the thread for dizzee rascal's 4th album tongue 'n' cheek

hate bonkers but the bside thats produced by shy fx is a lot better than the song they did together on the last album, (and bonkers) tho its still a bit 'generic dance banger'. im guessing this is the album hes trying to get ridiculously massive.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/jun/17/dizzee-rascal-mps-expenses

This record is going to be shockingly bad. Also massive.

Do you like any music, Matt?

Wow that told me.

I love his last three albums, but just lowering my expectations for this one. I hope he's canny enough to avoid putting out his own See Clear Now but the last couple of singles don't inspire confidence. It's hard to begrudge him becoming a genuine properly huge pop star, even if I don't think much of his recorded output any more.

That said basing a track around Dirty Cash is a brilliant idea in theory.

I'm actually anticipating this a lot more after his Glastonbury performance. His version of Dirty Cash is brilliant.

Also judging by the ENORMOUS crowd he pulled at Glasto and how up for it they were, Dizzee will be the biggest pop star in the country by the end of the year.

what's the going line on Dizzee's trajectory? I mean - I liked Boy In Da Corner but I loved Showtime to pieces, one of my favorite albums of the decade really. Maths I liked but Showtime was going to be pretty hard to follow for me no matter what he did. But what's the general consensus?

didnt see his performance, other than the clip they showed on newsnight where he came on as they played bits of his paxman interview. didnt really get the point of that though, i think he was going for something like what old rappers used to do to show how they were so anti establishment, except dizzees soundbites just made him sound like a bit of a prat. a funny one, but still a prat. forgot how good his old bars were though, even though he did them over that ting tings track.

Reexamining him for the purposes of a best-of-decade list, I thought Showtime and Boy in Da Corner were the same album, and I liked Maths + English best (Marcello has an illuminating essay from 2007 on his blog).

I'm actually anticipating this a lot more after his Glastonbury performance. His version of Dirty Cash is brilliant.

same here, even 'bonkers' sounded great. i loved 'maths and english' but still prefer the debut.

The consensus seems to be that BIDC is his best. I have a bit of trouble separating them but I'd probably rank Showtime as his weakest even if his flow on that is something else. It doesn't quite have the shock and awe of the first album or the sheer enjoyment factor of the third. Also the production is a bit tinny.

His performance was terrific, one of the best things I saw all weekend. The crowd was so big (larger than Neil Young the previous night) and he really had them in the palm of his hand. I hadn't seen him live in five years and he's got so much better at working a crowd, and I didn't quite realise quite how charismatic he can be. Still, I remember thinking "yeah, this is his moment". The album will be *huge* in the UK.

Also, small children seem to love him.

showtime isnt tinny, its just a bit slow. and the production doesnt have the sharp edges of the other two. its like he slicked it out even as he made it darker. it still has stand up tall though, which might be his all time best MC performance.

"small children seem to love him"

id love him to do some more songs like dream. i could easily see a little dizzee cartoon working too actually, as long as it didnt try and be 'edgy' or anything.

and "dream" which is one of the most beautiful things in the world & makes me cry you unfeeling bastards

XPOST OH YEAH TITTYSCHNEIDER WAY TO XPOST MY AWESOME LOL, GOOD JOB

Showtime > Maths & English

i really wish 'bonkers' and 'dance wiv me' were better - stuff like 'dream' and the lily allen track on maths & english showed that dizz is one of the few grime/ex-grime MCs who can do populist cheese really well, and he makes a great pop star for all the reasons matt says. but they're just so subpar. still better than tinchy's electrocrap hits i guess :(

Reexamining him for the purposes of a best-of-decade list

by the way do we have the decade starting in 2000 or 2001

2000, because the kids surely want to include Kid Arse.

Holiday is the next single and it sounds better than either, despite being produced by Calvin Harris (it doesn't feature his vocals which is a good start). Better still is the aforementioned Dirty Cash. The other new track he played, Road Rage, is basically Pussyole (Old Skool) and leads me to think the new album won't be entirely shiny electropop.

(xxpost to Lex)

Dizzee is actually the worst thing about 'Bonkers'. serviceable banger by AVH but the chorus is a bit annoying.

i forgot the lilly allen collabo. that was so good. cant believe it wasnt a hit!

i hate bonkers and dance wiv me. flex was a 100 times better than DWM but it barely even charted. bloody british public.

i just found holiday. its better than bonkers or DWM. wearing my rolex is still better than any of these though ;)

i can't believe the lily allen collab wasn't even a single.

'flex' was so amazing and i've just remembered how great 'bubbles' was as well!

bubbles i always thought was too sluggish and a bit boring. but flex should have been huge, the dj q remix esp. but then its like the better dizzee is, the worse he does.

listening to 'holiday' now.

:(

sigh.

Titchy OTM about the DJ Q remix of "Flex". That's my second favourite bassline tune ever probably.

Yeah, I don't care for the original, but the DJ Q remix is what's up.

I like but don't love BIDC and love about half of M&E, but have no use for the other half, do I need to hear Showtime?

http://truetosound.net/videos/2137-dizzee-rascal-holiday-official-video/

i like this song now.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1205416/When-Dizzee-met-Harry--nearly-punched-him.html

lol

http://drownedinsound.com/in_depth/4137560-first-listen--dizzee-rascals-tongue-n-cheek

Is there any chance this isn't going to suck?

27%

hope the bmore club track doesnt sound too shit.

what the hell is Goldie doing in the 'Holiday' video?

now available on an internets near you

it's brill!!

in america we say "trill"

was gonna say something like "if you hate on this album ur a dick" but really i would be staggered were anyone to front

in uk we use trillo pads

Downloading it now...

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Observer/Pix/pictures/2009/9/10/1252600857727/Dizzee-Rascal-studio-shot-001.jpg

This is an amazing look.

louis rascal

i HATE those shirts w/difft coloured collar & cuffs

Under normal circumstances I also hate them but I fucking WANT that shirt.

This is much better than the singles suggest. Unfortunately once you factor out the singles and the way ropey Tiesto track it's also very short.

This album is str8 dogshit from top to bottom

album is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than i thought. cheered me up. bonkers and dance wiv me still get deleted though. weird to hear hooks like chillin wiv da man dem on an album i thought would be all for the radio one listenership. and the one with shy fx is prob his best 'conscious' track so far. the beat for money money is fucking wicked. needs a remix with ragga twins.

GIRL ILL HOUSE YOU
GIRL LL HOUSE YOU
GIRL ILL HOUSE YOU

Fuxk is rap such a losing proposition that everyone has to make black eyed peas daft Dilpo bullshit just to survive? This house-rap shit is gnna be remembered as fondly as hair metal. FFFFFUUUUUUUU-

is there a sample of 'i'll house you' on it? on one of the songs?

Fuxk is rap such a losing proposition that everyone has to make black eyed peas daft Dilpo bullshit just to survive? This house-rap shit is gnna be remembered as fondly as hair metal. FFFFFUUUUUUUU-

this is not that though - sorry america but you are neglecting to factor in the concept of great british seaside cheese

I mean if your opponent deals in easter egg asides and you respond with an earnest multi-post derailment, you come off like a bore regardless of who's wrong and who's right.

― guccislamic deejihad (some dude), Sunday, September 27, 2009 9:44 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

um, i dont think he intends his asides to be trolling jokes (primarily) -- i think he wants them to be engaged with / taken seriously

but some dude im very sorry i interrupted a discussion about dizzee rascal that you were apparently so invested in

oh no i've wanted to ruin a dizzee rascal ilm thread for years and years -- thank you for allowing me to vicariously fulfill a longtime dream

i just went from feeling embarrassed for you to wanting to help you dig yourself deeper after you showed an amazing lack of self-consciousness about it

you kind of crossed the line from funnily egging deej on to actively being an asshole

caring about & being invested in stuff is actually kind of fun imo even if it can be occasionally embarrassing -- you should try it sometime

j - i admitted i was being an asshole way in the middle of it! i mean that's a given.

d - i appreciate the whole marianne dashwood thing you've got going on where you feel sorry for me for not feeling passion about music so deeply that i feel the need to run to artists' defense, really i appreciate it. maybe i'm dead inside or something.

I think if you're going to attack someone's tossed-off asides, you should ask them to clarify in order to make sure you're attacking the argument you think you're attacking.

Also, I'm wondering if you are seeing the inherent contradiction in the position "Gucci Mane is not the type of artist who has a self-selecting fanbase because he is hugely popular even though no one ever talks about him except for me".

tbh i'm more worried that deej obviously views cassie and taylor swift fans w/such disdain that he's so offended by being lumped in with them - rtc's aside wasn't even a value judgment on any of the artists, i'm pretty sure that of those three he's most into cassie.

fwiw i basically agree w/deej about what gucci's doing but this was nowhere near as immediately apparent to me as it was with eg young dro and nicki minaj (who i cite merely as examples of the rappers i've jammed most recently)

meanwhile on the dizzee rascal album, "road rage" and "dirtee cash" and "bad behaviour" alone are worth the price of entry

BEEP BEEP COMING THROUGH!

Yeah, I love "Dirtee Cash," "Holiday," and "Bad Behaviour" unreservedly.

MOVE OVER YEAH YOU

its basically old school re-licked but i love it
YOU DONT WANNA SEE ROAD RAGE
NAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

MIND OUT
IF YOU DON'T LISTEN TO ME YOU'LL FIND OUT
I DON'T INDICATE I JUST SWING ABOUT

the NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH is the best bit
well that and BEEP BEEP

cage>>>

I think if you're going to attack someone's tossed-off asides, you should ask them to clarify in order to make sure you're attacking the argument you think you're attacking.

Also, I'm wondering if you are seeing the inherent contradiction in the position "Gucci Mane is not the type of artist who has a self-selecting fanbase because he is hugely popular even though no one ever talks about him except for me".

― sturdy, ultra-light, under-the-pants moneybelt (HI DERE), Monday, September 28, 2009 7:45 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

1) well tbf i did say that i wasnt sure i totally understood him & asked him to clarify

2) theres no contradiction -- theres a difference between "talking about as a critical phenomenon" vs "hugely popular" dan.

DIZZEE AND LILY TO CO-HEADLINE
Dizzee Rascal and Lily Allen will co-headline a show at London's O2 Arena next year, it has been announced. Tickets for the show, which will take place on 7 Mar, will go on sale on Friday at 9am

id like to see wannabe released as a single in honor of this momentous occasion^^

I like 'Road Rage' and 'Leisure' a lot. 'Dirtee Cash' is OK but not really an improvement on the original - it loses as much as it gains but fun enough. Kinda eeh otherwise tho nothing downright terrible.

oh yeah the Tiesto track is surprisingly dece too

id like to see wannabe released as a single in honor of this momentous occasion^^

― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:31 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

momentous like molotov-ribbentrop.

"OK but not really an improvement on the original"

yeah, its a bit pointles overall. if he had remixed the beat it might have been better. as it is its almost diddy-ish.

holiday lyrics are awful

NYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEOWWWWWWWWWW MOVE OVER
NYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEOWWWWWWWWWW MOVE OVER
NYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEOWWWWWWWWWW MOVE OVER
NYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEOWWWWWWWWWW MOVE OVER

his worst yet.

maybe i should give it another listen but i havent really been impelled to.

I think it's his worst yet as well but the best bits and even the not-quite-the-best bits are still great.

Repping for 'Chillin' With The Man Dem' right now. "E3 Bow, playing Pro-Evo..."

its almost his worst. i cant make my mind up. i like the fact the lyrics are so focused on this, and that theres a lot of range in terms of the songs, but i find it hard to dislike dizzee even when hes doing (succesfully) calculated crossover pap like this. and i mean, cant tek no more is kinda corny but its prob his best song in terms of trying to say something conscious. i mean, if you want an example of someone going for 'middle england' or whatever and totally nailing it without really sounding like theyve totally neutered themselves then i think this is kinda it.

i find it hard to dislike dizzee even when hes doing (succesfully) calculated crossover pap like this.

i agree and i quite like the singles on this album but i think he got the mix of 'angry grime kid' and 'crossover pap' just right on 'maths and english'. i guess what i really like about Dizzee isnt really represented on the new one.

road rage kinda fills that void for me. the one produced by footsie (leisure) is the nearest this one gets to old dizzee but its not really the greatest song on here. do love bad behaviour on this too. still really hate bonkers but i have a soft spot for holiday, until calvin h starts singing anyway.

coda of holiday is also too short (should have been fleshed out) but seriously great...

it's brill!!

― r|t|c

^^^ yeah!!!

look at dizz on national telly right now, with a full orchestra, doing 'brand new day' and 'jezebel', in 2009. are you unmoved?

haha now he's doing 'stand up tall' over 'smells like teen spirit'.

Where can I watch this????

Yeah Dizzee as proper nationally famous, household name pop star really does feel like a victory and a vindication against every pissy "lol grime" type post over the years to boot.

i watched it as a big fan, pleased to see hes come so so so far, having an orchestra actually pluck those strings notes on jezebel - weird but nice to see those old grime beats made into elec proms fare. brand new day in particular sounded ace (made me think of bjork actually, seeing it brought to life like that, and made me wonder what wd have happened if dizzee didnt go so pop, could he have maybe become a mainstream but 'fringe' sounding artist like someone like afx, bjork etc?). he didnt seem totally sure/comfortable about doing the older material i thought. winced when he did imagine - such shit lyrics. fucking hated the stand up tall mashup too.

show was enjoyable overall but it was the type of sound/show youd expect from basement jaxx/BEP. plus all the electronic side of his beats gets left to the side with this band. which is cool in a way, but id love it if dizzee had a pet shop boys/kraftwerk type set up instead lol.

Yeah that other bloke that no one ever mentions could just stand motionless and expressionless behind a bank of machinery while Dizzee capers around in a pointy hat/robot suit.

that other bloke that no one ever mentions

?

well i didnt mean actually get chris (is that his name?) from the psb to back dizzee. tho, sayin that, getting cage to wear a pointy hat and stand still for an hour playing with some laptops behind dizzee would be fun. yknow, fuck around with the beats and that sort of thing rather than make it sound like a band. cannot imagine what i luv u or stop dat would sound like with this band.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3074/3517464845_bb645438a7.jpg

cage is the guy in the middle just fyi

one good thing about the band though is = no semtex

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00nj773/Electric_Proms_2009_Dizzee_Rascal/

That Roundhouse gig looked so much fun. Bonkers sounds weirdly so much better with twangy country slide guitars. Also Brand New Day = <3 <3 <3

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2241126&mesg_id=2241126&page=

links that should work for Americans

Haha OMG that version of Imagine is ridiculously gorgeous in the first half and then just plain ridiculous in the second half.

aagh this isn't on iplayer any more!! and those youtube links are down!

>:-(

youll be fine.

this world discriminates so much against the disorganised and the tardy

"Road Rage" is like the most fun DR song I've heard in years