pox: hardcore (the kind with guitars, before anyone gets cute)

singles/albums/comps. any era, any style. mix it up. i'm not picky. and the original thread was all '80s chauvinistic.

i have to think about this one for a while tbh.

I would need a POX for each decade since the 70's to even begin thinking about this. So yeah, need more time. initial list maybe something like

minor threat - seeing red
bad brains - supertouch/shitfit
bags - we don't need the english
randoms - let's get rid of new york
angry samoans - steak knife
angry samoans - gas chamber
red cross - annette's got the hits
articles of faith - five o'clock
die kreuzen - all white
weirdos - solitary confinement

which is pretty retro

replace the last 4 with Bikini Kill "Demi-Rep", New Bomb Turks "Sucker Punch", the A-Frames "Radiation Generation" and The Victims "Flipped Out Over You" and that makes a pretty decent alltime set.

no, don't replace them with that stuff!

wow, is a lot of that stuff really considered hardcore, beyond Brains/Threat, and I guess maybe AoF and that early Kreuzen too. I never thought of Samoans or Weirdos ( or any of the stuff in the follow-up post) as anything other than "punk". perhaps i'm slicing too finely, but...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3519/3466866537_b837775d15_b.jpg

We did this years ago, I recall it quite vividly. Not that the 10 I did would stay the same or anything

aaaww! (tried hard to hold it back)

Bad Brains - Pay To Cum
Bad Brains - Reignition
Black Flag - Spray Paint
Black Flag - Depression
Zero Boys - Civilization's Dying
NoMeansNo - Theresa, Give Me That Knife
Bad Religion - Fuck Armageddon, This is Hell
D.R.I. - On My Way Home
Give Up The Ghost - There's a Black Hole in the Shadow of the Pru
Killing the Dream - Picking Up The Pieces

xxxxxpost And Red Cross, too - not really hardcore. I don't know very much about hardcore compared to regular punk (which I also don't know a lot about). I always liked how a lot of nineties crust-type punk was improved by irregular recording techniques the same way reggae and dub were.

This is hard to do!

Void - Time To Die
Discharge - The Nightmare Continues
Doom - Police Bastard
Poison Idea - The Badge
Minor Threat - In My Eyes
GBH - City Baby Attacked By Rats
Suicidal Tendencies - Institutionalized
7 Seconds - Skins, Brains & Guts
Agent Orange - Lingerie
Chaos UK - No Security

Hmm it's pretty much all 80s (I think Poison Idea was 1990) but it's a lot easier to come up with the classics... I'd have to think a lot harder to do a 90s or 00s one.

Bad Brains - Sailin On
Black Flag - Louie Louie (cheating?)
Crass - Do They Owe Us a Living
Rudimentary Peni - Captive of Atrophy (these last two - is peace punk the same as hardcore?)
Germs? - Sugar Sugar and a handful more, but do they count?

Everything else I only play intermittently and can't remember the name of. Is Impulse Manslaughter hardcore?

I think peace punk & hardcore is a Venn diagram - I wouldn't say Crass is hardcore but Rudimentary Peni are, I guess peace punk is more about the lyrical content and hardcore is the music style.

I knew these non-punk dudes - like, three of them - who all had this weird mad villain, high pitch giggle instead of a normal laugh, and they all loved Rudimentary Peni and insisted they weren't punk at all based on the chords or some other musicological reason I couldn't grasp at all.

Yeah Rudimentary Peni do appeal to people who aren't into punk much for some reason.

Some more recent stuff (albums):

Modern Life Is War - Witness
Verse - Aggression
Have Heart - Songs to scream at the sun
Dead Swans - Sleepwalkers
Lifetime - Lifetime

xxp those dudes probably *were* Rudimentary Peni

I asked my bro K because he was bored at work this morning and was the first person I thought of when I saw this thread. He said:

This could change in 2 seconds:

1) Minor Threat-Out Of Step
2) Black Flag – Damaged
3) Bad Brains-self-titled
4) Circle Jerks-Group Sex
5) Descendents-Milo Goes To College
6) Bad Religion-No Control
7) Sick Of It All-Blood, Sweat, and No Tears
8) 7 Seconds-The Crew
9) Warzone-Don’t Forget the Struggle, Don’t Forget the Streets
10) Negative Approach-Total Recall

I thought we were doing songs but that's a damn good pick of albums. Apart from Warzone, which I never thought was that good. Give me Victim In Pain by Agnostic Front over that anyday for NYHC.

I told him it was albums so that's what he went with.

If I had told him be could mix albums/songs or whatever as original post suggested his head may have exploded.

Oh wait in the OP it says singles/albums/comps but lol everyone is ignoring that and doing songs anyway!

Songs?

1"Pay to Cum" by Bad Brains
2 "Behind the Door" by the Circle Jerks
3 "Rise Above" by Black Flag
4 "Surf Combat" by Naked Raygun
5 "The Prisoner" by D.O.A.
6 "Code of Honor" by Code of Honor
7 "Juvenile Justice" by Kraut
8 "Business on Parade" by MDC
9 "Screaming at a Wall" by Minor Threat
10 "Girl Problems" by S.O.A.

the original thread was all '80s chauvinistic.

...because that's when hardcore mattered.

lol

c'mon, ilx, i know there are dudes and dudettes out there whose views on 90s hardcore are similarly misguided and a.a.r.p.-ish.

(cough, cough)

Hardcore stopped meaning anything after `86 (and that's being generous)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3519/3466866537_b837775d15_b.jpg

to be a fly on that wall..

Such sensitive information being shared they had to make sure that even the babby could not hear.

Modern Life Is War - Witness
Verse - Aggression
Have Heart - Songs to scream at the sun
Dead Swans - Sleepwalkers
Lifetime - Lifetime

― Marty Innerlogic, Friday, September 18, 2009 6:53 AM

^ ban

I have to admit, I threw Killing the Dream on there to try and give more weight to the 2000s, but I don’t know if it’s exactly one of my favorite all-time songs. OTOH, I’ve been haunted by Reagan Youth’s “Any Town” all fucking morning. Run Spot, Run!

Also - am)n, why the "^ ban"? Are those not good hardcore albums?

lol 80s

1) bad brains - "don't need it"
2) die kreuzen - "live wire"
3) black flag - "thirsty and miserable"
4) agent orange - "bloodstains"
5) ss decontrol - "boiling point"
6) dead kennedys - "police truck"
7) suicidal tendencies - "memories of tomorrow"
8) minor threat - "out of step"
9) husker du - "pride"
10) minutemen - "paranoid chant"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRNN-QGzwKo

^ this too

did that song ever come out on an album, single, anything?

The clip is seizure-inducing.

it came out on american beer, reconfigured for PC consumption as "surgery" o_O

ahhh, thx.

shit, forgot the misfits. "bullet" or "demonomania" fer shure.

non 80s

1) Lifetime-Jersey’s Best Dancers
2) Unbroken-Life, Love, Regret
3) Grey Area-self/titled
4) Integrity-Systems Overload
5) Kid Dynamite-self-titled
6) Avail-Over the James
7) Indecision-Unorthodox
8) H2O-self-titled
9) Strife-One Truth
10) Shelter-Mantra

All I can say right now re 90s/00s is my 00s one will definitely contain Sex Vid.

"Pay to Cum" Bad Brains
"Beverly Hills" the Circle Jerks
"Rise Above" Black Flag
"Police Story" Black Flag
"The Prisoner" D.O.A.
"Ha Ha Ha" Flipper
"Sex Bomb" Flipper
"Paid Vacation" Circle Jerks
"Holiday In Cambodia" Dead Kennedy's
"Slave to My Dick" Subhumans
"Joke's On You" Christian Lunch

fuck anything after 1983!

"All I can say right now re 90s/00s is my 00s one will definitely contain Sex Vid."

^^^ this.

So I Guess that babby in pic is actually IM's kid? I wasn't sure but I posted it on FB and a friend reposted it and someone wrote the following just now:

"a story: I used to be close w/ a guy named geoff, (we have not spoken in years) I met him as a teen. we lived together in boston for a while & were in a band together for a short time. he worshiped everything dischord. he went on to be in a band called karate. his little sister amy wound up getting into the dc scene as well-apparently very deeply ... because that is her & ians kid. I cant imagine how happy he must be to be ians brother in law. except for being in fugazi, I suppose thats as close as you can get to your golden idol."

yup, he had a kid with her, she plays drums in the evens

Yeah I didn't realize they had reproduced. Cute kid! His name is Carmine which is pretty awesome imo.

forgot everything, except 'boston not l.a.'

i think i actually met a guy once who was in karate. on the vinyard. he was playing in another band, i think. or maybe he was backing up chris brokaw, i can't remember. nice guy.

I heard the opposite about Geoff - finicky and uptight and a little pretentious. But I really used to like at least half of their first three albums.

And Amy is a great drummer.

"Don't drink / don't smoke / don't fuck / but at least I can watch you masturbate"

http://www.sobriquetmagazine.com/music/uploaded_images/Egg-Hunt---Egg-Hunt-773126.jpg

Conjecture: Hardcore is punk with increased tempos and increased use of the second person pronoun.

Hardcore also really liked the sort of ironic narrative from the perspective of the oppressor, like "Police Truck" and "Dicks Hate Police", etc

(but also sort of secretly being in love with the imagery and power of the role)

These 10 should be better known, more or less chronologically

Nip Drivers - Tiki God
D. I. - Richard Hung Himself
Dr. Know - Life Returns
A.O.D. - A.O.D. vs. Godzila
Half Life - Something's Missing
Poison Idea - Drain
Tree - Whales ("save the whales / whales are cool / they swim in schools")
Submachine - Fabulosity
Battleship - Buster Keaton
Double Negative - Mine Trappe

Also, I think the Platonic ideal of a HC song is Suicidal Tendencies' "Possessed". That flailing-elbow riff, the dumbstruck vocals, the chorus of just saying the title four times.

I really really want to just start posting youtubes on this thread but am trying to stop myself.

i still don't get why posting youtubes is a bad thing

er

fearless iranians from hell - die for allah
born against - rebel sound of shit and failure
bad brains - rock for light
black flag - wasted again ep
honeywell - self-titled ep
minor threat - complete discography
rorschach - discography
discharge - hear nothing say nothing
suicidal tendencies - s/t
husker du - land speed record

wait, fuck, throw out one of those and bring in (gi)

probably fearless iranians but I really hate to lose the fearless iranians

Born Against - Rebel Sound
His Hero Is Gone - 15 Counts of Arson
Void/Faith Split
Black Flag - Damaged
Minor Threat - Discog
Converge - When Forever Comes Crashing
Die Kreuzen
Submission Hold - Sackcloth and Ashes
Germs - GI

get to know 'em better, more or less chronologically.

hardcore after '86 is such a different animal, and the difference needs to be delineated.

die kreuzen - die kreuzen
negative approach - total recall
void - faith/void
minor threat - complete discography
cro-mags - age of quarrel
dayglo abortions - feed us a fetus
bad brains - s/t
angry samoans - back from samoa
born against - rebel sound of shit and failure
black flag - damaged

there's not enough meathead 90s shit on this thread

Dr. Know - Life Returns

heyyy my hometown heroes. this is a great song. about a zombie!

DR to the I(irc)

FUCK shoulda put Dealing With It in my pox

Dealing With It + Dirty Rotten LP are my top top top

Cool nineties hardcore:

Ignite - Call on my brothers
Kid Dynamite - Shorter, faster, louder
Refused - Songs to fan the flames of discontent
Integrity - Systems overloaded
Snapcase - Progression through unlearning
Madball - Set it off
Vision of Disorder - S/T
Ten Yard Fight - Back on track
Raised Fist - Fuel
Slapshot - Olde tyme hardcore

These bands did some really cool shows in the nineties.

Some of those were ones I thought about for my 90s one.

A friend of mine found this flyer recently from one of the best shows I ever saw:

http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs029.snc1/3175_1090491017354_1078833601_30274669_4308973_n.jpg

That's a fantastic line-up.

Yeah, it was a lot of fun.

90s poxx:

gauze - low charge ep
los crudos - los primeros gritos lp
his hero is gone - monuments to thieves lp
dropdead - s/t lp
mohinder - gravity 7-inch
gasp - drome triller of puzzle zoo people lp
born against/man is the bastard - split ep
in/humanity - history behind the mystery/music to kill yourself by lp
assuck - misery index lp
charles bronson - youth attack ep
torches to rome - s/t lp
crossed out/man is the bastard - split ep
worst case scenario - "blood of christ"
rorschach - autopsy lp
snapcase - progression through unlearning lp
heroin - s/t ep
infest - s/t ep
citizen's arrest - colossus lp
palatka/asshole parade - split lp
men's recovery project - normal man ep

MAYBE.

i miss my vinyl.

i loved all this 90s hc.

<3 palatka, reversal of man, a lot of that Florida shit.

good stuff!

http://ec3.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000000IF0.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Slapshot put out an EP about three years ago. I liked it.

Two songs: Terrorized and Rap Sucks had me fall out of the listening chair with a laugh.

From Rolling Metal:

"Terrorized," or Choke's "Song for Jihadists to Sing." Lyrics: "FBI breakin' down my door...It's a nation of Hate...It's under attack!!"

Choke, on Rap Sucks: "You look like shit and you talk like shit. One day I hope to shoot you in the face." "You can listen to the shit all you want but it just proves you're a dumbass." Choke's declamatory style is simple poetry, "Tupac and Biggie, I laughed my ass off. Yo, yo, yo and yo mother's a ho." Great hardcore polka beat. Truly though, Choke's scorn was reserved only for white kids.

To me, hardcore was about local bands, bands in your town, seeing shows with your friends and their bands and not really a classic canon of Timeless Records, though obviously it has one now. So here are ten songs by Louisville hardcore bands (sometimes a stretchy term given the crossover with metal that was going on):

Spot “Skate for Fun”
Endpoint “Thought You Were”
Kinghorse “Too Far Gone”
Guilt “Blame”
Solution Unknown “Dirty Washrag”
Maurice “Imitate Christ”
Squirrel Bait “Hammering So Hard”
Fading Out “Circus of Pain”
The End Tables “Circumcision”
Malignant Growth “Killing Time”

80s to early 90s

more 80s:

MDC - Millions of Dead Cops
Really Red - Teaching You The Fear
The Dicks - Kill From The Heart
Big Boys - Lullabies Help The Brain Grow
Adrenalin O.D. - The Wacky Hijinx of
The Crucifucks - The Crucifucks
JFA - Valley of the Yakes
Minutemen - The Punch Line EP
v/a - Let Them Eat Jellybeans
v/a - P.E.A.C.E./WAR

and any of the BCT/Bad Compilation Tapes

Recently found this copy of Suburban Voice online...

http://www.operationphoenixrecords.com/suburbanvoiceissue19_11ShowReviewsandNationalismArticle.pdf

which mentions this Slap Shot/Freeze show I was at, where Choke was pacing around the stage with a hockey stick, smacking it against his head. Eventually he got a good stream of blood going. Wussy North Carolinians COC failed to show, cuz Dukie Wookie hurt his wittle hand, or something.

Squirrel Bait! Did not know you were from Louisville, dude.

Louisville dude left out hc Louisville fave Pink Aftershock.

maybe he didnt like them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was a joke. Because he might know the band. Because they're not hc.

sorry, im just on adderall

ha ha, yeah I knew Scott the PinkAftershock guy, he put out my band's first tape. I could totally make a different list of louisville arty/indie/random bands that weren't hardcore but were part of the scene then:

Pink Aftershock
Poor Girls
Your Face
Sister Shannon
Pu$$y Magnet
King G. and the J Krew
Montag
Circle X
Your Food

Louisville Kentucky is / was awesome. Looking at this thread made me dig online a bit and somebody has digitized many copies of my old highschool era punk zine Conqueror Worm. If you want to look at trashy unreadable collages and bad handwriting and murky photos of Slint, just google it.

I can't do this right now.

It's getting me too excited and am off to bed for a wank to calm down

A straight laced fucking weirdo from Hull, England disco danced to this. This was my introduction. Could be way out here. Perm these from a shitload. Off the top of my head

Nip Drivers - Oh Blessed Freak Show
Minor Threat - the EPs
Black Flag - Damaged
UnsAFE at Any Speed EP
Die Kreuzen -st
Bad Brains - Rock For Light
Articles Of Faith - In This Life
Meat Puppets - S T
MDC- MDC
DRI _ dealing With It
SLF _ inflammable material. This one possibly really did jumpstart me

^^^ Squirrel Bait . Oh man! And all the rest. Starting with the Huskers

Is the Mag Bar still there Louisville folk?

Many years ago, I put together this. It was a fun and was part of the hardcore experience.

http://www.dickdestiny.com/blog/2008/07/annoy-your-neighbor-with-noise-bands.html

http://www.dickdestiny.com/annoyyourneighbowiththistape.jpg

v/a - Let Them Eat Jellybeans

^^crucial