me neither, I fuck w/ all this stuff

wavves lp wasn't as good as I hoped but So Bored off the new one (which I haven't heard yet) is sweeet

the solution to a lot of things, "tylerw"

vivian girls are better than wavves but i mean dying instantly is probably a little better than burning to death

i mean, its no excuse, but the VG sexist backlash is at least understandable -- the wavves one is really weird. theyre not my favorite or anything, but it seems weird for everyone to get so upset (primarily on termbo i guess, which may explain something) about a band because theyre overhyped (but UH theyre NOT! like under 5000 people have ever heard them (him) i bet!) or something. im calling anti-california-ism. and thats not cool.

whoa kevin k zingin!

i don't mind either vivian girls or wavves, but they were pretty much listen-once-and-shrug experiences for me. i don't understand either one getting more attention than times new viking or eat skull.

xp tipsy: I think all four bands you mention are in the same league ... I think they're ok, but not incredible.

The Wavves album has its moments but when I saw them/him live the main dude seemed a bit like a minor character in a Mike Judge cartoon

FWIW, I know that Wavves first European tour was booked before he'd ever played a single show. Stuff like that creates heavy backlash vibes.

I think all four bands you mention are in the same league

no accountin' fr taste. tnv are one of my favorite bands of the last few years. eat skull i really like. vivian girls and wavves seem just ok.

i actually didnt dislike the viv girls record (if you can even call a 20 minute thing which is essentially a demo tape a "record") the first time i heard it, and dug "where do you run to". i liked it less and less the next couple times i listened though, and never really wanted to go back to it. wavves give me this really negative visceral reaction that i cant really describe but that i've only ever felt when listening to one other band in the last few years - fleet foxes

The Oh Sees >>> Vivian Girls >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Times New Viking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wavves >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eat Skull

important and famous bands all, and worthy of intense scrutiny

fuck you dude, eat skull's first album is the blueprint for all of this shit^

new one is not very good at all though, unfortunately

Times New Viking have a lot of great songs, i think that they are way more dynamic than VG. XP I'm not buying into Eat Skull being the progenitors of this at all. TNV had two albums out on Siltbreeze before the first Eat Skull came out.

xp k3vin: Uh, The Oh Sees have been around longer than Eat Skull ...

i didnt say they were pioneers, jsut that they did it best

xp ok "blueprint" is a misleading word sowwwwwy

xp k3vin: yeah blueprint implies that they did it first.

wanna post that again so it sinks in?

trip maker: i guess i understand that, but like arent we past that? arent bedroom protools albums ok? does every indie/DIY/punk star need reatard-style long-slow-climb trajectory? these qs arent particularly for you btw

i love all these bands.

LOL @ eat skull having the blueprint. listen to thomas jeff slave apts or the yips, and all this new siltbreeze stuff (while awesome) all of a sudden has close recent relatives

xp k3vin: if you insist ...xp k3vin: yeah blueprint implies that they did it first.

keep on postin' ilx

OMG, have we seriously reached a point in the indie bubble where people working in a 25-year-old idiom criticize other people working in a 25-year-old idiom for people having heard of them?

hahaha that interview was conducted by my ex-bandmate/friend

i have never listened to any of these bands but man that was hysterically entertaining. it's almost kind of adorable that there are people that take a scene like that that seriously and still talk about "poseurs" with zero irony. also this is comedy gold:

Rob: People who sit around (expletive) typing (expletive) on the Internet all day should be round up and shot.

Matt: I agree.

Dude, that's like, sort of my job.

Rob: Well, you can't fault a man for trying to make a dollar, dude.

t[epletive]l,d[expletive]r

[expletive]

Rob is comedy gold.

I gotta go smoke this joint with this dude. Can we go over there?

[We go over there.]

I like how the vivian girls thread has become lofi central

wait, is it a pun i dont get?

haha nah I just meant lol @ the official coronation of the (ridiculous) genre name in an album title. it's like calling your album BEARDO DISCO - FINALLY FIXED FOR VAHID

I passed up buying SHITGAZE ANTHEMS today when I saw that it's b-sides, grabbed the new Wooden Shjips insted

New Shjips is dope.

do I get the credit for Beardo Disco or does Vahid?

matt whitehurst ot [expletive] m

on one hand I get where that guy matt is coming from, seems as though his heart is in the right place? but on the other he sounds like somebody still talking about "real" hardcore 20 years after the shock of the new wore off. when I heard sebadoh way back in '88, even then it was "oh yeah, lou barlow's doing the lofi thing now", like he was dabbling in dance music or went metal.

seems like blues control are the only ones doing something interesting with the lofi angle recently.

No, this is a hilariously childish tantrum which could take years to live down: "Those bands, they're all about like, Oh, we're girls! "

Should be a flat race to be the first of the bands mentioned to quote this on the cover of a nice limited 7"

Bands such as Wavves, Vivian Girls, No Age and Times New Viking have become superstars on the indie scene by adhering a similar approach.

XD

if you aaaaaare what they say you aaaaaaare a suppppppersttaaaar, then have no feeeear, the blogs are heeeere

um, i saw nerve city last night and i liked it but compared to their recordings, the songs were too fast :( all bands should play slower imho.

You know "Tell The World" came on my ipod earlier and I had to check who it was because it's so good. I have to laugh at those dudes from Psychedelic Horseshit/Eat Skull above - I love both those bands but really are we talking about poseurs in 2009 really? I just have to shrug at all this.

yeah, that "superstars on the indie scene" practically breaks my brain; I cannot think of what system of weird bubbles it would require to really feel that way!

I cannot think of what system of weird bubbles it would require to really feel that way!

http://118.98.213.22/choirul/how/a/b/beer/beer-bottle-rinse.jpg

honestly, in the bizarro world i inhabit, bands like eat skull & vivian girls are way way way way way more popular than yer average pitchfork-approved, mom-friendly indie blah blah blah.

Don't know how that Nerve City reference came up, but that first song ("Living Wage") of the most recent cassette is a monster. I have not heard every song by every other band mentioned here, but I've a hard time imagining that any of them are better than "Living Wage." Haven't warmed to the Nerve City 10" that just came out (speaking of playing slower), but I'll be working at it.

This guy has the Hell cassette up: http://ongakubaka.blogspot.com/2009/05/nerve-city-hell.html

If the Vivian Girls ever raise the hairs on your neck, let me know.

well, if that's not a rhetorical question:

You know "Tell The World" came on my ipod earlier and I had to check who it was because it's so good.

"Tell the World" is, from the first note to the last, a dissipated attempt at a Wipers song; so yes, it taps into some of that power(with a touch of c-86 melody floating atop)—just enough to remind you it's not the real deal. Even in their straight-up Wipers cover ("Telepathic Love") they can't get all the way there, though I do like the kazoo-y sound they get on the guitar. Of course, how many bands do approach the '79-'83 Wipers? So it's hard to get on them too much.

"Those bands, they're all about, Oh we're The Wipers!"

I hate me some kobe bryant and derek fisher but that's a post for another board altogether - sorry...

― sknybrg, Saturday, May 9, 2009 11:09 PM

09 playoffs thread

― THE_REAL_PHIL (Dr. Phil), Sunday, 10 May 2009 14:56 (1 week ago)

Thanks Phil - awesome threads, both.
^Interview is peals of hysterical laughter

it appears as if wavves have succumbed to the pressure of being a hyped lo-fi indie rock band

http://pitchfork.com/news/35459-wavves-self-destruct-in-barcelona/

This is being discussed at length in the Rolling Punk thread.

thank u

new album is quite a step forward from the first i note

this sure was a great thread about indie rock

uhhhh. i kind of love the new one? never heard the whole first album, but this one has great songs and i *love* it when they sing together. pretty great autumn record.

i dont know, i like it, but i like the first one better, so far...

cool, maybe i need to listen to the first one

did you never??

oh i see now that i read your post

*ahem*

at least it's better than that Pens record everyone is going nuts for. That one's up there with the Cold Cave LP for WORST. RECORD. EVER.

haven't heard either of those bandssssss^^

though wasn't a cold cave dude in the band AMERICAN NIGHTMARE? Lol, played a show with them once

Que, I'm definitely of the opinion that that songwriting on the new one is a lot richer and more interesting

i really like THE TREES GREW EMOTIONS AND DIED by cold cave, but ian is OTM about that pens record. no good!

yeah I think Cold Cave is ok

THE TREES GREW EMOTIONS AND DIED

LOL

Que, I'm definitely of the opinion that that songwriting on the new one is a lot richer and more interesting

i agree with this. and there's a lot more appealingly tiger trap/aislers set-esque vibes on this one that weren't as prominent on the first.

seein em on wednesday, i will undoubtedly be the least hip person there

second record is pretty awesome. it took a while but i really like it.

how does it compare to the s/t?

better. by a lot. more confident, less self-conscious.

i thought the first record was really solid, and it didn't hurt that it was super short. i'll have to add this to the ever-growing list of records i need to check out.

ksh, if you get this, stick with it. not that much jumps out at first but it's a total grower.

will do, cad. most of my favorite records took multiple listens before I "got" them