Anyone on ILM ever fork out for one of these services? Wanna review it?
― phil, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Ten dollars an album! After you provide your own CD, print the cover and burn it yourself? They really get this don't they?
― Siegbran Hetteson, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Idiots.
― Andrew, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Lord Custos III, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
I assume that things will get better, but for the moment they have a lot of stuff listed that can't actually be listened to on-demand. I take it that this is because they haven't gotten around to encoding a lot of it, but it's frustrating none-the-less.
They have a bunch of "radio stations" (essentially streamable playlists of genres), and I'm currently listening to one called "Downtempo", and hearing a rather nice Plaid track ("Shackbu") at a good quality. (It only says it's "Hi-Fi", I would guess a rather well encoded 128-160kbps mp3)
Would I pay for a service like this? I actually think that I could, potentially. About 5 minutes in, and I'm pretty chuffed.
More news to follow.
Provided that the price stays the same, I think there'll be one primary use for this service. (for me, at least) Their radio stations will prove useful for me, in that they play a whole bunch of stuff I haven't heard before, or have only fleetingly heard. With a bit of fucking around I was able to record the radio stream digitally (ie, no quality loss), and I've now got 7 new tracks of my very own, for free!
BoC - Amo Bishop Rodin Mocean Worker - Summertime / Sometimes I Feel Like A Motherless Child Afro-Mystik - Samba De Rua Handsome Boy Modeling School - The Truth Lefty's Choice - Phase Selector Sound Daddylonglegs - A Man Called Betty DJ Krush - Day's End
― ddd, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/watw/02-04/celestial-jukebox.shtml
These subscription services obviously don't replace downloading stuff for free, because it costs money, it's a stream instead of a download, there's limited burning, and basically, you can't do whatever you want with it - you can listen to a lot of music but only through the computer. (I mainly listen in the car, so I'm s. o. l.) Further, most people just can't picture paying for any of this right now - there's no motivation to spend money, however little. And Rhapsody and the others don't get new releases for a while - same deal as how movies play in the theaters for a while before they come to Blockbuster.
I don't know if they'll make it, this time around. (Listen.com, which makes Rhapsody, needs to be profitable next year.) But I think there's potential here. For listening to music on the computer, I find Rhapsody far more convenient than downloading an entire album - you press one button and it's playing, and the quality is consistent. There's definitely a price point that would make it work. If you could listen to any album that's ever been recorded for $1/month, people would do it. That's obviously not going to happen, but there must be something in between that would interest consumers.
I also think this is a big step toward a new model of music consumption, where people don't own music on CD - or in any form. If it's always out there and you can call it up at any time, why bother hanging onto it (except for a few discs you're really into, or as collectibles)? That's my "50 years from now nobody'll use pencils and we'll all live on the moon"-type prediction.
― Chris, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Why do we want to own music if it's on tap? I think the main reason is that as well as colleting we like curating music. We like to make mix-tapes for ourselves and loved ones.
Free, always available online music is nothing to me unless I also get to sort it and give my curation as a gift to my friends. That's what the RIAA really wants to combat - music becoming a commodity component of a higher level dicourse. But that's what's happening (which is why DJs can make more money than bands.) And we, ordinary punters want to get in on the action, which is why we have website for posting our tracklists, and ILM for making various "best of" and "most recent" lists.
I figure a smart RIAA sponsored online music service would combine a music downloading with tracklist uploading service. And would charge the *uploaders* to make their mixes available. I'd be more likely to pay to sponsor my mix being online for other people to download free, than to pay for the tracks.
― Mark, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Mr Swygart, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― chaki, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Also, networks fail sometimes, which is currently a big minus to keeping all your music as streams. My DSL goes out for 24 hours at least every other month... if my whole music collection was unplayable then, I'd go nuts. And there's the possibility of DOS attacks against the service and bandwith issues if it became too popular.
― lyra in seattle, Tuesday, 2 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)