YOUNG DRO vs GUCCI MANE

dro

best thang votin'

good poll. last year at this time i might have voted dro but gucci's far surpassed him in terms of sheer number of dope songs/verses. altho as much as i love gucci idk if anyone can touch dro when he really gets on a roll on a verse. basically if he drops a hot first bar it's lights out.

of course if we're taking fashion into account there's a clear and decisive winner

yeah GM might have quantity on his side but i much prefer YD -- really i'm just glad Dro has kind of become pretty respected lyricist (even if in just a good-for-a-ringtone-rapper way) without there being some awful "he's a genius! he's mentally retarded!" extremist debate among bloggers like w/ Gucci

i feel like this is kinda the perfect time for a head-to-head for them.

dro seems to be going in a new more on-trend direction that some of his die hards aren't really feeling and losing some of his rap crit cred, while gucci is obviously just getting more and more popular with mainstreamers and gaining credulity in those crit circles.

their trajectories are kinda crossing right now, if that makes any sense

lol no idea how credulity got in there

meant to write CREDIBILITY

i dunno if Dro is losing support/cred/something else so hard to define per se -- he's probably dropping good songs and guest verses as consistently as he ever has right now, i think it's just frustrating to watch him, 3 years on from his first album, still lobbing out not-good-enough attempts at lead singles and taking a backseat to Yung LA, so you kinda wonder how long he can just just coast like this, without either landing another hit and dropping an album or getting further and further away from that ever happening.

plus Atlantic shelving the Paper Trail re-release is the first step to confirming my fears that while T.I.'s away everyone on Grand Hustle is just going to languish and spin their wheels

gucci mane's larger-than-life personality stands out more and is more interesting to me but i like young dro's best stuff this year more

gucci's prolific nature is a bit wearying now for me...he's not the kind of rapper i want to listen to endlessly, he works best in small doses. i guess i don't actually have to d/l all those mixtapes tho.

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justice is served imo

'Lo Life' kinda sucks...getting a little worried about Dro while Gucci just keeps making fire tracks and mixtapes

yeah he's morphing into yung la

yeah GM might have quantity on his side but i much prefer YD -- really i'm just glad Dro has kind of become pretty respected lyricist (even if in just a good-for-a-ringtone-rapper way) without there being some awful "he's a genius! he's mentally retarded!" extremist debate among bloggers like w/ Gucci

― trife's rich padgettry (some dude), Monday, July 20, 2009 3:07 PM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ugh your whole spiel w this is pretty tired Al ... Gucci's a much better & more consistently interesting rapper than Dro right now, no question.

i dont think i ever said "genius" in the entire original piece on gucci btw

but keep riding that fence, its the safest spot

gucci's way more creative at this point ... the breadth of imagery & his pallet of available ways of talking about things is still refreshing itself daily & he's still not repeating himself

whereas Dro's basically coasting on his first album's lyrical innovations

i like both of them but its not even close & if anything im guessing this poll is more about jordan & i evangelizing than anything else (which is part of why i cant stand your stance on this -- its like yr responding to what a few folks are saying on a message board, i dont get any feel for an honest reaction from you on what hes actually doing musically)

& its not even like my position here is some weird one -- i work w/ hundreds of teens & 20somethings @ a ballpark & if you ask them what music they're bumping i bet youd be hard pressed to find anyone still checking Dro singles while Gucci is the biggest shit in the world (or just under Lil Wayne anyway)

i didn't say gucci wasn't more popular than dro

also at this point you guys aren't really even in the extremist wing of gucci boosters

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh5PQ7wQ66ayCEQy32

listen to gucci's verse on this & tell me hes not on another level entirely right now

AND THE AROMA FROM THE ARIZONA STRONGER THAN AMMONIA

is that really that much better than,

WE KEEP THEM CHICKENS, I'M A BREAST MAN

Yung Ralph : Gucci :: Yung LA : Dro

???

yes xp

WE KEEP THEM CHICKENS, I'M A BREAST MAN

― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Thursday, August 6, 2009 10:50 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

it's not so much about punchlines - and this is only okay - as it is the density of gucci's verses. so yes they are incomparable.

sarcasm

ok

these results are so rong

whatever happened to R.I.P.

lol results

without there being some awful "he's a genius! he's mentally retarded!" extremist debate among bloggers like w/ Gucci

― trife's rich padgettry (some dude), Monday, July 20, 2009 3:07 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark

lol

why is that lol? have people started having that kind of argument re: Dro?

anyway the results of this are like Ne-Yo vs. The-Dream, in retrospect they're clearly shaped by the fact that one hadn't peaked yet and the other had

these results are kinda crazy in retrospect buuuuuuuuuuuuut i would obv put 'best thang smokin' up w/ any actual gucci full length

why is that lol? have people started having that kind of argument re: Dro?

― Ridin Clean Leadin Dagoons Indaghetto (some dude), Monday, November 8, 2010 2:35 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

who was saying he was a 'genius'

anyway the results of this are like Ne-Yo vs. The-Dream, in retrospect they're clearly shaped by the fact that one hadn't peaked yet and the other had

― Ridin Clean Leadin Dagoons Indaghetto (some dude), Monday, November 8, 2010 2:41 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

by 'peaked' i assume you mean, 'peaked in ilx consciousness,' because dream's best album was already out, and gucci was already clearly a bigger deal, when this poll was made. if anything gucci's stock has fallen slightly, not risen, since summer '09, in terms of artistic achievements

its ok to say 'deej otm'

i mean peaked in popular consciousness, dumbass -- Dream's biggest hit/greatest visibility didn't come until later, same way "Wasted" was just breaking when this thread and started and Burrprint/Cold War/State Vs. Radric had an overall higher profile than the mixtapes he had out by that point. i mean, Young Dro had basically gotten all the fans he'll probably ever have, on ilx or otherwise, by well before summer '09, that can not be said of Gucci.

why is that lol? have people started having that kind of argument re: Dro?

― Ridin Clean Leadin Dagoons Indaghetto (some dude), Monday, November 8, 2010 2:35 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

who was saying he was a 'genius'

― holy lolson (deej), Monday, November 8, 2010 7:28 PM (2 hours ago)

i thought it was implied when you wrote pieces about the dozens of songs of his you loved that you thought the guy was good at his job

i mean seriously what is even the point of moving goalposts around inch by inch by inch every day just to 'win' some nonsensical argument you insisted on having in the first place

also important in this poll is that back when it was started i think there was still this feeling that dro had the potential to continue his greatness -- now... not really at all

also important in this poll is that back when it was started i think there was still this feeling that dro had the potential to continue his greatness -- now... not really at all

― J0rdan S., Monday, November 8, 2010 9:15 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

whereas Dro's basically coasting on his first album's lyrical innovations

― butthurt (deej), Wednesday, August 5, 2009 4:37 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i thought it was implied when you wrote pieces about the dozens of songs of his you loved that you thought the guy was good at his job

― Ridin Clean Leadin Dagoons Indaghetto (some dude), Monday, November 8, 2010 9:14 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

so you think our piece was exaggerating the quality of his material? did you opinion change before or after he became more popular? is this related to why you werent feeling lemonade until this year

poll driven music crit

why does me thinking you think he's a genius mean i think you're exaggerating the quality of his material?

it's not like i put 'genius' in scarequotes or anything, you did that

i dunno, your seeming frustration with the 'debate' between whether he was GENIUS or A RETARD implies you wouldnt do something as risky as take sides

i didnt feel like we were being hyperbolic or exaggerating what was great about him, but i certainly was getting accused of that a lot

if i was referring to extreme opinions on Gucci, why would I say "he's very good!" vs. "he's mentally retarded!"?

i mean are you even thinking about the futility of the word game you're trying to play here?

seriously, deej, you're not smart enough to corner anyone with this kind of lame gotcha shit.

whereas Dro's basically coasting on his first album's lyrical innovations

― butthurt (deej), Wednesday, August 5, 2009 4:37 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

― holy lolson (deej), Monday, November 8, 2010 9:19 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

i think dro was still releasing good music into 09 -- i remember someone gave a single of his best new music on pitchfork, but the name escapes me -- the lo life mixtape came out after this thread & i think that was the final signal that something wasn't right

if i was referring to extreme opinions on Gucci, why would I say "he's very good!" vs. "he's mentally retarded!"?

― some dude, Monday, November 8, 2010 9:22 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

um this isnt gotcha shit but im certainly smart enough to realize how lame your constant cautiousness can seem
what was 'extreme' about 'my side' of the debate? doesnt the recognition of how silly these thread results are now say something about how 'extreme' the debate was on one side & not the other?

i think dro was still releasing good music into 09 -- i remember someone gave a single of his best new music on pitchfork, but the name escapes me -- the lo life mixtape came out after this thread & i think that was the final signal that something wasn't right

― J0rdan S., Monday, November 8, 2010 9:24 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yes, good music that was still coasting on the 1st lp's lyrical innovations

wasnt bnm'd by the wya

good thing the people justified my point of view for al by making gucci more popular

um this isnt gotcha shit but im certainly smart enough to realize how lame your constant cautiousness can seem
what was 'extreme' about 'my side' of the debate? doesnt the recognition of how silly these thread results are now say something about how 'extreme' the debate was on one side & not the other?

― holy lolson (deej), Monday, November 8, 2010 10:31 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

I'm sorry I don't fall in love with rappers as quickly as you, Marianne Dashwood, I know that makes me dead inside. I'm the only person whose favorite Gucci Mane mixtapes were released after Summer 2009, and that's something you get to lord over me for the rest of our natural lives! Congratulations!

yes, good music that was still coasting on the 1st lp's lyrical innovations

― holy lolson (deej), Monday, November 8, 2010 9:32 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

i don't agree w/ this insofar as there was really nothing wrong w/ dro continuing on w/ his lyrical innovations because they were so innovating & exciting

at the time of this poll i wasn't thinking "oh well dro is still comparing his cars to fruit juices", it was just that gucci had overwhelmed him w/ sheer material

good grief

& anyway tons of my fav gucci songs are the ones where he just kills 'traditional lyricism' very much in the same way dro did

i know that's a big sticking point b/w the two of us tho

I mean I'm not the one looking at the results and saying "how silly! how foolish we were!" Like I said, I think it makes sense given the time frame, and I'll still take Dro's best over Gucci's best, although clearly he's got less top shelf material and it's mostly much older.

I'm sorry I don't fall in love with rappers as quickly as you, Marianne Dashwood, I know that makes me dead inside. I'm the only person whose favorite Gucci Mane mixtapes were released after Summer 2009, and that's something you get to lord over me for the rest of our natural lives! Congratulations!

― some dude, Monday, November 8, 2010 9:35 PM (40 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

sorry some dude that i took offense when you called an argument i was a part of 'awful' & treated it like BOTH SIDES were being crazy.

you may have noticed that you have a way of making every argument you're involved in awful

j0rdan i dont think yr understand what i was saying -- gucci was still evolving as a lyrics, dro had basically stuck in stasis that he perfected on his first & was making no motions towards developing further.

obv i like gucci trad lyricism songs too -- i just like them in the context of other styles as well

you may have noticed that you have a way of making every argument you're involved in awful

― some dude, Monday, November 8, 2010 9:39 PM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

speaking of moving goalposts

gucci was still evolving as a *lyricist*

Like I said, I think it makes sense given the time frame, and I'll still take Dro's best over Gucci's best, although clearly he's got less top shelf material and it's mostly much older.

― some dude, Monday, November 8, 2010 9:37 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark

aite i really still disagree -- i think as of summer last year, gucci's catalog had already clearly overwhelmed dro's but agree to disagree on that i guess

lol u guys, this thread

i made a small bet to myself before i fell asleep last night that this would be what this thread would look like in the morning. i won!

lol

i'd like to make an offer to deej to change my display name to "deej otm" for a month if he promises to take a break from backing me into boring arguments. i'm not interested in becoming the interim babysitter for his bitchfits while Whiney's away.

should have offered that earlier. i accept the terms of your agreement

should have offered that earlier.

deej otm!

buuuuuuuuuuuuut i would obv put 'best thang smokin' up w/ any actual gucci full length

had never listened to this, damn it's dope

lol 2010

so this thread aged well lol

still prefer Dro over Gucci Mane

There was an argument to be made for that... in 2006

that would be when i stopped listening to both of these guys so i'm not exactly arguing with you

well 2010, but close enough