Heathen Chemistry - just fucking shoot them and have done with it

yes. interesting how gallagher has pushed the line that 'yes, the last 2 were crap, now we've gone back to basics, prove we're the best rock'n'roll band in the country' blah blah, and certain sections of the press have basically reprinted this as an actual review!!! he gets to write his own reviews. heh heh!

i know 3 people that are going to that finsbury park gig this weekend. i can't think of anything worse...

Why get this worked up about such easy targets? (See also *attack* on Brit *culture* t'other thread).

What SHOULD people be doing, then Alison? What do YOU do? Where do YOU go? What do YOU listen to?

In other words, "fuck off newbie," is that what you're saying?

Typical, of course. We can't have people coming on here expressing different opinions to yours with passion, can we? For having the nerve to have a go at your sacred fucking cows, "doctor" C? Football and Oasis? Oh no, can't criticise either, can we? Must toe the party line; otherwise the Stalinist whip comes out to get us awkward individuals back into the fucking gulag.

Fine, whatever. I'll go away again. I've got the message. You're not wanted. You're an outsider. You're not one of us. Fuck off. Newbie. OK, Dr C, I'm off now. No need to say anything else. Really there isn't. You don't need to come with me.

Bunch of self-important arseholes.

i do think it is interesting though how the press seemed to have parrotted the company line about the 'back to basics' thing, i haven't heard the album (or indeed any of their albums) but the 'bloatedness' people talk about of the 3rd and 4th albums seemed to be in evidence on the singles from the 2nd. also saw a strange interview with Noel, about how they were trying to be the beta band or something. cant see how thats anything to aim for anyway, but, to me, they have always sounded pretty much the same

**In other words, "fuck off newbie," is that what you're saying?**

No.

**We can't have people coming on here expressing different opinions to yours with passion, can we?**

Wrong - it's one of the main reasons I come here. But we AGREE on several things - Oasis are shit, mindless lad-culture is shit etc. Problem is, your hysterical rants are every bit as one-dimensional as the morons you're attacking.

**For having the nerve to have a go at your sacred fucking cows, "doctor" C? Football and Oasis?**

Hardly.

**Fine, whatever. I'll go away again. I've got the message. You're not wanted. You're an outsider...**

Whatever.

Oooooh, Oasis are bad, bad, bad! The British music press is evil, evil, evil!

The award for stating such blindingly obvious things that IL* has no choice but to retort to sarcasm goes to... wait, you can't be d**mp*tr*l, he *likes* Oasis. Damn, there goes my £5.

I have successfully avoided listening to the new Oasis album. However, I'm happy to report that "Heathen" (the Bowie album) turned out to be far better than I was actually expecting. (Not saying much, but still.)

Agree with Gareth except I'd go further and say anything's better than 'Morning Glory'. Even their new stuff. What on earth did people see in that album? Everything that was good about 'Definitely Maybe' was surgically excised or pumped full of hot air.

You mean there was something good about Definitely Maybe?

Oh yeah, there's always room for more versions of "I'd like to buy the world a coke"!

my favourite bit about the *fuck off newbies* thing is just how untrue it is, people on this board bend over backward to try and engage every single person that comes in here full of aggro (or passion, depending which way you see it). as ramosi said, we actually make too much to indulge every single angry boy going, and do they appreciate it??!! heh heh!

at least none of you dudes had to stay in some kentish town craphouse well the people in the room next to me (students yo, but you knew that right?) bellowed at the hindu times at full blast. singing along, no wait! shouting along! man, those dudes were all, like, home counties specialists with the oasis fixation. my accent? hell, they would have killed for it (like they could tell the difference between bradford and manchester anyway!)

Blessed are the ones who can enjoy some music without overly burdening themselves with theories and opinions about cultural context, media images of artist / fans etc. My favourite tracks are Songbird, Little By Little and She Is Love.

"Enjoying some music" is in and of itself an opinion. Apart from that, disliking Oasis is not necessarily requiring of theory - simply to rebut those who would theorise themselves into imposing their pedantic plod upon our cultural lives.

SHIT!

Hahahahahahaha!

"i know 3 people that are going to that finsbury park gig this weekend. i can't think of anything worse..."

spare a thoguht for me... i LIVE there!

really robin? i used to live near there until 2 months ago. i heard destinys child and neil young from my bedroom. i used to live on chatterton road if you know it?

You mean there was something good about Definitely Maybe?
Oh yes- it's wonderful summer car trip music because it sounds great played loud, and you can sing along to it. The only other Oasis that I have is Morning Glory, and I'll agree that it's an overrated album. I do like Champagne Supernova, because it reminds me of high school when it used to be on the radio all the time. The other songs on it, though, are just not that good compared to Definitely Maybe.

No Definitely Maybe is hampered by being able to sing along with it. Since when was singing along with an album an accurate indicator of its quality? It lacks freeform input. The only worthwhile creation of theirs was Noel Gallagher's post-Sharrock howlings and scrapings which climax I Am The Walrus on the Cigarettes and Alcohol CD single, and that would have been better without the song going on behind it, obstructing it. Oasis obstruct the truth and are thus damnable.

Sophie Ellix-Bextor said she didn't want to do a duet with them as were cunts and you can't argue with a goddess like that!

Oasis obstruct the truth = Rock

Hilarious. Absolutely hilarious.

My favourite track is "Born on a Different Cloud" - possibly the best track Oasis have ever done. I wish they hadn't changed the ending of "Better Man" though.

Really Alison, you shouldn't take life so seriously - it's just rock'n'roll, you know?

I love Oasis.

It is not rock 'n' roll I know. I do not know rock 'n' roll. Music is not a plaything - it's as serious as your life. Rock is like a rock which has tumbled from an overhead cliff, landing foursquare atop the motorway and obstacling your journey through life. A life journey should be spontaneous and freeform - not worrying about how much my songs are going to sound like the Beatles, albeit the crasser numbers in their oeuvre as opposed to more challenging opi such as Carnival of Light and What's The New Mary Jane? Qualities which clip- on ties would never understand.

That was a lyric. Just my little joke.

What's wrong with clip on ties? I wouldn't have thought you'd know the difference, what with you being a lady and all...

andrew, presumably you have the new album? is it true that it is *back to basics* or is it a party line? as an oasis fan, what was your opinion of the 3rd and 4th albums?

Do not dare to tell jokes. Do not presume upon my sartorial preferences. Clip-ons are cheap. Real Windsor knots are de rigueur. Oasis are aliens to both and ergo value-free. They can hardly be said to have gone back to basics as they have never strayed from the basics to begin with; like ineducable 15-year-old wastrels whose mind cannot grasp any number greater than one, regardless of textbooks or ether.

Hello Gareth.

I liked Be Here Now a lot. I thought SOTSOG was disappointing. I think Heathen Chemistry is probably better than either. Of all their albums, it's probably closest to Be Here Now in terms of the sound.

Obviously they're going to try to spin this as a "back to their roots" exercise, because that was the point at which they were most popular. Also, they have a settled line up now and I think the point Noel has been trying to make in interviews is that the band have returned to how they used to operate, ie, as a band rather than the fragmented unit they were during SOTSOG...

For the record, I don't actually like "Stop Crying..." that much. And "She is Love" is pretty awful, but the album is still one of the best things I've heard this year. Honest guv.

I just can't believe that JULIE BURCHILL herself would even bother to join in our little anal forum! What will she get worked up about next? Mobile phones? Students? Alcopops? Go, girl, go.

My targets are scarcely predictable, but all bar I are seemingly scared to tackle them with realistic brio. So Oasis are attackable by dint of consequent cultural mores and the general degradation of the British public which arises from same. Thus the rationale for the original post.

That's interesting, cos I would consider Oasis to be pretty much sitting ducks as far as ILM is concerned. I'm the only person I know who actually still likes them.

yes, they are sitting ducks as far as ilm is concerned (and i'm no exception), but isn't ned raggett still doing the oasis list or something? presumably he still likes them?

andrew, maybe you should move to leeds. every time i go back it seems everyone likes oasis even more than they did last time!

and surely beardy hindle still likes oasis?

GET ME A SMART BOMB ! LAZER GUIDED TO RID OASIS FROM THE WORLD!

I have had enough, walk into a newasgents there are a Q and NME Oasis special mags, turn Xfm on.. flaming Oasis trailer ads, walk into a music store ...instore promotions with Oasis new album, and the WORST news NO Flo-Motion, Nick Luscombe NEXT sunday on Xfm..instead OASIS in concert.

Blinking-heck this is like the BAD Old days of 94/95/96. I hated everything about in Oasis from Spring 94 onwards, and 8 years later it is just as bad.

Oasis = Ordinary music for dullards and dorks.

Lets see the return of Bark Psychosis and Killing Joke for the music that mattered of 94 continued

yeah, he does actually, I stand corrected.

...and I don't mind being called a dork, but I think dullard is a little over the top :)

Hurrah for DJ Martian!

Not sure about Killing Joke in '94, though.

AW - you like the strokes as well? double dork ! ;)

[what did "kate the saint" say about AW - he likes the music i don't. Ditto]

Alison, check this ILM thread for 1994

Oh come on, you're making me blush! I hardly ever post anything and yet you've remembered all about me! It's nice to know I've made an impression. Good luck with the Killing Joke thing.

with the modernage in the e-mail, it was a memory jogger

Oasis = Ordinary music for dullards and dorks.
"Hey nice to meet you. Oh... what t-shirt are you wearing? Oh Oasis. Boring twat. Now get out of my life."

Mark S, I remember you saying it was funny how music could turn you off people (and not become friends with'em). Now, it's my time to say: "Fuck, I NEVAH do that. I rather wait before I make judgement of someone's personality - not (exclusively) base it on the music they listen to."

Can someone explain "lad-culture" to me? Is it the basic equiv to being a "jock" in the US?

thats a thread in itself! yes, fairly similar, fighting drinking shagging shouting 'birds'n'booze'

''My targets are scarcely predictable, but all bar I are seemingly scared to tackle them with realistic brio.''

It's not that. we've done Oasis. we're reserveing our bile for the Strokes and the White stripes. And Nu-metal and a lot of other targets.

''Since when was singing along with an album an accurate indicator of its quality? It lacks freeform input. The only worthwhile creation of theirs was Noel Gallagher's post-Sharrock howlings and scrapings which climax I Am The Walrus on the Cigarettes and Alcohol CD single, and that would have been better without the song going on behind it, obstructing it. Oasis obstruct the truth and are thus damnable.''

I liked the first alb. Are you comparing Noel gallager to Sonny sharrock here? Please don't (if you are)! And can you tell what is truth? I'd like to know?

although a jock might be a QB in school and pay more attention to appearance, lad culture plays lip service to appearance (but then, it wouldnt have even done that 10-15 years ago)

uk lad culture is now, possibly, a simulacra. 1. it has been subtly feminized, certainly appearance wise. 2 class structure of uk different now, rise of mens mags (from gq - loaded) acting as instruction manuals in lad culture, so, to an extent, created - ie, many 'lads' in uk middle class. possible guilt issues re this - acts as instruction manual to be working class also (prole fetishization in uk at all time high). so, simultaneously feminized and pseduo- masculinized into media creation that bares little resemblance to lad culture of 70s? ironized as well, of course, confusing for many, participants included

"RFI: Laddism" has just been started on ILE (gareth go post!!)

LOL

Alison rips 'The Hindu Times' for not having "a tune by which they (listeners) could sing it"; subsequently when someone talks about singing along to Definitely Maybe, she attests that 'singalong- ability' should not be counted in evaluating music.

Which is it?

Earlier someone said "It's just rock n' roll". I think that sums up Oasis. They (Noel) write(s) catchy pop-rock songs. They have two terrific vocalists. Many great songs (esp. factoring in the B-side catalogue) They turned out not to be as good as the '95-96 hype' indicated. They're not particularly original, versatile, nor are they tour de force musicians...

"But I like it, like it, yes I do..."

Who is this "we" Mr Dis Sonance? It does not include me and is therefore inaccurate terminology. Do not dare to presume that I am part of the "we" cynosure. If you mean "you" say "you", i.e. "I" id est "Julio" as opposed to a spurious and non-existent "we."

Your liking of the first Oasis album is suspect and undermines all other aesthetic pronouncements previously pronounced by you. Although Mr "gallager"'s freeform guitar on Walrus compares favourably with the frankly over-restrained and overtly tasteful comments strummed by Mr Sharrock on, for instance, his "Ask the Ages" album, if not with his eczematous eruptions on the first Last Exit album, let alone towering monoliths such as "Black Woman" and "Monkey Pockie Boo."

"What Is Truth" is a Johnny Cash song from 1972, and verily I can tell it.

Re: 'Ask the Ages': who in Oasis = Pharoah Sanders, tho?

Can someone explain "lad-culture" to me?
What version do you want? Marcello's or a lad's version?

Marcello, We =Used by the writer to indicate the writer along with another or others as the subject. This may or may NOT include you.

N: It is insufficiently specific. Quantify and qualify terms such as "we" clearly indicating who is and is not included in beliefs which are propagated under said banner.

AL:

Alan White = Rashied Ali, obv.

Gem Archer and Andy Bell = Bill Laswell, filling a gap.

Liam, therefore, by dint = Pharoah Sanders; similarly trying to recapture a fire which drizzled out years ago. And on the quiet the best member of the group, musically and aesthetically - just like Pharaoh was continents ahead of Coltrane in the latter's later groups.

''Your liking of the first Oasis album is suspect and undermines all other aesthetic pronouncements previously pronounced by you.''

It's not as great as other things I like at the moment and I haven't heard the alb in at least the lat 5 years but it was very good when it came out. You sound as if you are too 'cool' to like something like that though you sound as if you had faith in them once. I mean, you bothered to listen to some Oasis tracks from their latest and post a thread abt it whereas I wouldn't even bother as it's not even the same band anymore!

''It does not include me and is therefore inaccurate terminology. Do not dare to presume that I am part of the "we" cynosure. If you mean "you" say "you", i.e. "I" id est "Julio" as opposed to a spurious and non-existent "we."''

Read the post again. It is not meant to include ''you''. We= a number of ILM members. I haven't seen you around here before so it wouldn't include you unless you are here disguised as a regular member?

ILM is an organism that sucks you in to the collective. You are part of that 'we' and you cannot escape.

''Although Mr "gallager"'s freeform guitar on Walrus compares favourably with the frankly over-restrained and overtly tasteful comments strummed by Mr Sharrock on, for instance, his "Ask the Ages" album, if not with his eczematous eruptions on the first Last Exit album, let alone towering monoliths such as "Black Woman" and "Monkey Pockie Boo."''

Never heard i am the walrus, i only bought the first alb (didn't have much money to spend on buying singles, is that when 'I am the walrus' came out?) and stopped listening afetr I bought the second alb.

Having heard the reissue of 'Monkey pockie boo' (couldn't find 'black woman') a few weeks back i am surprised by the comparison. It never reminded of Noel but then again you compare this to some of his 'tasteful' moments.

Wow, this is almost like when I first came here last year, you insufferable cunts.

Nick- if you can't take the heat then go outside and play frisbee with yr dog. Buy the new Oasis alb and use it as that frisbee.

You may use it as a pizza cutter as well.

nick: heh heh heh! except this time, i think i might agree with you!

Talking about frisbees: the inventor just died. Julio, using your dog as a frisbee is a bad idea. Tried it once, the *bitch* just fell on the ground.

Nath- This is sad news! Sadder than even the fact that Oasis still exist.

If that's how you treat your dog, then I just hope your boyfriend doesn't try and cheat on you.

Hey, Nick, always good to hear from you. Why not use Danny out of Embrace as a frisbee? :)

but isn't ned raggett still doing the oasis list or something?

Sure do. Should be getting the album tonight.

Oasis=reactionary music in every way -- be it their nostalgic clip art melodies or their control over the media or the Gallagher side show or the sentimental pap that is their lyrics or even Laddism, the monobrowed philosophy of football hooliganism via pop music -- at least Oasis finally convinced Alan McGee that it was time to put Creation out of its misery.

Shit Chemistry.

i saw the trailer for the eminem movie, maybe curtis hanson will show a young eminem singing along to 'definitely maybe'?

don't insult chemistry davidM, just insult Oasis instead.