"Creep": Classic Or Dud

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Do you know, I'd honestly forgotten until a week or so ago that Radiohead had ever done "Creep". The best pop song they ever wrote? The worst thing they ever did? Both??

Tom, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I liked the percussive guitar jabs that announced the imminence of the chorus. Apart from that, never that fond of it. In fact, I much preferred most of the rest of Pablo Honey, which I suspect is still my favourite Radiohead LP.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

whenever tom announced his album of the year on nylpm, i clicked the link and saw that the loading file was 'clientele.html'. 'oh good', i thought, 'tom has chosen 'supreme clientele' as the album of the year. excellent choice of him' .

if you can imagine my disappointment at seeing an indie band i had never heard of instead of ghostface killa, you can imagine my disappointment in seeing that this is not a tlc thread.

ethan, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Make it both if you like. Taking Sides: "Creep" vs "Creep".

Tom, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oddly, I like much of what Radiohead does outside of "Creep" and not much of what TLC has done outside of "Creep."

I'd forgotten Radiohead had done "Creep" as well; that's a bit of testamemt to them, I'd say. I'm starting to block loads of "The Bends" from my mind as well. ;) What's more, I'd say they've all but forgotten the song themselves, too. Not just because they haven't played it in years, but the bombast is gone from their recent slower-tempo songs. That's one of the most striking things about listening to "Amnesiac"; you expect the bombast, the clichéd build, and, and -- what's this? -- restraint. Lovely.

Scott Plagenhoef, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Because the sands of time tend to compress when going that far back, I lump "Creep" up with Beck's "Loser" and Henry Rollins' "Liar", even though the Radiohead number was clearly first. That said, I never saw the appeal...give me "Anyone Can Play Guitar" instead.

Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I hate it as much as Nirvana's "SmellsLike Teenspirit"

Stevie Nixed, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I hate it as much as Careless Wanker.

Omar, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

At least the careless wank was just a whisper. ;-) I just wish Radiohead could be high 'n' dry and leave me alone. They just remind me of these college kids picking up a guitar and whine endlessly about how crappy their life is even though mummy and daddy sends them a check every week. OK Computer is experimental? Yeah right... and I'm from Pluto.

Stevie Nixed, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Classic sadboy sympathy move - gurls meant to cry, oh Thom, you're not a creep or a weirdo - sadly he was. Does anyone ever fall for self-deprecation, by the way? Apart from me. Damn.

Revisionist attitude to "Creep" - mentioned elsewhere - casts it as tongue-in-cheek or outrageously exploitative appeal to core market. I don't see this myself (possibly the latter). I do know I still dislike it with absolute intensity - this and mediocre follow-ups pretty much turned me off Radiohead completely for - checks watch - seven years. Quite a song.

(OK Computer didn't help.)

TLC's "Creep" meanwhile isn't as good as it felt at the time, unlike "Waterfalls". But it's close.

The Afghan Whigs' "Creep" is well-meaning but ultimately Should Not Be. The whole Greg Dulli soul man thing was always a bit of a weak link.

Tom, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

When "Creep" (Radiohead) came out, I thought it was so vastly overrated that I actively ignored everything they did until accidentally stumbling over the video for "Paranoid Android".

When "Creep" (TLC) came out, I was amazed at how much better it was than their previous material. I instantly fell in love and was somewhat disappointed when I discovered that the album itself was patchy. (I didn't realize that TLC are the living embodiment of the patchy album at the time.)

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I have no torch to carry for Radiohead, but I'm not quite sure why Tom talks of 'Creep' and 'mediocre follow-ups', when (I would have thought - perhaps I'm wrong here) their subsequent work is somewhat different. ie: OK, you dislike them both - but maybe not for quite the same reasons?

I have never heard 'Creep' by 'TLC'. Who are 'TLC'?

the pinefox, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I like the Heartworms cover version. Pablo Honey is my favourite Radiohead album, the rest of their stuff is way over produced and cynical.

james e l, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I thought it was cool the first time I heard those guitar chugga's, but the song overall is really boring.

Anyway, I went to see the Pablo Honey tour in Philadephia (I probablly wouldn't have gone except the tix were free) and the show was alright, nothing special. Everyone stood around waiting for "Creep". When they played it and the moment everyone was waiting for came, they didn't have had the one dude's "chugga" guitar turned up very loud at all and you could hardly hear it. I think people left the show feeling cheated.

Tim Baier, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sorry Pinefox - while obviously everything they've done since is a follow-up of sorts to Creep I meant the couple of singles they put out afterwards - "Anyone Can Play Guitar" and "Pop Is Dead" - before they re-released Creep, went off and got famous and made The Bends. I mean I'm never going to like a single called "Pop Is Dead" ;)

Tom, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

pinefox:

tlc = 'the lloyd cole,' a side project of his. i'm surprised that you haven't heard of it. he did cover versions of contemporary rock hits in the inimitable lloyd cole fashion, thus the name 'the lloyd cole.'

fred solinger, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I liked the guitars on Radiohead's Creep, but that's about it. I always thought Jonny Greenwood should be in a better band; it's too bad the lethal guitar kick is neutered by the whining mess that is the singing and lyrics. Whenever I hear it I feel like smacking Thom and saying "There! Now you have something to cry about...".

As for TLC, Creep may be my favorite single by them. I rate it higher than Waterfalls. Waterfalls is good, but awfully preachy like an after-school special; Creep's charms are more dirty and seductive, both musically and lyrically.

Nicole, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Fred / Pinefox:

I have a sneaking suspicion that "The Lloyd Cole" is out of the same book as Jamie Ashley and Sarah Hutchings. Am I right?

Oh, and BTW, *of course* the TLC song is better. Shouldn't be hard to grasp.

Robin Carmody, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What about 'Creep' (Radiohead) vs 'C.R.E.E.P' (The Fall)?

No fucking contest. ;-)

Venga, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah true. & that isn't even a very good Fall song.

Duane Zarakov, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Fred - No, hadn't heard of that. Sounds good.

the pinefox, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Pinefox: I still suspect "The Lloyd Cole" is about as real as two pro- hunting 15-year-olds at Taunton School are.

Robin Carmody, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hey, no one's brought up "Creep" by Stone Temple Pilots yet...

Dan Perry, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

can't really call it either. nothing *that* exceptional but a better- than-average grunge-era radio rock song. gets points for: the guitar scratches, "your skin makes me cry," the wordless falsetto bit. loses points for the chorus.

sundar subramanian, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one month passes...
Eh, it's okay. I don't listen to it really. Maybe twice a year. As with the album whence it came. It's just really average and basically uninspired.

Melissa W, Monday, 28 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

eighteen years pass...

So fucking SICK OF THIS SONG, whether it's at karaoke nights or in bars. I have heard it somewhere every night this week.

This doodoo stain of a song should be retroactively unwritten.

FUCK YOUR POTATO (Neanderthal), Thursday, 29 August 2019 06:42 (six years ago)

A total clunking smelly dud. Rock ordinaire.

The TLC Creep is, of course, terrific.

does it look like i'm here (jon123), Thursday, 29 August 2019 11:32 (six years ago)

Where does the STP "Creep" figure into this

Vinnie, Saturday, 31 August 2019 05:20 (six years ago)

Half the song it used to be

FUCK YOUR POTATO (Neanderthal), Saturday, 31 August 2019 05:29 (six years ago)

I was going to post that I'd be perfectly happy with never hearing this song again, but then I thought that under the exact circumstances (circumstances TBD) I might want to. Or at least wouldn't immediately switch it off.

just another country (snoball), Saturday, 31 August 2019 17:49 (six years ago)

This was really good once: the weird cover that was used in the first trailer for The Social Network (but not in the film).

clemenza, Saturday, 31 August 2019 17:56 (six years ago)

I liked it in The Scent of Green Papaya, I think.

The Fearless Thread Killers (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 31 August 2019 18:13 (six years ago)

The weirdest usage of it was in this terrible musical parody of Hunger Games called Hungry that was done in my town.

The playwright isn't a musician so she decided to cherrypick existing songs and throw them into the show, with actors singing live over karaoke tracks. Stuff like "Red Solo Cup", "Kung Fu Fighting".

So because it's a parody, they changed The Reaping to the Creeping in the story, just so they could have some burly Uncle Fester look alike sing "Creep". People were eating it up, while a few of us were staring longingly at the Exit sign

FUCK YOUR POTATO (Neanderthal), Saturday, 31 August 2019 18:22 (six years ago)

I liked it in /The Scent of Green Papaya/, I think.

Sorry, it was another film by the same director, Cyclo.

The Fearless Thread Killers (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 1 September 2019 00:51 (six years ago)

That first trailer I mentioned is still up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB95KLmpLR4

I remember they had a second one in circulation by the time the film came out.

clemenza, Sunday, 1 September 2019 00:56 (six years ago)

four months pass...

we all know about radiohead getting sued by the hollies for ripping off "the air i breathe," but check this out (the chord progression in general but specifically the line at 1:19): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvkVuE__DEw

na (NA), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 15:31 (five years ago)

Sund4r can give the specifics but isn't be that a different chord progression with the main link being that it's arpeggiated and he says "I'm a creep"?

Feel like the Hollies song was closer

Rhoda from Steubenville (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 15:43 (five years ago)

i mean the help yourself song also came out a year after the hollies song. i just think it's a fun alternative (pun intended) theory

na (NA), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 15:45 (five years ago)

the chord progression is similar but only through the first three chords, also they stay on each chord half as long as the hollies/radiohead

na (NA), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 15:47 (five years ago)

Lana Del Rey - "Get Free" I didn't know about until now, since I don't really know much about her, but listening now, it's ridiculous that she didn't lose that one if Radiohead had to give the Hollies credits.

Rhoda from Steubenville (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 15:53 (five years ago)


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