Who Has The Worst Fans : Pantera or Black Label Society?

lol black label society....strangely crazy fanbase for sure

I saw a guy wearing a black label society tshirt in my town last week. He looked exactly like one of those dudes in that picture. Not a normal look in Hamilton, Scotland, I assure you.

is there a UK equivalent to Guitar Center? (the native habitat of black label fans)

lol wtf?
http://viajandonacontramao.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/folder11.jpg

i assume you mean music gear shops? Yeah i imagine them and pantera fans frequent there thumbing their noses up at the stone roses fans on the other side of the shop.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/228/483142175_b711b36550_m.jpg

hahahhaa

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yeah but guitar center is sort of like the wal-mart of guitar shops if that makes sense, huge national big box chain...

but anyway certain bands like BLS and dream theater and for some reason terry bozzio from zappa and the drummer from dave matthews are revered there

Black Label Society Brewtality Vest
http://www.teeshirtsrock.com/ProductImages6/BLS2012B.jpg

ahh ok, well i dont play any instruments so I couldnt really answer that. Im not aware of any big chains like that, but that doesnt mean much.

http://i44.tinypic.com/2qjdnw8.jpg

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h140/katrinajones12/BLS1.jpg

I had no idea they were bible thumpers

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/11/2/633612639701708531-blacklabelsociety.jpg

c'mon guys give us punchlines for that pic. Best ones go in a poll!

http://www.fanfromhell.com.mx/portadas_blog/Blacklabelsociety_shottohell.jpg

Matt is this what you mean? http://www.guitarcenter.com/

yep!

ask jjusten about them, evil empire of the music gear biz

seems its US only. Who else frequents guitar centre then?

kids buying their first guitars

drummers who like to "test" shit for hours by making a racket

dads who play in stevie ray vaughn style electric blues bands on the weekend....

they do instore clinics or signing sometimes by some of the types like i mentioned....maybe like joe satriani would be ideal type guitarist

dads who play in stevie ray vaughn style electric blues bands on the weekend....

lol http://gc.guitarcenter.com/kingoftheblues/

hahahahahaha i swear i didn't even see that

Geir should enter

isn't stevie ray too dirty and ethnic for geir?

BLS's bylaws have kind of a Courage Wolf vibe

http://www.banbucket.com/uploads/1248266535.jpg

I really had no idea BLS were so popular. Every shitty metal band I know tries to sound like Pantera cos they think it's easy, so they get my vote.

haha see in some ways guitar center is a necessary evil because it keeps the BLS/SRV/Dream Theater fanbase at bay. maybe i will send them a thank you card

plus they don't do repairs right?

why fix your gear when you can replace it with a shitty beringer amp?

speaking of which...hows yer amp doing?

i didn't realise these bands have fans. suckers.

lots of them too

This should be a poll. Which of the following is the worst idea
News from beyond yonder...

Stay tuned for a BLS, Mudvayne, Static X tour this summer of 2009 coming to a venue near you!!

Zakk Wylde and Gretchen Wilson recorded a cover of Stevie Nicks and Don Henley’s "Leather And Lace" for a country music
compilation due out in 2009.

Zakk also met with Ozzy in mid September concerning the new Ozzy album.

Pantera fans are pretty wide-ranging in their tastes, tending to listen to a whole bunch of different metal bands and like Pantera more than the others; BLS fans are a weird sort of biker cult, it seems to me. As someone who's been listening to mostly metal for the last 25 years, I really don't get what there is to like about BLS. Their songs are an awful soup of stolen Alice In Chains riffs, and Wylde cannot sing worth a shit.

BTW, Neuname, you realize that's a photo of Zakk Wylde and Dimebag Darrell in that photo accompanying the poll, and not just two random BLS fans, right?

Also, current rumor is that Wylde has been fired as Ozzy's guitarist and he didn't even know about it until stories started showing up in the press.

well, the fact he had his name on his jacket did give it away :)

i didnt know ozzy had fired him. I wonder if the truth about ozzfest vs maiden will come out now

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Zakk_Wylde_1256.JPG/800px-Zakk_Wylde_1256.JPG

Matt how is the guitar centre today?

kids buying their first guitars

drummers who like to "test" shit for hours by making a racket

dads who play in stevie ray vaughn style electric blues bands on the weekend....

they do instore clinics or signing sometimes by some of the types like i mentioned....maybe like joe satriani would be ideal type guitarist

― midge url (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:17 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

...Actual touring bands who need strings and volume pedals and drum heads on tour when there's no guitar/drum/DJ shop in whatever town you're in.

I hate BLS. Ever since that stupid Maiden shit went down, they and their fans can all go fuck themselves. The music sucks too. For Pantera fans you can at least argue they have decent taste, though a black mark against them would have to be the fact that ONE OF THEIR FANS KILLED THE GODDAMN LEAD GUITARIST!!!

All the jpgs in this thread are kinda sweet.

omg @ Guitar Center King of the Blues ;_; / O_O

"...Actual touring bands who need strings and volume pedals and drum heads on tour when there's no guitar/drum/DJ shop in whatever town you're in"

Been in a New Jersey Guitar Center last time Jennifer Gentle toured the US. It was quite funny.

...Actual touring bands who need strings and volume pedals and drum heads on tour when there's no guitar/drum/DJ shop in whatever town you're in.

― swag'll rock (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, July 22, 2009 1:15 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah to a degree but that's not even a small percentage of the business for your average guitar center

I know someone who used to work at a guitar center and his descriptions of the way salespeople are paid minimum wage plus a percentage and how they're pitted against each other to hit these stupid weekly targets made it sound like an exploitation-driven snakepit of a workplace.

A friend of a friend from a large-ish band who shall remain nameless made a hilarious and obnoxious prank recording in a San Diego Guitar Center- he walked in (with hidden mic inside) and pretended to be a suburban rich kid and said "My parents want to support my creativity and they've told me that I can start my own band and they will pay for it all. What do I need?" and the salesperson proceeds to just upsell, upsell, upsell like crazy for thirty minutes, piling up this vast mountain of drums and amps and guitars and pedals and effects and everything "Monster-Cable" this and "Deluxe Chrome edition" that etc. Finally at the end the sales person is like "What's your band called, dude?" and he deadpans "Warrior." and the salesperson tries to play along and says "Cooooool, that's a sweet name dude." Then at the end when it's time to pay he says he left his wallet in his car and just leaves. So mean to the poor schmuck but it perfectly illustrates who this store is for and how it works.

friend of a friend sounds like an asshole

I know someone who used to work at a guitar center and his descriptions of the way salespeople are paid minimum wage plus a percentage and how they're pitted against each other to hit these stupid weekly targets made it sound like an exploitation-driven snakepit of a workplace.

^^ this is how all retail works

yeah. i mean there's been some decent dudes that work at guitar centers, i try not to go there but def have every once in awhile.

honestly after a while you figure out the secret, it's kinda like home depot or target, you assume shit is SO MUCH cheaper cuz it's so big and overwhelming but it's really not...

best guitar center story i have:

i was looking at getting a new bass rig and we were looking at some amps and cabinets...i said...well this says 8 ohm but the head is a 4ohm, he's like "oh ohms don't really matter"...at that point i was like..um i'm going somewhere else.

twin cities are lucky to have a lot of good indie stores though, so i can totally see the need for guitar centers in a lot of cities and towns....

I just hate Guitar Center for the nasty way they unload overpriced crap on suckers- I recall seeing a young working class Latino guy and his pregnant wife and he was there to buy a cable for his gear and the saleman was hardselling them into buying a "MonsterCable" for 30 bucks instead of a perfectly fine Hosa 1/4" cable for 7 bucks and the customer was literally looking at the cable and then at his pregnant wife with the worried it's-too-expensive look on her face and the salesman was running the "trust me m'am, this one is the safest choice" routine on him and he caved and spent the 30 bucks. Yuck. It was a corny, cartoonish situation that sounds implausible when I type it out but the lived experience of it was gross.

Yeah duh all retail works that way but the desperation of the employees is at used-car-salesman levels while the profits are so teensy that it just seems really not worth it.

Are websites like Musician's Friend and Sweetwater Sound killing them? Or is it a diff. bracket?

monster cable is really one of the worst businesses ever

Please talk about that here:

Monster Cable

Guitar Centre doesn't sound like a very nice place but I assume for most people they have no alternative.

but why do BLS fans populate it so much?

I get in fights with the Guitar Center dudes about giving them my address.

I want to buy a pair of drumsticks, not rent a car, assholes

^ every generation gets the bill hicks it deserves

lmao

I can't believe that no one has touched on the real problem with Guitar Center, which is that if you go to one you have to listen to the sound of 20 different people playing guitar at once. I may not even try to expand on that, as I try not to relive the experience too often, but imagine all of the demographics mentioned above (weekend Clapton-worshipper, 4th-tier metal shredder, Satriani/Vai guy, whatever 12-16 year old beginning guitar kids are into ...) playing at once and competing to be heard over each other. This is happening ALL THE TIME mind you.

unfortunately a lot of ppl who were at small music gear stores are pricks too. see the time i asked a guy in a random store who wouldn't unbox a $150 delay pedal apparently because i didn't look like i could pay for it or something. fuck that guy, his store closed and i saw him liquidating guitars on ebay--he had a guitar i wanted but i bought it from someone else.

I can't believe that no one has touched on the real problem with Guitar Center, which is that if you go to one you have to listen to the sound of 20 different people playing guitar at once.

This doesn't so much strike me as a problem with "Guitar Center" as much as it is a problem with "guitarists".

there are usually 20 different guitarists playing different things in one place?

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glenn branca to thread

Next ILX FAP should be at a guitar centre

oh god no

Well, we could hold it here:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ILBJp2yvAW4/SAJ_9JbwLPI/AAAAAAAAANo/oxUlshM1Ruo/s400/guitars.jpg

ATTN JOHN

YOU NEED TO BUY THOSE GUITARS

I think Dan is getting old. He wont go to the gathering of the juggalos and now he wont go to an ILX FAP at a guitar centre.

I would NEVER go to The Gathering of Juggalos because I don't do conventions.

I won't go to a Guitar Center FAP because they do not serve beer; I am not drinking Monster Cables.

But he would go to see Doraemon rock out on guitar.

rock out AS a guitar, you mean

Or both.

beer & shredders would be a bad combination

I know someone who used to work at a guitar center and his descriptions of the way salespeople are paid minimum wage plus a percentage and how they're pitted against each other to hit these stupid weekly targets made it sound like an exploitation-driven snakepit of a workplace.

^^ this is how all retail works

― goole, Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:04 PM (Yesterday)

nah dude its way way grosser than std retail - they sell those poor dumb kids on how much commission they'll make w/o mentioning that your wage is faded against the commission. which means that until your earned commission exceeds minimum wage, thats all you get (and i think that the commission rate is like 2% on avg, so as long as captain high school can sell $100000 a month hes well on his way to making $24K a year!

which explains the hyper upsell approach. its called desperation.

first angry post here sums it up pretty well: http://forum.recordingreview.com/f16/truth-about-guitar-center-4251/

whoa

wow okay that is maaaad fucked up and now i really will never ever ever buy anything there again.

yeah i had a dude apply for a job here that was their top non management salesman dude for three months running who was living in his car in their parking lot because he couldn't afford the gas for his commute. no lie.

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i don't know much about black label society, but pantera fans circa 1996 were some of the biggest knuckledragging idiots on the planet. see, this was the tour where phil nightly thanked metallica for releasing the piece of shit "load" and proclaimed themselves the kings of metal (something i'm sure that Manowar did not approve of).

now granted in retrospect they were right about load, but it was pretty sad considering how bad the great southern trendkill was. their fans saw it fit to use this as proof that pantera was the greatest most extreme band ever...and while, at the time, they were pretty extreme for the mainstream, it got old fast.

i'd get in arguments about how bad their last two albums were and be told i 'couldn't handle them' despite having albums by cryptopsy and dying fetus in my collection.

i still like cowboys and vulgar...but i'd rather listen to exhorder's slaughter in the vatican anyday. totally underrated.

dime's death was a tragedy tho :(

kings of metal? hahaha

yea, as far as i know the only band that has ever been allowed to proclaim themselves kings of metal was Manowar, and it was extremely undeserved.

phil's obsession with being 'extreme' wound up causing them to downplay their melodic tendencies to the point where they were pretty much nonexistent on far beyond driven and great southern trendkill. then he must have realized fans liked some melody and they tried to infuse it on reinventing the steel but that album reinvented sedation because that shit was flat out boring.

and man, how gross is the original cover to far beyond driven? (nsfw, I guess)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_beyond_driven

what the hell?

but far beyond driven does have one of the few pantera riffs I can still remember after all these years: "i'm broken"

credit where credit is due, that's a pretty one.

It's the only one I can remember

oops. that's a pretty GOOD one.

def. not a pretty riff. :-o

This is funny, I just saw some guy wearing a Black Label Society jacket, on a Greyhound bus yesterday. I didn't know it was a band. He turned out to be a well-behaved bus rider, despite his formidable appearance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f97DMQ9TmLs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edWPj0N3w90

I feel like Black Label Society fans are just the older, more evolved version of ICP fans that have learned to communicate outside of grunts and ditched the makeup.

like I see this band listed as a fav on lots of people's FBs and yet I'll be damned if I ever hear anybody talk about them or if I could even hum a tune of theirs. I love guitar squeals as they appear on some of my fav metal discs but if banning them would result in a Zakk Wylde-less world then I would be prepared to make that sacrifice.

I'd say the original premise of the thread is a bit of a trick question, as I'd say 95% of the fans of Black Label Society are fans of Pantera.

quite possible.

plus fuck guitar squeals