Sigh. Lets reminisce about Late '80s "postmodern" indie, esp. "120 Minutes" with Dave Kendall

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Indie Kids, Post Punkers, Shoegazers and Pre-Nirvananites, UNITE!
Lets wallow in nostalgia for those halcyon days of late 80s pre-grunge alt.rock/alt.pop/musician musicians and beautiful losers that graced our suburban (M)TV sets from Midnight to 2:00am every Sunday night.

Hi...my name is Custos...and...I'm a Kendallholic.

Lord Custos III, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

New "old skool indie/college rock" answers here.

Lord Custos III, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Is it true Dave Kendall faked his accent? I remember hearing a rumor about this several years after he left 120 Minutes.

Diego, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I understand that he faked his hair.

Lee G, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Was he even real? Was he in fact Max Headroom?

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm right there with you Custos... when it comes to being a Kendallholic. And I could use a Kevin Seal fix.

Tim DiGravina, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

As is possibly obvious to everyone by now, the Kendall days form the core of my entire musical tastes and experience.

(I was browsing through one of the more esoteric Chicago video stores the other day and I came across a video compilation drawn from the first half of the two-volume Best of 120 Minutes deal: just videos, obviously, no Kendall, but I was nevertheless edge-of- seat all the way through. Especially for "Gone Daddy Gone," which was at the time a revelation. Now I'm hoping they did one for the second volume, as all of my old friend-swapped straight-off-the-TV tape-dubs have fallen to pieces, even the extra-special one with My Bloody Valentine and Trash Can Sinatras and Cocteau Twins and even Pastels videos on it plus 120 Minutes "flashbacks" of "Boys Don't Cry" and "Seven Seas.") (A notable pair not only because they're both ridiculously amazing but also because they share a stage- and-curtain composition and the latter has Ian Curtis in drag and I seem to remember Will Sergeant dressed as a penguin at some point.)

nabisco%%, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

and let's all dream about killing lewis largent.

danielgamesh, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i have a video of kevin seal with the crazy blue screen backround talking about sugarcubes with a cute smile on his face!!!

chaki, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

In my above post "Ian Curtis" equals "Ian McCulloch," but I assume you all figured that one out.

nabisco%%, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

and let's all dream about killing lewis largent.
Doesn't ring any bells. Was this person a host after Kendall but before Pinfield (details about why I don't know this are in the "Hallmarks of a good record review thread")
Does anybody remember Kennedy? That Republican Janeanne Garafalo wannabe?

Lord Custos III, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes but what about Peter Zaremba?

Andy K, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"I understand that he faked his hair."

I saw an outake where Jonny Lydon tried to pull off his wig.

As far as watching 120 minutes I was into it back in the 80's then I started to get more into college/community radio and realized the were usually playing the crap that the majors/big indies wanted to sell to the general public. Hence Lolapalooza and the "Alternative Genre"-smells like horse shit.....

brg30, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Lewis Largent = the man who programmed your existence.

I very much remember Kennedy -- I mentioned her the other day on a thread and nobody said anything, so I conclude you hate me. *cries* A bit of a stretch, admittedly.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Lewis Largent = the man who programmed your existence.
So thaaaats the name of the guy who keeps hooking a Firewire cable to my brain in order to "sweep for cerebral spyware"
No, seriously. Is he the guy who told Kendall/Pinfield, et al. what to Play on 120?

Lord Custos III, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Dave Kendall -- The sum total of what American high school kids once thought was exotic about England, only with all the cool bits surgically removed.
Kevin Seal -- Hairy ironist cutie. Missed.
Kennedy -- Too much apple pie? No, just too much.
Lewis Largent -- anagram of "Greil slew ten."
Matt Pinfield -- Inside joke: "Hey, look! I'm a hot dog!" Wonderful shirts.

Michael Daddino, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Nope. Don't bite that. Its NOT a hot dog.

Lord Custos III, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I have several videos worth of 120 minutes which all seem to contain Front 242. I liked it in the early 90's when Paul King presented it cos he's as indie as they come.

Anyone remember the Pogues retrospective where Christy Moore does a version of "Fairytale of New york"?

Kris England, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i remember when harriet and dave from the sundays hosted an episode, swoon. then thurston moore came on and played every butch vig produced piece of crap ever, ugh!

keith, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

All I know is 120M rode Victoria Williams' jock a little too hard.

Andy K, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

how about when thurston was a guest host and introduced beck to the world? then they 'jammed' !!!

chaki, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Kevin Seal is very, very missed. Easily the cleverest person to hold a steady gig at Mtv. Kennedy hosts some low-rent game show on the Game Show Network. One of those pos-Survivor hybrids that come off like a dumbed down Double Dare (ponder that for a second). Dear Game Show Network: Less crap like this, more Match Game PM reruns!

J Blount, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I very much remember Kennedy -- I mentioned her the other day on a thread and nobody said anything, so I conclude you hate me. *cries* A bit of a stretch, admittedly.

No, we just hate Kennedy.

j.lu, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

who's the fat pinfield look-a-like they got on there now, with all the ink on his arms. I thought people on TV were supposed to look half way decent.

Chris, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

For a nanosecond I thought this was a thread about the japanese avant-garde band Sigh.

Siegbran Hetteson, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Nope. Don't bite that. Its NOT a hot dog.

Not even a nibble?

Michael Daddino, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I barfed when I saw Kennedy on some Republican young vote getter thing. What a travesty to her namesake.

g, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Not even a nibble?
Nope. Those nitrates will give you colon cancer. And fixing that requires a surgeon with a fiber-optic rig, a gasmask, an electric carving knife and too much free time on his hands.

Lord Custos III, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Kendell - grand. probably a nice uncircumcised cock. Hairpiece. Pinfield - winceworthy. one incredibly small penis. No hairpiece.

"Keeping it real is so boring." - Casey Spooner, Fischerspooner

Maria, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Before he was a host, I remember Dave Kendall used to do the little record review section on 120 Minutes, and he was actually somewhat knowledgeable about the stuff he covered. A little too enthusiastic about certain bands (Ministry, the Cure), but that can be endearing perhaps. His "make no mistake, I am fucking punk" appearance was, however, not.

Kevin Seal pretty much just read stuff off the teleprompter, but he was goofy and didn't take things seriously and was bearable.

Lewis Largent was atrocious and an utterly incompetent interviewer. I remember an uncomfortable interview he had with Cocteau Twins, and Robin Guthrie looked like he wanted to crawl away and die. If I remember correctly, Lewis said something like "That wasn't so bad, was it?" (Robin disagreed) and then Lewis offered to bake him a cake. Thanks Lewis.

Matt Pinfield is very knowledgeable about crappy bands.

I think _120 Minutes_ profoundly influenced my sleeping habits in junior high/high school. I would never set my VCR to time-record; I would stay up and only record the videos I wanted. Now, I kinda wish I had entire shows on tape, because I know there's a ton of good stuff that I missed (and seeing old commercials is always fun). Watching some of my old tapes, I'd often scream out "Noooo, why didn't I keep recording?" after seeing a video get cut off (Wire, Game Theory, Opal - they played this stuff on MTV!).

Remember the channel THE BOX? You'd call a 1-900 number, pay $2, and get to see ONE VIDEO. For pretty much half the time, "Put 'Em on the Glass" by Sir Mix-a-lot was on. In my small Tennessee hometown, they actually replaced MTV with THE BOX in the early 90s, and there were protests! John Cougar Mellencamp came to our town to give a free concert, the sole purpose of which was to get MTV back on (it worked). I am not making this up.

Ernest, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

who's the fat pinfield look-a-like they got on there now, with all the ink on his arms. I thought people on TV were supposed to look half way decent. If you're talking about Ian the Metal Guy, he's actually quite well-informed about his genre -- his choices of T-shirts are ace, e.g. Decapitated, an all-teenage death metal band from Poland. I can't be bothered to actually watch the show, though - eef.

John Darnielle, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Kennedy is actually hosting a game show now on the Game Show Network called "Friend or Foe". I didn't think much of the game though, and her personality is kept to a minimum.

Vinnie, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I remember MTV giving away a 'pink house' in Bloomington, IN. "Dude I won a house and John Cougar Mellencamp is here!!!!!" etc.

One of my favorite video/misc shows was Night Flight. The USA channel ran it from '83 to '88. They showed lots of leftfield videos, films, and cartoons -- all mixed up.

Andy K, Thursday, 27 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, I remember that show! One night I turned on the TV and was given the great gift of seeing "Close to the Edit" by the Art of Noise and "Freedom of Choice" by Devo. Plus "Love that Bob"
And afetr that, Duran Duran just weren't that cool anymore.

Lord Custos III, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Okay, here's another anecdote.
For awhile (I think it was '87-'88), they'd have a half hour version of 120 on weeknights called "Postmodern MTV"; Each week had some alt.rock/indie musician as guest host. The first time I saw it, it was Robyn Hitchcock....cleanshaven and dressed in a dapper tuxedo. He played a few videos and then he played one of his own: "Madonna of the Wasps"; In the video hes cleanshaven and wearing the same spiffy tux and top hat ensemble. The video ends and it cuts back to Hitchcock in the studio, and he looks all unshaven and dischevelled, his suit is a mess and he looks like he hasn't slept in a week. and mutters glumly "Gawd, I'm glad I don't look like that in real life..."
As Jon Stewart would've said...here's your moment of zen.

Lord Custos III, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ernest did you grow up in Bristol/Johnson City/Kingsport? I seem to vaguely remember the story about the free John Cougar concert. I definitely remember how The Box usurped MTV for awhile. (Can't remember if the videos were any better, but I do remember that some of the things you could vote for were pretty outrageously obscure)

Tracer Hand, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ernest did you grow up in Bristol/Johnson City/Kingsport?

Yes, Johnson City (it's still my homebase). It was a little challenging to find out about non-Top 40/cock rock back then in the pre-WWW days (and then actually purchasing the stuff was another issue) - there was Night Flight, 120 Minutes, some magazines, and even the public library had some stuff (Laurie Anderson, Steve Reich!).

Ernest, Friday, 28 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Last night, I found a videotape of an entire 120 Minutes episode from 1993. It is my opinion that 1993 was the worst year, ever, for music videos. I realize that making fun of videos is like shootin' fish in a barrel, though. My two main feelings were shame and boredom when watching the tape.

Ernest, Wednesday, 3 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

ten months pass...
thread revive!

i must be the only one here who couldn't stand Kevin Seal. though i loved "120 minutes." and an undergrad classmate/acquaintance was Matt Pinfield (paging mr. appelstein to thread!)

Tad (llamasfur), Saturday, 3 May 2003 07:33 (twenty-two years ago)

i sometimes got to see 120 Minutes, but not very often at all---didn't have cable, so i only got to see it if i slept over at my sister's house. and i remember The Box quite well---although apparently not many other people around here do, because if i mention "Put 'Em On The Glass" to them, they don't remember it at all especially not the video. Mr. A Lot would be so sad. XD

i also remember the fateful time i first discovered a local (then) cable-access-type show called JBTV. was quite young at the time. don't remember how old exactly, but i do know Pee Wee's Playhouse was still on the air. and we had a black-and-white tiny TV that barely got anything in, with separate UHF and VHF dials to tune things in, aluminum foil---and i found it completely by accident.

it used to be a cool show, back then. playing stuff you wouldn't really see elsewhere (and i didn't have cable anyway). Jerry Bryant should've retired the first time he quit the show, though. it got really, really stupid and Just Like Everything Else after "alternative" broke. :P

i won my very first Discman from that show, too. 'twas nice. and random. have still got me on videotape somewhere. i look like a complete dork, but at least my hair was black and orange. XD

janni (janni), Saturday, 3 May 2003 23:47 (twenty-two years ago)

and an undergrad classmate/acquaintance was Matt Pinfield (paging mr. appelstein to thread!)

what i meant to say was, an undergrad classmate/acquaintance was Matt Pinfield's roommate. (mr. appelstein still welcome to tune in, of course!)

Tad (llamasfur), Sunday, 4 May 2003 04:28 (twenty-two years ago)

matt pinfield had a knack comparing bands to either the replacements, husker du or the pixies. ha ha ha

jack cole (jackcole), Sunday, 4 May 2003 04:53 (twenty-two years ago)

and he probably didn't know who those bands were.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 4 May 2003 13:03 (twenty-two years ago)

three months pass...
Was he even real? Was he in fact Max Headroom?

hURGERBEAUT, Saturday, 30 August 2003 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

He was a giant muppet with very realistic rubber skin. Jim Hensons kid re-used alot of the technology invented by his dad for "The Dark Crystal"; Pinfield slouches like that, because underneath the fake skin and foam prostheses, he's actually built on a Skeksis bodyframe.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 30 August 2003 22:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Night Flight rocked my world- they'd show awaesome movies if you stayed up late enough, like "Ladies and Gentlemen the Fabulous Stains". Sometimes they'd show SNUB TV which was extra awesome for my MESlovin' Yank self, and one time they had a Cabaret Voltaire special AND a Some Bizarre special the same night, after which I remember thinking "Matt Johnson reeaally likes himself."

Joshua Houk (chascarrillo), Sunday, 31 August 2003 00:27 (twenty-one years ago)

oops, AWESOME

Joshua Houk (chascarrillo), Sunday, 31 August 2003 00:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Night Flight also did "Love That 'Bob'" and would show hilariously lame movies like "A Polish Vampire in Burbank"
ergo, Night Flight == You Lord and Saviour. Bow Down before its August Majesty.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 31 August 2003 00:54 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a fact!

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Sunday, 31 August 2003 01:08 (twenty-one years ago)

is this thread the worst usage of 'postmodern' on ilm ever ?

trife (simon_tr), Sunday, 31 August 2003 03:23 (twenty-one years ago)

by worst i mean wrongest, and also worst

trife (simon_tr), Sunday, 31 August 2003 03:33 (twenty-one years ago)

"postmodern" was a term used for this sort of music at that time, trife! absurd misnomer or not.

Tad (llamasfur), Sunday, 31 August 2003 03:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Indie didn't become really good until the Britpop explosion in the mid 90s...

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 31 August 2003 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)

*stifles giggles and waits for the inevitable onslaught*

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 31 August 2003 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...
(which of course, never came...)

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Indie didn't become really good until the Britpop explosion in the mid 90s...

*takes a drink*

aleksandr supertramp (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 21:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I had a friend that was trying to do stand up comedy in the mid 90s and he used to have a pretty funny bit about Dave Kendall getting the job as a host of "ESPN Speedweek" and had him interviewing Cale Yarborough.

The couple of times I saw him do the bit, the few people that knew what he was talking about cracked up.

earlnash, Wednesday, 21 January 2004 21:06 (twenty-one years ago)

120 Minutes playlists dating back to 1986

aleksandr supertramp (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 21:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh man, I used to always stay up late and write down all the 120 Minutes playlists back when I was like 14. I hope I still have those around somewhere. I could totally fill in a whole lot of those gaps around '96 or '97.

Mike Ouderkirk (Mike Ouderkirk), Thursday, 22 January 2004 11:03 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.davekendall.com/animgif3/animgif3.gifhttp://www.tvacres.com/images/frank_burns.jpg

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Thursday, 22 January 2004 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Scary, ain't it?

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Thursday, 22 January 2004 14:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, now the "post-postmodern" label that appears on certain MTV videos finally makes sense to me. It's completely wrong and idiotic, but at least it has context.

BrianB (BrianB), Thursday, 22 January 2004 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)


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