Best way to get interest in a band is to reform innit?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 28 August 2009 22:17 (sixteen years ago)
Which faded rock guitarist could replace him in Oasis?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 28 August 2009 22:20 (sixteen years ago)
which one is noel again?
― tylerw, Friday, 28 August 2009 22:20 (sixteen years ago)
Seriously, sometimes it like i don't even exist.
― Ned Trifle II, Friday, 28 August 2009 22:21 (sixteen years ago)
(xpost) The one that's a twunt oh wait...
― the visible spectrum is rainbows (snoball), Friday, 28 August 2009 22:21 (sixteen years ago)
I mean the reason we have old threads is so that we can revivie them when the news is really isn't important enough to warrant another thread. Like there aren't enough Oasis threads.
― Ned Trifle II, Friday, 28 August 2009 22:22 (sixteen years ago)
Ned you revived the same time as I started this. The other oasis thread wasnt on this page.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 28 August 2009 22:23 (sixteen years ago)
Noel Gallagher has announced he is quitting rock band Oasis because he can no longer work with his brother Liam.Noel, the founding member of the band, made the statement on the band's website. He said a series of rows with his brother led to the decision.The guitarist said: "It's with some sadness and great relief to tell you that I quit Oasis tonight."People will write and say what they like, but I simply could not go on working with Liam a day longer.""Apologies to all the people who bought tickets for the shows in Paris, Konstanz and Milan," he added.Earlier it was announced the band had cancelled their second gig in the space of a week because of "an altercation within the band".They had been expected to play the Rock en Seine festival in Paris, but fans at the concert were told by the support band that Oasis would not be performing.Many of the crowd thought it was a joke - until screens at either side of the stage showed the message "as a result of an altercation within the band, the Oasis gig has been cancelled".
Noel, the founding member of the band, made the statement on the band's website. He said a series of rows with his brother led to the decision.
The guitarist said: "It's with some sadness and great relief to tell you that I quit Oasis tonight.
"People will write and say what they like, but I simply could not go on working with Liam a day longer."
"Apologies to all the people who bought tickets for the shows in Paris, Konstanz and Milan," he added.
Earlier it was announced the band had cancelled their second gig in the space of a week because of "an altercation within the band".
They had been expected to play the Rock en Seine festival in Paris, but fans at the concert were told by the support band that Oasis would not be performing.
Many of the crowd thought it was a joke - until screens at either side of the stage showed the message "as a result of an altercation within the band, the Oasis gig has been cancelled".
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 28 August 2009 22:26 (sixteen years ago)
wait I thought Liam was the founding member and Noel had joined later
― go Nick go! Scrub that paint! Scrub it!! Yeah!! (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 28 August 2009 22:31 (sixteen years ago)
me too
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 28 August 2009 22:35 (sixteen years ago)
Jol in
― unban dictionary (blueski), Friday, 28 August 2009 22:35 (sixteen years ago)
Well, just hang on there...
It's all over.
― Ned Trifle II, Friday, 28 August 2009 22:16
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 28 August 2009 22:17
It's not like I actually care or anything, just saying, why not do a search instead of starting another bleedin' Oasis thread, it's not like they need the attention.
Ahh, ignore me, and I'm tired and pissy from insomnia.
― Ned Trifle II, Friday, 28 August 2009 22:39 (sixteen years ago)
I prefer his voice, so I welcome his possible solo career.
― StanM, Friday, 28 August 2009 22:40 (sixteen years ago)
This will last as long as a Brett Favre retirement!
― jetfan, Friday, 28 August 2009 22:40 (sixteen years ago)
It's time to resurrect the old tradition of gentlemen settling their scores in a duel to the death. If we could be sure either brother could count 10 paces, it would be fun to watch them duel.
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 28 August 2009 22:47 (sixteen years ago)
― tylerw, Friday, 28 August 2009 23:20 (26 minutes ago) Bookmark
― b hoy hoy (a hoy hoy), Friday, 28 August 2009 22:49 (sixteen years ago)
http://www.northeastrhinosmcc.co.uk/Members/parker%20thunderbirds.bmp
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 28 August 2009 22:55 (sixteen years ago)
He's the one who's left the band at least five times before.
― James Mitchell, Friday, 28 August 2009 22:55 (sixteen years ago)
except Noel's eyebrow is bushier.
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 28 August 2009 22:57 (sixteen years ago)
Reporting this is like reporting that it's cloudy today, partly sunny tomorrow.
― calstars, Friday, 28 August 2009 23:08 (sixteen years ago)
That's a real shame, they had the potential to be the next Status Quo.
― King Boy on Parole (King Boy Pato), Friday, 28 August 2009 23:32 (sixteen years ago)
If Oasis were smart they wouldn't do anything until the 1990s or Britpop revival is in full swing, then they should call up Bob Geldof's office, say they want to reunite at the next foreign aid concert and then the brothers would write together again, compose some cocaine-fueled ballad about Africa's plight (a sure Christmas #1 in 2015), and tour Europe and America extensively. There, there's the blueprint for the comeback.
― Cunga, Friday, 28 August 2009 23:51 (sixteen years ago)
They should call Graham Coxon.
― dlp9001, Friday, 28 August 2009 23:54 (sixteen years ago)
they still sell out stadiums so im sure 1 failed solo album later Oasis will reform and do big business. They usually take 3 years between albums so it will be business as usual.Will Oasis keep going with another guitarist or session guy? Gem Archer might just write all the songs with Liam. Andy Bell might even get a song or two. Oh Andy Bell could take over on guitar and just get a session bassist.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 28 August 2009 23:57 (sixteen years ago)
Freebase have a couple expendable bassists. Maybe Andy Rourke could get in on some action.
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 28 August 2009 23:58 (sixteen years ago)
Is there a pro-Oasis ILM faction, out of interest?
― chap, Saturday, 29 August 2009 00:00 (sixteen years ago)
I mean apart from Gier.
― chap, Saturday, 29 August 2009 00:01 (sixteen years ago)
Ned
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 29 August 2009 00:01 (sixteen years ago)
This reminds of the time when Liam *quit* the band for a time in the 90s, during their Morning Glory heyday, & he sat & sneered in the balcony as the rest of the band performed for MTV Unplugged. Every once and a while they'd pan over to him, hunched over w/ shades on & looking sullen as hell.
― Pullman/Paxton Revolving Bills (Pillbox), Saturday, 29 August 2009 00:02 (sixteen years ago)
I will still rep for Definitely Maybe
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 29 August 2009 00:05 (sixteen years ago)
and back then they were great live
Youtube or it didn't happen, Pillbox.
― Cunga, Saturday, 29 August 2009 00:08 (sixteen years ago)
NME RIP
― abanana, Saturday, 29 August 2009 00:22 (sixteen years ago)
xpost
from wiki:
After a record breaking two night stand at Knebworth, tension mounted between the Gallaghers when Liam backed out on Oasis' MTV Unplugged set minutes before it was due to start. Noel was forced to fill in at the last minute. Liam claimed to have been struck down with a "sore throat" and that he doesn't like performing acoustically, though Noel claims he was hung-over.[8] Noel was further angered when Liam proceeded to heckle him from the balcony while the band performed. Four days later, Noel was again forced to fill in for Liam on the first gig of their American tour when Gallagher refused to travel to America with the rest of the band, claiming he needed time to buy a house. He was back on stage with Oasis for their next show three days later, but tension between Noel and the rest of Oasis mounted and on 11 September Noel left the tour, causing several media outlets to question the future of the band.
I had some of the deets mixed up a bit, but yeah, looking back on this doesn't do a lot to lend credence to the "Noel has quit the band for good" line of thinking. The whole performance is on YT, piece by piece. I glanced at a couple clips to see if I could find a Liam shot, but to no avail. There definitely there, tho, if you're willing to sift through the clips.
― Pullman/Paxton Revolving Bills (Pillbox), Saturday, 29 August 2009 00:22 (sixteen years ago)
didn't they just say he'd lost his voice?
― unban dictionary (blueski), Saturday, 29 August 2009 00:26 (sixteen years ago)
Yeah, I just posted some rock-solid wiki-facts to clarify my initial post & then admitted to not having a 100% clear recollection of the circumstances - all of that in the post right above yours.
― Pullman/Paxton Revolving Bills (Pillbox), Saturday, 29 August 2009 00:31 (sixteen years ago)
OK, fine. Oasis are history then, but Noel Gallagher will probably make better records on his own. And more musically varied. Should have gotten rid of that gorilla long ago.
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 29 August 2009 00:48 (sixteen years ago)
i say bring on a Noel solo record.
― Bee OK, Saturday, 29 August 2009 02:34 (sixteen years ago)
Yeah we could have a thread about it. And a poll. And a thread about the poll. And then we could poll the thread about the poll.
― tbh sheets (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 29 August 2009 02:40 (sixteen years ago)
YO DAWG WE HEARD YOU LIKE POLLS SO WE PUT A POLL IN YOUR POLL
― King Boy on Parole (King Boy Pato), Saturday, 29 August 2009 02:44 (sixteen years ago)
Wd like to hear Gangsta Andy Bell's opinion on the matter before polling these options tho.
― tbh sheets (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 29 August 2009 02:45 (sixteen years ago)
"Yeah we could have a thread about it. And a poll. And a thread about the poll. And then we could poll the thread about the poll."
― tbh sheets (Noodle Vague)
And then we can tweet about it.
― FEMA Camp Sleepover (leavethecapital), Saturday, 29 August 2009 02:48 (sixteen years ago)
Sometimes I forget ILM is UK-based. Then I see people giving a fuck about Oasis and I remember.
― neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Saturday, 29 August 2009 03:13 (sixteen years ago)
ha
― crappy, use her name (latebloomer), Saturday, 29 August 2009 03:45 (sixteen years ago)
Look around the room, guys. This is where you were when you found out Oasis was splitting up.
― Cunga, Saturday, 29 August 2009 03:45 (sixteen years ago)
bring in mark gardener obv
― They are known for contracting the ugliest players, like Kuyt (country matters), Saturday, 29 August 2009 04:01 (sixteen years ago)
'leave them all behind' is the best oasis song
need sleep
Their best guitarist, Andy Bell, was playing bass, epitomizing the band's backwards ideology.
― Cunga, Saturday, 29 August 2009 04:13 (sixteen years ago)
bring on the Ride reunion!
― Bee OK, Saturday, 29 August 2009 04:13 (sixteen years ago)
Doesn't McGee look like Nosferatu with ginger hair?
[/insert own vampirism joke here]
― Doran, Monday, 31 August 2009 10:49 (sixteen years ago)
Rumors that Kaiser Chiefs have gone the same way !
― J4mi3 H4rl3y (Snowballing), Monday, 31 August 2009 10:54 (sixteen years ago)
Kaiser Chiefs have gone the same wayto shit following their first album?
― mccannesque outrage (onimo), Monday, 31 August 2009 11:46 (sixteen years ago)
weren't they always shit?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 31 August 2009 13:08 (sixteen years ago)
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― mccannesque outrage (onimo), Monday, 31 August 2009 13:14 (sixteen years ago)
oh wait you mean Kaiser Chiefs :)
http://www.maximumlies.co.uk/cutenews/data/upimages/basil_brush.jpg
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 31 August 2009 13:17 (sixteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnyMxcTk_UA
― am0n, Monday, 31 August 2009 13:26 (sixteen years ago)
Liam continues with Oasis, with a new guitarist from the banks of musos that quit britpop bands when Oasis got big. Ends up making surprisingly good records. Under his own steam.
If he recruits Steve Cradock, then I'll still be paying attention. Maybe he could teach the rest a thing or two about production and arranging too ;)
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Monday, 31 August 2009 14:19 (sixteen years ago)
I guess Andres Segovia's probably unlikely.
― Ismael Klata, Monday, 31 August 2009 15:12 (sixteen years ago)
i've long been bored of oasis but this is a fascinating article about a side of noel gallagher i didnt know: http://thequietus.com/articles/02621-oasis-split-what-next-for-noel-gallager
the cartouche thing was a shock!
― NI, Monday, 31 August 2009 16:09 (sixteen years ago)
Really interesting Quietus piece. When I interviewed Noel last year, in one breath he said that a working-class rock band's job was to celebrate girls, money and good times and sneer at politics and pretension, and in the other he said he loved hip hop in the NWA/Public Enemy era but went off it when (as he perceived it) it became all about celebrating girls, money and good times. He didn't see the contradiction at all.
― Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 31 August 2009 16:17 (sixteen years ago)
Oh dear lord, I was just posting that Oasis breaking up might make it safe to go to an Amourphous Androgynous happening... however, I fear it might be quite the reverse. It does kind of put my finger on exactly what has been bothering me about AA, though - there's just something about them that strikes me as kind of the electronic dance music equivalent of Kula Shaker.
― Evren Kader (Masonic Boom), Monday, 31 August 2009 16:39 (sixteen years ago)
Terrific article. I've always begrudgingly liked Noel for his wit and how willing he is to burst a bubble, but I have few hopes that he's going to pull out something extraordinary and unexpected - there's nothing in his recorded output to indicate that he can. Lionising Cast and all them, he didn't have to do that if he was really after more ambitious things.
― Ismael Klata, Monday, 31 August 2009 16:39 (sixteen years ago)
that the woeful, dreary, forlorn, lacklustre, robotic, apathetic, dirgey, funereal, phoned-in performance
This pretty much nails all three Oasis gigs I've seen.
― everything, Monday, 31 August 2009 19:07 (sixteen years ago)
I saw them 3 times back in the mid 90s and they were terrific. Especially Irvine Beach.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 31 August 2009 19:09 (sixteen years ago)
I saw them once. Liam stormed off in a huff midway through the opener. He returned at the end of the song and said something utterly unintelligible into the mic (except that it ended "know wharra mean?"). Everyone cheered, the place was all goodwill. It turned out he'd been saying he had a bad throat, was leaving the venue and never returned. Noel had to take over vocals for the rest of the gig. They did a 'sorry' show a few months later but I didn't go.
― Ismael Klata, Monday, 31 August 2009 19:43 (sixteen years ago)
I only ever saw them in half-empty halls. St Andrews Hall in Detroit round about Definetly Maybe then a couple of times in Vancouver when their popularity was totally on the wane and they had a shitty local rep for storming off-stage at an earlier show. Combined with their usual schtick of ignoring the audience an offering nothing whatsoever in terms of visual appeal or engagement and you've got a recipe for a dreadful live experience, which it was.
― everything, Monday, 31 August 2009 20:04 (sixteen years ago)
i was going to see them at an australian festival just after definitely maybe came out, then they pulled out citing illness then proceeded to play bunch of shows in the uk instead. Then i was going to see them at a big arena show circa morning glory but that was cancelled after the noel-walks-out-post-vmas debacle. fast forward to the early 2000s and i was stuck in a crowd at another festival while they played. all i remember is a bunch of dads in front of me losing their shit and being all like "this is real rock n roll maaaaannnn" and trying to get some of the joint i was smoking, which i gave them because they promised to go away if i did. it was terrible. I listened to some oasis for the first time in ages yesterday and the only songs i found at all interesting were noel's ones. its a shame he didn't walk out a decade ago and start doing something solo.
― ABSOLUTELY NO SCRUBS WHATSOEVER, Tuesday, 1 September 2009 08:37 (sixteen years ago)
When I interviewed Noel last year, in one breath he said that a working-class rock band's job was to celebrate girls, money and good times and sneer at politics and pretension, and in the other he said he loved hip hop in the NWA/Public Enemy era but went off it when (as he perceived it) it became all about celebrating girls, money and good times. He didn't see the contradiction at all.
Well, in a way, nor do I..
You were there, you know how he meant it, but if you read into it that he was getting bored himself with celebrating "girls, money and good times and sneer at politics", then it makes sense, along with what's happened since.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 1 September 2009 08:43 (sixteen years ago)
Unfortunately, he didn't seem bored in the least - he was very proud of that attitude and genuinely dismissive of bands who attempted to do something more than that, either artistically or politically. The problem is that it's a dead-end attitude which produced a fantastically hard-nosed debut but left him nowhere to grow as a songwriter. It seems to me that the only reason he's left the band is because of Liam, not because he harbours any bold ambitions to do something different. It would be nice to be proved wrong.
― Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 1 September 2009 09:45 (sixteen years ago)
He'll do some rubbish Fireman type thing
― unban dictionary (blueski), Tuesday, 1 September 2009 10:06 (sixteen years ago)
Maybe he'll join Modest Mouse.
― Houston (Euler), Tuesday, 1 September 2009 10:11 (sixteen years ago)
Sitar and 1968-vintage psychedelic effects will feature prominently.
― Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 1 September 2009 10:12 (sixteen years ago)
Well, the one thing he envied Blur for was that they were allowed to do 'left-field' stuff, whereas when he tried it on "Shoulders", he was criticised for it in general (but praised for "bushes" and "Go let it out")...
As said above, Liam wouldn't have tried the 'remix' route, so who knows.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 1 September 2009 10:42 (sixteen years ago)
no other option than to get me cape
did he really say this???
― mince lice (electricsound), Tuesday, 1 September 2009 10:44 (sixteen years ago)
I remember a Noel quote from circa 97 when he said that Oasis had 'won' the Britpop battle because Blur had retreated into 'weird art'.
― Sickamous (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 1 September 2009 10:49 (sixteen years ago)
That would have been around the time Blur released the avant garde arty farty Song 2.
― mccannesque outrage (onimo), Tuesday, 1 September 2009 10:51 (sixteen years ago)
Or perhaps Noel is just a lame Mr Rent-a-Quote who changes his position on musical issues whenever he feels like it?
― Tuncay Stryder (Matt DC), Tuesday, 1 September 2009 10:52 (sixteen years ago)
I think you may be onto something.
― Sickamous (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 1 September 2009 10:54 (sixteen years ago)
That Quietus link story was no shock to me, I have to say.
More to the point, it's that old "wisdom to accept the things I cannot change" etcet.
Oasis is "This", and will not differ from it.
"Falling Down" is a decent single to finish on. The source track, the remix by Liams broinlaw naturally, the Androgetc version as a signpost to the future, and the Sardy/Twiggy one as the mil(e)stone as to what's been left behind.
Or something.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 1 September 2009 10:56 (sixteen years ago)
I'm just nitpicking here for no good reason, but:
It’s 1992, down a Manchester city centre back-street called Little Peter Street. You are leaving The Boardwalk, a combined rehearsal room and gig venue, where local bands play to small crowds alongside better known alternative acts from further afield – Sonic Youth, Husker Du and the like
Probably meant Sugar, but you know.
― someone who is ranked fairly highly in an army of poo (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 1 September 2009 14:41 (sixteen years ago)
Can we put the idea to bed that a well-known record company owner discovered them, once and for all?
― lacoste intolerant (suzy), Tuesday, 1 September 2009 15:32 (sixteen years ago)
How sad that you impugn Dick Green that way.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 1 September 2009 15:33 (sixteen years ago)
hitler reacts : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6IyGAvbOs4&eurl
― mark e, Wednesday, 2 September 2009 07:34 (sixteen years ago)
"have you tried Kasabian?"...
― Mark G, Wednesday, 2 September 2009 07:44 (sixteen years ago)
I only ever saw them in half-empty halls. St Andrews Hall in Detroit round about Definetly Maybe then a couple of times in Vancouver when their popularity was totally on the wane and they had a shitty local rep for storming off-stage at an earlier show. Combined with their usual schtick of ignoring the audience an offering nothing whatsoever in terms of visual appeal or engagement and you've got a recipe for a dreadful live experience, which it was.― everything, Monday, August 31, 2009 4:04 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark
― everything, Monday, August 31, 2009 4:04 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark
If you are talking about the St. Andrews show in Sept/Oct 1994, I was also there. I thought it was a brilliant show. They had not had any US airplay yet & had everything to lose, so there was no room for "sore throats" or whatever. They simply walked on stage, rocked the fuck out of every song they had written up to that point (+ IATW) & walked off. I went to see them about six months later, after they'd had a hit or two, in Grand Rapids & teh bros were total bitches: Liam walked off after the first song or so b/c someone in the crowd threw a bottle (not at Liam even, just onto the stage) & Noel, obviously sulky & bitter the whole time, half-assed his way through all the vox. Terrible. Pretty much ruined the band for me, tbh.
― Pullman/Paxton Revolving Bills (Pillbox), Wednesday, 2 September 2009 08:13 (sixteen years ago)
Yeah that was the show. I should probably lighten up about Oasis and Noel a bit. They so quickly moved from being fun and promising to disappointing then rapidly became pretty vile. It's been so easy to dislike them for so long but they probably deserve some slack. They have a bunch of good songs and could rock live if they wanted to. I do remember being a little bit underwhelmed by the show but that was likely informed by the over-the-top hype from the UK press at the time. The later shows were pretty appalling though. I stand by that.
― everything, Wednesday, 2 September 2009 18:15 (sixteen years ago)
They could be so variable, not surprising when their audiences could be so "WAHAYY WE'RE WATCHING OASIS WHOO!!!" blinded...
I put in for tickets for that BBC "orchestra" gig, but on seeing how awful Liam sounded, I 1) was glad I didn't get them2) forever prepared to forgive Liam's every "laryngitis" cancellation, for if his voice is even slightly poorly, he sounds godawful.
I did see them at Wembley, the gig that became the "Familiar" album, pretty good.
Last time, they were helping Weller and Ashcroft at the Royal Albert Hall. Liam doesn't usually do those pallypally gigs, but he came on and did "Songbird" with Weller and Noel, and all was happy.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 2 September 2009 18:22 (sixteen years ago)
Apparently, Noel is "very close" to signing with Parlophone records.
― Mark G, Friday, 4 December 2009 15:03 (sixteen years ago)
and apparently will keep the name 'Oasis'
― Shin Oliva Suzuki, Friday, 4 December 2009 15:15 (sixteen years ago)
sorry, I mean, Liam
Noel's going to keep Liam's name?
That's sibling rivalry for you!
― Mark G, Friday, 4 December 2009 15:20 (sixteen years ago)
He is the Nephilim.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 4 December 2009 15:38 (sixteen years ago)
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rxSKmMLn2Zw/SmTjepWO25I/AAAAAAAAALM/6JIepo3Ja88/s320/kane&abel.jpg
― there is a ban in a smiling bag (Pillbox), Friday, 4 December 2009 18:42 (sixteen years ago)
The new band = Oasis + keyboard/bass player - Noel. Plus he's probably going to keep the name "Oasis". So, Oasis didn't split up after all.
― everything, Friday, 4 December 2009 20:21 (sixteen years ago)
more like New Oasis = Old Oasis + keyboard/bass player - Noel - songwriting ability - tiny amount of humility
― so says surgeon snoball (snoball), Friday, 4 December 2009 20:54 (sixteen years ago)
In other words, Liam will have to ask his brother to join the band and sort them out a second time.
― so says surgeon snoball (snoball), Friday, 4 December 2009 21:35 (sixteen years ago)
New solo demo 'Corridors Of Gin' has leaked:http://www.mediafire.com/?jmznmlmyzzn
― PaulTMA, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 17:17 (fifteen years ago)
Oh good.
Maybe Liam can write something interesting.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 23 June 2010 07:21 (fifteen years ago)