Are Freaky Trigger and Tangents the new NME/MM? If so which is which and who is Sounds?

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A question i've been meaning to ask for a while, has kings reach towers been superceded by Headington and a small village in devon? I know that I have been more influenced by the stuff i've read here over the past six months or so than what i've read in the inkies over, ooh, the past five years or so...

carsmilesteve, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

If I hear you call Exeter a small village in Devon again, I will run you through with a dreaming spire.

To answer your question, no they're not.

And if they are, then Sounds (the rockistest one) is plainly Pitchfork.

Tim, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Really Tim, I'm rather pleasantly surprised. Next think you'll be confessing that, yes, people who *do* live in small villages in Devon might just, possibly, know what the internet is :).

I wonder what Elidor might be?

Best bits of the MM combined with the best bits of the Guardian and Independent, is my unselfish guess.

Robin Carmody, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Devon, eh? That western suburb of London, you mean? :-P Anyway, about the question, why would you want to compare anything to the NME/MM? Currently its hardly a compliment. Why not try to forget them and move on?

DG, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

A question born in the pub and which some might say should have died there ;)

Crucial difference A:

People paid to read the NME. Tempted though I constantly am as Publisher to whip a virtual hat round and say it's for a 'server fund' or something I fear I'd be unsuccessful.

A corollary of this is crucial difference B:

People were paid to do the NME. This meant that if - picking an example out of the air here - the writer/editor of several successful features spent two weeks drinking and arsing about on IM and never updating them they would have been in the shite.

I understand what you mean, though. In answer, we're Record Mirror.

Tom, Wednesday, 25 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm starting to feel like an example of difference B myself. Settled down to finally write a standalone article and had writers' block in the worst possible way. :-/

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Pitchformedia = the new "pig farming world"

Charlotte, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm struck by one thing that Carsmile says - namely that he's been *influenced* by FT. And that made me think about influence and stuff. In what way, exactly, Carsmile?

the pinefox, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well, the pinefox, I bought Stankonica (it's a rap album by a band called outkast by the way) due to the respect it was given round here, and have downloaded some stuff off Napster (a filesharing system used to swap music files) for the same reasons. It's also led me to reassess my views on chart pop (again) and learn more about bands i'd only vaguely heard of.

People said that i was easily led, and they were half right.

carsmilesteve, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

If I can be a pedant for a second, the album's called _Stankonia_.

_Stankonica_ would have been a better title, though. ("What do you call a stank harmonica?")

Dan Perry, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Culturally, DG actually describes Devon very well. Not that Tim H would agree.

Robin Carmody, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

haha 'stankonica'. that's great.

ethan, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

This place is a bad influence - I get complimented for being rude. :)

DG, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

So did you actually mean that people in Devon don't know what the internet is, then?

Robin Carmody, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Whoa there, Robin! I was only teasing! It was only a little 'Londoners view of the world' joke - I didn't mean anything genuinely rude by it. I happen to quite like Devon (especially Beer).

DG, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

So you don't think people in Devon are technologically backward?

I'm glad to hear it. I always suspected you had your tongue in your cheek, because your postings are so articulate that I wouldn't believe you could be so ignorant, but I just wanted to confirm.

Basically most of the south of England feels like a suburb of London now, even the Scilly Isles. Which I don't resent, though I do resent people telling me that the party whose economic policies helped to bring it about over 18 years is the party which would preserve the countryside in aspic were it ever to regain power.

Robin (Lib Dem voter, like virtually all progressive ruralists)

Robin Carmody, Friday, 27 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

my sister's name is devon.

fred solinger, Friday, 27 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I spend a fair bit of time in East Devon, particularly Exeter, and it feels *nothing* like a suburb of London. I can't understand why you (of all people) would suggest that it does, Robin.

Tim, Friday, 27 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Did you specify East Devon to avoid offending Fred, Tim?

For what it's worth, I'm quite familiar with the the suburbs of London and I've also spent a bit of time in Devon. I wasn't struck by the resemblance either.

Nick, Friday, 27 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh, you know what I meant. The differences are minute and insignificant compared to 30 years ago, not least because of what we're doing now.

To answer your question, Tim: to suggest that the south of England is one big suburb is closer to the truth than to suggesting that it is made up of different time zones. This is 2001, for fuck's sake. Enough right now.

Robin Carmody, Saturday, 28 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I don't know what you meant, Robin, and I still don't, thanks to your unhelpful answers. I agree this is 2001, though, so it's nice that we agree on something. Where timezones come into it I have no idea. Enough of what?

What do you know about 30 years ago? I can remember East Devon and London 20 years ago (and more) and I can't see how Devon is any more like a suburb now than it was then. It wasn't then and it's not now.

Tim, Monday, 30 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Bludy devonians, coming round here, ruining my question, BAH!

carsmilesteve, Monday, 30 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well, at the moment Freaky Trigger is the new Melody Maker :)

DG, Monday, 30 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one month passes...
Conservatives? Robin, you are evil. Are you really sure you are not 45. Ugh.

ty@hotmail.com, Tuesday, 5 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My best guess - judging from a quick IP check - is that this is somebody trying to give Robin a coronary, rather than the man himself. Though maybe he was influenced by the Tory pin-up in today's Sun.

Moderator Tom, Tuesday, 5 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Let me state absolutely unequivocally that I DID NOT WRITE the posting credited to me above. It was indeed someone impersonating me, and I don't like it one bit.

Do we have a policy of deleting posts that take someone else's name and email address?

Robin Carmody (the real one!), Tuesday, 5 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

And it was followed by a post from 'ty', aka 'paul'...someone call Sherlock Holmes! This mystery is too tough for me...

DG, Tuesday, 5 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The four posts above refer to something someone posted under Robin Carmody's name that I've now deleted.

OK, it may have been funny, but posting under someone else's name is a really crap precedent to set. Please don't do it.

Nick (part-time ILM moderator), Tuesday, 5 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

wasnt me..

I was just responding in shock horror.

ty@hotmail.com, Tuesday, 5 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It was a disgrace though that someone was impersonating me - but imitation is the highest form of flattery, i suppose.

Robin Carmody, Thursday, 14 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Didn't write that one either. Whoever deletes it, remember this time: *check the IP first*.

Robin Carmody (the real one!), Thursday, 14 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It doesn't help. Apparently it's the first time that that particular IP is used to log on to this site.

moderatin' Patrick, Thursday, 14 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But the site presumably doesn't "remember" the numbers that have been deleted? So it could actually be the same mimic twice, couldn't it?

Insane Clown Posse Pat posted from a difft one every time: presumably at a library or caff or sumfink. (Tho I spose he cd have been four difft ICP-ers, in on the same fun game...)

mark s/moderator in mufti, Thursday, 14 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

So, Momus: are you pretending to be me here? I think the Kingsland reference gives it away.

Mail me privately if you feel it's most appropriate.

Robin Carmody (the real one!), Saturday, 16 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But how do we know you're the *real* Robin?

DG, Saturday, 16 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ooooh, how can you be sure :) ? Seriously, though, I've never signed myself simply as "Robin", so the posting yesterday credited as such certainly isn't me. I am increasingly convinced that the Kingsland- referencing one is Momus: if it isn't, there is one particular former personal friend who has since turned against me who could have done it, especially given that he has never posted here so would therefore be from an IP which has never previously originated a contribution.

Were any of the earlier posts sent from an IP of Liverpool University (liverpool.ac.uk or liv.ac.uk)? If so, I would have no doubts whatsoever as to who it would be.

Robin Carmody, Saturday, 16 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

six years pass...

What the fuck is "Tangents"?

Dom Passantino, Thursday, 6 December 2007 09:30 (seventeen years ago)

Oh, you youngsters: http://www.tangents.co.uk/frozen.html

mike t-diva, Thursday, 6 December 2007 10:21 (seventeen years ago)

Never heard of it either and I'm Dom's dad

Tom D., Thursday, 6 December 2007 10:22 (seventeen years ago)

I know you read this Dom. You'll recognisde the funny line:

http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/music/archives/2007/07/column_hugs_and.php

Raw Patrick, Thursday, 6 December 2007 10:46 (seventeen years ago)

Fucking hell, see how far you can get through these collected Everett True columns. Is he fucking senile or something?

http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/music/archives/columns/hugs_and_kisses/

Raw Patrick, Thursday, 6 December 2007 10:51 (seventeen years ago)

It was from Tangents that I drew many of my original Careless Talk writers

So it was a magazine for jailbait?

Dom Passantino, Thursday, 6 December 2007 10:52 (seventeen years ago)

Courtney Love really should have killed him instead of Kurt.

Dom Passantino, Thursday, 6 December 2007 10:53 (seventeen years ago)

What the fuck is "Freaky Trigger"?

Cheery Littlebottom, Thursday, 6 December 2007 13:21 (seventeen years ago)

http://blogs.menupages.com/boston/Mystery.jpg

blueski, Thursday, 6 December 2007 13:25 (seventeen years ago)

(it's a rap album by a band called outkast by the way)

:D

energy flash gordon, Thursday, 6 December 2007 23:58 (seventeen years ago)

everett true is a cunt.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 7 December 2007 09:38 (seventeen years ago)

i wouldn't know about that, but i do hate his writing

electricsound, Friday, 7 December 2007 09:51 (seventeen years ago)

lol at his "PITCHFORK WRITERS HAVE THEIR RAMPANT EGOS UNCHECKED" schtick, considering how CTCL was basically Miss AMP writing a list of which cocks she'd sucked that week.

Dom Passantino, Friday, 7 December 2007 09:54 (seventeen years ago)

one of their writers told me he was a cunt.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 7 December 2007 09:59 (seventeen years ago)

Enrique: willing to risk being defriended on Facebook in order to speak truth

Dom Passantino, Friday, 7 December 2007 10:00 (seventeen years ago)

When he interviewed my girlfriend's band he tried to set it up so he could interview the male and female members seperately.

Raw Patrick, Friday, 7 December 2007 10:03 (seventeen years ago)

tbh if you're still dating the same girl you were last year, I'd rather not look at the male members either

Dom Passantino, Friday, 7 December 2007 10:05 (seventeen years ago)

i hear he killed a man.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 7 December 2007 10:06 (seventeen years ago)

Murder isn't the one morally reprehensible crime I'd most expect E True to commit, if you catch my drift.

Dom Passantino, Friday, 7 December 2007 10:08 (seventeen years ago)

I was pretty surprised when I first came here and found out that some people (quite a lot actually) respected him for, uhhhhhhhhhhh, something or other... forming Nirvana perhaps?

Tom D., Friday, 7 December 2007 10:08 (seventeen years ago)

"Commissioning them to write their shitty reviews"

See also: Chuck Eddy

Dom Passantino, Friday, 7 December 2007 10:09 (seventeen years ago)

and: Nick Southall

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 7 December 2007 10:09 (seventeen years ago)

jokes!

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Friday, 7 December 2007 10:09 (seventeen years ago)

Right, 'cos I was genuinely dumbstruck by it

Tom D., Friday, 7 December 2007 10:10 (seventeen years ago)

possibly this tripe

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/Mofrackie/Singles/hist83.jpg

xposts

electricsound, Friday, 7 December 2007 10:11 (seventeen years ago)

The Legend: nearly as good as Regular Fries

Dom Passantino, Friday, 7 December 2007 10:12 (seventeen years ago)

He always seemed like a bit of a joke figure in the indie scene, like, "Oh no, here comes The Legend, I hope he's not playing tonight"... but then so were the Vaselines... it's all that Kurt Cobain's fault

Tom D., Friday, 7 December 2007 10:14 (seventeen years ago)

You hurt me in my heart, Henry.

Scik Mouthy, Friday, 7 December 2007 10:17 (seventeen years ago)


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