Best type of Metal, out of all existing heavy metal subgenres validated by Wikipedia

fucking death metal obv

I mean it's a common term now so you don't really stop to think about it but there really can't get a better genre name than DEATH METAL

I would like to learn more about Hela Metal.

someday i want to collect and poll all the "lyrical themes" from encyclopaedia metallum

Unblack metal, wtf is that *curious*

Oh christian black metal, duh.

No Power Violence?

power violence is a hardcore subgenre no?

Unblack metal, wtf is that *curious*

IT IS A FUCKING LIE!!!!!

What on earth is Pornogrind, is that a genre specifically for the new Rammstein single?

This was done just 3 months ago:

whats the best subgenre metal style?

xp I'm generally very very reticient to say that any given genre of music has no redeeming features at all but I think pornogrind might be an exception to that

Never heard of Hela Metal before.

WE ARE BYZANTUM, UNHOLY WOLFEN WARRIORS OF NIGHTSPIRIT. WE PLAY CANADIAN WEREWOLF TRUE PITCHBLACK METAL. NO AUDIBLE VOCAL STYLINGS OR SELLOUT. ONLY PURE NEKRO KVLTIC WOLFEN GUITARDUM BLAST. ALL OTHER BAND PALES BEFORE US, INDEED ALL MORTALS.

\mm/

In the absence of "True Scottish Pirate Metal," I'm going to have to go with power metal since "Alestorm are a power/folk metal band from Perth, Scotland" and power sounds radder than folk.

On pornogrind, am I right in saying the Meat Shits aren't totally awful, or am I confusing them with someone else?

The Meat Shits are the only pornogrind band I've ever listened to, and they aren't very good.

Depends how much you like songs that advocate the murder of homosexuals, I guess xp

Can't deny this tracklisting though: http://www.discogs.com/Meat-Shits-For-Those-About-To-Shit-We-Salute-You/release/1361925

Maybe I got it wrong.

i can't believe ian mackaye would put out that record it's a disgrace

121 Bloody Onion

127 Eat Pizza And Fuck On The Floor

Here are the current subgenre-standings from my periodic Encyclopaedia Metallum analysis:

Genre          Average Rating   Deviation   Artists   Reviews   Revs/Artist
Viking                 84.789      17.890        39       667        17.103
Funeral                84.769      18.513        39       303         7.769
Stoner                 84.129      14.618        34       389        11.441
Atmospheric            83.566      17.969        52       719        13.827
Avant-Garde            83.555      20.875        34       510            15
Epic                   83.231      18.684        31       433        13.968
Doom                   83.165      17.101       270     3,091        11.448
Folk                   82.839      19.301        99     1,477        14.919
Progressive            82.488      20.170       193     3,095        16.036
Sludge                 81.759      17.835        52       427         8.212
Traditional            81.732      17.320        56       934        16.679
Brutal                 81.216      20.759       115       851           7.4
Speed                   81.13      18.082       110     2,178          19.8
Grindcore              81.113      19.503        72       795        11.042
Black                  80.116      20.742       785     8,509        10.839
Power                   80.11      20.355       290     4,661        16.072
Heavy                  79.766      19.683       230     4,459        19.387
Metal                   79.67      20.916     2,365    30,662        12.965  baseline
Hard                   79.589      18.832        34       650        19.118
Symphonic              79.589      22.266        65     1,210        18.615
Death                  79.413      21.618       806    10,027         12.44
Gothic                 79.389      20.988        72     1,268        17.611
Drone                  79.061      21.090        27       343        12.704
Industrial             78.721      21.233        49       709        14.469
Ambient                78.685      23.091        78     1,157        14.833
Thrash                 78.653      20.905       405     5,860        14.469
Technical              78.339      24.481        71     1,331        18.746
Rock                   78.284      21.896       100     2,455         24.55
Dark                   78.107      24.092        45       600        13.333
Grind                  78.018      23.474        61       493         8.082
Experimental           77.605      22.636        37       342         9.243
Melodic                77.386      22.932       220     3,102          14.1
Groove                 67.614      28.971        42     1,178        28.048
Metalcore              65.464      29.051        50       731         14.62

DJ McDonald

x-post, nice.

went with "Traditional heavy metal."

^^^yep.

Yeah, gotta go with traditional.

Defenders of Traditional Metal.

\m/

If I choose not to decide, I still have made a choice.

I still need help understanding the difference between Power Metal and Symphonic Metal. Which one is Helloween?

Helloween is power metal. Symphonic metal is really heavy on the orchestral arrangements & such, like Therion and Epica.

Oh, OK. I sort of thought the 'Symphonic' was meant to denote a massive, striding sound, rather than, er, the actual use of symphonic instruments. Don't know how I got that notion.

Well, stylistically there's not much difference between power and symphonic, so that kind of confusion is understandable.

I BLAME THESE GUYS FOR THIS WHOLE MESS! COULDN'T THEY HAVE JUST SUNG ABOUT SOMETHING NICE?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akt3awj_Ah8

Then again, this is over ten years earlier:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmbuHKuyDRc

haha

gotta vote doom here

Thrash narrowly beats Death.

Voted drone, hope I had the terminology right.

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

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lol unblack metal beat black metal

doom beats both thrash & trad. nice. I hate to break the news to y'all but you guys are posing hard

who in the fuck voted rap metal? was that tuomas again?

I know it's been said a gazillion times, but I think it bears repeating: doom metal is one of those genres that people that don't really like metal like.

can we get a taking sides Iron Maiden vs. some third-tier southern lord band just to further expose the pose plz

"Doom is for life, not just for hipsters"

xp - not every southern lord band is poser metal, though

man I love three of those five bands & think disembowelment is all-time but you do actually see the point of sarahel's (facetious? dunno, I am not good w/"I was saying that to garner response not 'cause i meant it" scenarios) remark right - I think doom is beloved by a lotta indie rock ppl who can't get down with a lot of other metal subgenres for a variety of reasons (conversely tho I don't know anybody who loves lots of other kinds of metal who won't also rep for st. vitus & candlemass, I mean c'mon)

I don't know if there are any bands that can hold a candle to maiden.

I've been a metalhead for 20 years, but can't stand maiden. too much galloping and warbling, not enough CRUSHING.

yes, I know, burn the heretic, etc.

xpost: "beloved by a lotta indie rock ppl who can't get down with a lot of other metal subgenres for a variety of reasons"

What reasons? I don't have particularly strong feelings on this, I'm just curious as to why indie rockers should go for what, on the face of it, isn't the most accessible of subgenres. There are certainly much more song-based flavours up there.

(Much amused by the 2:1 Death/Black result, given the epic battle on the previous thread.)

I am a metal dilettante but doom = no way my favorite type of Metal. Have tried 6 or 7 of the most oft-cited doom acts; too much of it's just plain boring and makes me wanna put on Sabbath instead.

Now PROTO-doom is another matter <3 <3 <3

I guess logic would dictate that the pace of doom, or at least the trad Sabbathian stuff, would chime with indie rockers a bunch more than death or thrash would given that there isn't really any indie rock that's played at that speed. Thing is I've never actually seen evidence that this bears itself out... unleeeeeeess we are putting like Isis and Palican under the doom umbrella in which case I shouldn't be wearing this hat anymore

Sarah Palican

sarahel palican

wow, this is great. just hearing it now. for doom fans and black metal fans.

http://www.metal1.info/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=1918&stc=1&d=1247254473

it's my kinda heavy.

scott loves doom and noone would call him an indie hipster or poser

doom has significant noize d00d crossover too. (and grind.)

epic doom is still pretty much a metal-only audience though, isn't it? maybe too frilly or goth for hipsters. unless i'm wrong, and hipsters flock to my dying bride and ghost brigade concerts.

yeah, even some of my metal friends think candlemass is "cheesy." (crazy, I know!!)

scott loves doom and noone would call him an indie hipster or poser

nobody's saying everybody who loves doom is a poseur, I love lotsa doom, you are just really sensitive when it comes to doom

epic doom is still pretty much a metal-only audience though, isn't it?

and yeah. lots of candlemass fans might get down w/tombs of the blind drugged but I would wager that there are loads of moss stans who would turn their noses up @ candlemass because it's "cheesy"

these are the strawmen I wanna torch

To be fair, their new singer does look like an overaged pr0nstar. Which is awesome, off course.

and their "new" singer comes from one of the finest doom bands in America.

Most people who dislike Candlemass are because of Messiah's vocals anyway. Same with Cathedral.

people dislike cathedral vocals?? surely the craziest strawmen of all.

"YEAH. OH YEEEAH."

I love messiah's vocals but he def. seems like a dick.

I actually have never listened to any of the albums since the s/t candlemass a few years back. probs should.

and their "new" singer comes from one of the finest doom bands in America.

I know, but that doesn't make him look any less like Ron Jeremy now does it.

Btw, I don't think I have ever disliked a metal band just because of the vocals, or the drums for that matter. As long as the riffs are good I really couldn't care less about either. It's a real shame so many non-metalheads keep focusing on the 'ridiculous' vocals all the time.

xp

Where do you guys live that doom metal is a crossover genre? Where I live, which is New England and the Internet, non-metal people like Mastodon.

Also, surely Dio's existence makes it moot to pick on the appearance of any other band's singer.

Also, surely Dio's existence makes it moot to pick on the appearance of any other band's singer.

watch it, buddy!

dio just wants to spread love and power, why u gotta be like that?

I have one word for you, and that word is Rumplestiltskin. Straw to gold, rainbows in the dark, etc.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51X8WM0X5ML._SL500_.jpg

LOOK OUT!

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_9fcPb-VtKkc/SsJkf-EN4II/AAAAAAAAARE/YtdNeXwwtEs/diostiltskin.jpg

I love Solitude Aeturnus and I prefer Rob's singing to Messiah's. But we all know that Johann Landquist on Epicus Doomicus... is the best singer Candlemass ever had.

I do think some classic doom is an easier thing for non-metal folks to hear because in the olden days, doom singers used to be able to sing. The whole stoner rock crossover and Rise Above resurgence in the late 90s fucked that up though.

Now you just have to be able to tune down and buy Orange/Green/White/Black/Matamp stacks.

actual (and embarrassing) lolz in my office at that rumplestiltskin poster!

(x-post)

epicus doomicus is a stone-cold classic. since number of the beast just finished, I think I'm gonna listen RIGHT NOW. (loving this thread.)

epicus is easily the best candlemass. I can stomach messiahs vocals for 1 album at a time. Cathedral i find very hard to listen to at times due to Lee,but the band I just cant stomach due to bad vocals are Clutch (apart from the 1st album which i played to death at the time but as they changed their sound the vocals just didn't fit with me)

mind you i used to dislike john garcia's vocals in Kyuss (a comon complaint amongst some fans actually) til i heard Unida and i totally love the guys vocals now.

I love Solitude Aeturnus and I prefer Rob's singing to Messiah's. But we all know that Johann Landquist on Epicus Doomicus... is the best singer Candlemass ever had.

The special EDM-show at Roadburn next year with Landquist and Lowe should be interesting.

WHAT!? I will be there with YOB! That's such great news. Plus the Goatsnake reunion. Holy shit you just made my day.

Don't forget Thorr's Hammer.

I never thought of Lee Dorrian's vox as that likely to be offputting but YMMV etc. Dunno who on here has heard them but the singer from The Lamp Of Thoth had me lolling too much for me to get into them - they play solid trad doom but he sounds like he should be narrating a Children's BBC programme from the mid 80s

the drummer of moss (and one of your colleagues btw) writes bbc childrens progs.

I watched a bit of, um, the one with the cartoon boy in it, it was pretty good!

hah, I love the vox on all of these controversial "c" bands (candlemass, cathedral, clutch) but was never really down with kyuss vox.

Guys the only Candlemass i have is Nightfall, is it representative?

(like it quite a bit actually)

alan do you like Unida?

never heard any unida.

and I'd say nightfall is unmistakeably candlemass but it's also their most unique album. that 80s production (with the super, SUPER gated drums) gives it a different vibe than the rest.

Jon, DEFINITELY pick up Epicus Doomicus Metallicus. And if you like Nightfall, you'll find Ancient Dreams and the self-titled to be cut from the same cloth (albeit with worse and much better productions, respectively). That purple live cd from 1991 is also excellent.

I also am a big fan of their lost record Dactylic Glomerata, but would only recommend it to obsessive fans as it's a totally different beast (and in my top 5 Candlemass).

BTW, never liked Clutch vocals. Never liked Kyuss vocals (especially when I saw them in '92--hated Garcia). But yes, it totally worked with Unida.

As for Cathedral, I can only really handle Forest of Equilibrium (a personal fave and doom metal pinnacle); and this has everything to do with Lee's vox getting cornier with each release.

But we all know that Johann Landquist on Epicus Doomicus... is the best singer Candlemass ever had.

i've never seen anyone even try to argue this.

messiah was way, way better in mercy, his band before candlemass.

whats messiah doing now?

no joke votes for pornogrind?

Hmm I guess I was kinda fucking up on the nomenclature upthread-- I do like a lot of doom, but more the medium-plodding, wailing, eventful kind like that Candlemass album. It's the super-glacial borderline ambient stuff that bores me.

If you like trad doom, you should also check out Through The Darkest Hour by Solitude Aeturnus, any of the first 4 Trouble albums, and the strangely neglected masterpiece that is Witchunter Tales by Thunderstorm.