Thrash vs Doom

Black Metal vs Death Metal

didn't know what to vote for in the other one, but this is trash for sure.

(ST - How Will I Laugh Tomorrow!)

Ludooooo, thrash is met *twee* h's, potverdorie. Zoveelste keer!

Sorry. Voted dooooom.

Doom easy. Like some thrash, love some doom.

lol @ thijs, the others weren't spelling it right either, were they? ;)

I love me some biker doom (St. Vitus, all the various Wino bands, Gates of Slumber) but stoner doom and funeral doom and especially frilly-shirt Euro doom all leave me cold, so thrash it is.

unsurprisingly it's doom for me

Thrash gets my vote, I'm still a sucker for that stuff after 25 years.

If we're listening to cassettes, Coroner's Punishment for Decadence will crush all, but any other time, doom is it.

i always found most thrash boring tbh. Plus I always hated those people who said metal had to be fast to be heavy or extreme.

I always hated those people who said metal had to be fast to be heavy or extreme.

I don't think that's the case at all, but I still prefer thrash because it's got some loose ties to punk and mostly seems more unconcerned about skillz than some other subgenres. No slam on doom, though.

The only nu-thrash band I've heard in years that I really like is Futur Skullz. myspace.com/futurskullz

I hear good doom all the time.

But yes I love Coroner too!

there's lots of decent nu-thrash out there, but it's also almost impossible to stand out. everyone is trying so hard to stay troo to that original bay area template. i definitely got a kick out of that latino cali explosion of underground thrash worship, but at the end of the day, have any of those dudes made anything better or more imaginative than the original bands that they ape? not really. every once in a while you get something like municipal waste or blood tsunami. if anything, i guess i should thank the new dudes for reminding me to listen to old stuff i'd forgotten about and for being somewhat responsible for some of the cool reissues that have swamped the market the last couple of years.

Yeah there is no such thing as a new Ride the Lightning or Killing Technology or No More Color.

But the Futur Skullz takes on more of the Justice-era shit, with some unexpected twists and turns. Me likey.

mostly seems more unconcerned about skillz than some other subgenres.

I don't feel like this is really true of thrash after the absolute inception of the genre... like Venom were an exception rather than a rule just a few years after Venom broke out

Gotta be thrash for me.

I'm listening to Grief right now, but I'm voting thrash.

boooooo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpVUMuLLqug

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQHCTT2t1lE

Awesome! I'd never seen any Saint Vitus performance footage before.

Thrash is probably my favourite kind of metal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5s0YQfCoTc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABjq6ocg9To

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-BcGcuYviM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ajyssOQQic

dude chill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07DZBBd81e4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DODAA978d9A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKH1nbXEo6A

voting thrash just to see how many more saint vitus videos you post

last song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0kM-2JG2iY

man, st. vitus really liked black flag.

they were on greg ginn's label.

I wanted to make a snarky joke about how then where's my Meat Puppets cover of "Six-Pack", but then I did some searching and found out they covered "No Values" for the Lovedolls soundtrack. : P

Bill is correct

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

I forgot about this poll

Torn

I'm not.

I love classic thrash, and I've tried listening to some of the newer thrash stuff, but I agree with this:

have any of those dudes made anything better or more imaginative than the original bands that they ape? not really. every once in a while you get something like municipal waste or blood tsunami. if anything, i guess i should thank the new dudes for reminding me to listen to old stuff i'd forgotten about and for being somewhat responsible for some of the cool reissues that have swamped the market the last couple of years.

― scott seward

On the other hand, it seems like I can count on doom to produce at least a few records a year that blow me away. Doom it is.

doom will probably win but coroner owns pretty much any doom band I can think of unless you count sabbath. plus sarcofago, I mean like nobody's better than sarcofago. and voivod. and sodom. ratos de porao. I mean, to me, generic doom is probably better than generic thrash, but great thrash cleans the floor with great doom.

I don't remember what it was about Coroner I didn't like when I was huge thrash fan. Might be time for a thrash revival.

j0hn sorry to be offtopic but did you s Sarcofago live in a basement in Brazil?

doom is obviously the more loaded genre, cuz let's face it we're not exclusively talking about my dying bride, anathema and paradise lost here. we obviously have the likes of electric wizard, saint vitus and sunn (???) in check.

thrash nevertheless wins for me cuz as a genre it has produced so much astounding music it's not funny.

no it's just a story

really appreciate it if my brothers in metal could pretend my day job as far as they know is yard help at the local golf course or something & not be dragging my real-life in ok, ilx is a fun escape from real life for me, thx

sorry j0hn. it was just something I read on another board having a go at you. I have no idea how it references your day job (unless its a line from one of your songs,which sorry i didnt know that!)

no sweat H. it's a song line from a song called sarcofago live sung from the point of view of an audience member at a pre-first-demo show. I have never been to Brazil. I did see Celtic Frost on the Into The Pandemonium tour though. At Fender's. In Long Beach. Because I am awesome like that.

every metal person I talk to never stopped saying poseur which right is pronounced poser but in Cali we spelled it french style because one of the shops on melrose that stocked punk stuff was called poseur

uh, in the California town where I grew up, it was pronounced and spelled "poser"

your town was posing

dude, you called it "Cali" that's such a poser thing to say.

Ex-San Diego vote for "poser" here, but I also say "cali"

city or suburbs?

I say (and spell it) "poser." Nobody in NJ ever used the term "hesher," but I heard that from one of my female cousins years ago and couldn't even figure out what the hell it was supposed to mean, I mean, it's not like "hesh" is a verb...

I think it derives from "hessian" ... I'd never heard it growing up.

I think in parts of England the term used by chavs is Mosher but emo's and goths get called that too I think. Anyone who is different to them they hate anyway.

city xp

dude, you called it "Cali" that's such a poser thing to say.

it's true I am posing hard right now, what can I say sometimes you just feel like posing

i first heard "hessian" as a derogatory-but-in-a-loving-way term for metalheads by hipsters in the late 90s and found it hilarious.

just watched rules of the game. now I'm imagining a scathing critique of class but the metal version where everyone talks about heshers and posers.

not in french, obv.

(sorry, blut aus nord.)

when i was growing up in southern cali it was "hesher," but seemed to mutate into "hessian" later on. hesher was almost a synonym for stoner early on.

you're all tourists

YOU WHAT?

burn in hell dOrkness crew
you bigheaded loosers
with the high pitched screams
you think thats good guitar solos
dorkness fans well you havent heard a thing called
HEAVY METAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

its more to them than just a job
and while im lsitennig i aint robbed
dorkness are a band who are told how to play
it just aint that way

when me and my band played live
in our towns biggest hall
we had so many posers
come watch us all

so when we sang about how crap linken park were
they soon walked out
true metallers watched us play
the whole of weston moshed as i played!
i was the bassist of "innocent Faith"
and now we fucknig rule
yeah whimps and posers leave the hall!

damn false metal its all shit
fuck posers like it ses on my iced earth top!!

what is iced earth is it like a dirt snocone

yay for doom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpVUMuLLqug

We should try compiling a cdr of best 70s doom, 80s doom,90s doom,00s doom

I'm in.

Me too.

Great idea. Would probably be most jazzed to hear 80s stuff out of that!

ysi?

someone can start with the 70s one on its own thread then

What do we do? Post Youtube links or album blog links or...?

I think just suggesting a band and track and then a youtube if you want to, and once we have enough tracks someone can compile it and make a ysi?

Nate should do it!

Ok. But I warn you, I'm going to talk about things like the coda in "White Hammer" by Van der Graaf Generator...

go on Nate do the Compile a 70s Doom cdr thread then

um, wouldn't that just consist mostly of Sabbath plus a couple of lesser lights (i would guess)?

there are plenty of lesser lights, not just a couple.

if "primitive man" by jerusalem didn't make the putative CDR i'd be mad.

the idea was everyone could nominate stuff, but nate starts the thread.

Someone made me a 3 cd comp called The Doom that Time Forgot that is chock full of 70s material (most of which I hadn't heard before).

Sure Sabbath has to be on our comp--but there's no shortage of golden heavyweights from that era. Most of those bands simply didn't know they were making doom.

And the 80s disc needs to start with Animal Magnetism - title track.

go for it

im sure it will be great

Nate do it!

Sorry been really busy! It will happen.

yay

the comp never happened did it?

if it did, send me a copy

Are you making an ILX Thrash Comp, bill?

No, i think I'll pass on that.

I thought you preferred 80s metal in general?

yes, generally, and earlier. Early 70s hard rock/metal is really my favorite thing, but I'm pretty much open to any era.

but you're not so fond of thrash or other extreme sub-genres?