CanThe White Stripes change their color scheme without alienating the masses?

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or painting yourself into a corner: classic or dud?

― fritz, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The problem is, now, whenever you see anyone dressed in red and white, even if they're a 90 year old Jamaican woman in a wheel chair, you feel compelled to make a crappy "Hey, it's Jack/Meg White" joke.
White Stripes in different colours = KISS without the make-up, anyway.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

minimalism and conceptual gimmicks: traps or escapes?

― fritz, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

''painting yourself into a corner''

I'd get them into a corner. Wouldn't paint them though.

― Julio Desouza, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

what would you do, make em listen to free jazz until they died of boredom?

― fritatas, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

No, I'd put a bullet through their heads. That way they'd die immediately. If I just played free jazz it might take a few hours. the time saved would be spent going to a record shop to get more free jazz recs, OK.

― Julio Desouza, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

now why would you want to shoot the white stripes, julio? how have they offended thee?

― fritz, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I am not offended by them. that may be the problem.

― Julio Desouza, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

so it's just an indiscriminate thrill kill?

― fritz, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

thrill kill indeed!

― Julio Desouza, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

someone stick some BLUE dye in the washing machine. Stoopid no talent all image limited garage rock band. DYE FUCKING DIE !

― DJ Martian, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

hurrah for martian! spin some napalm death DJ!

― Julio Desouza, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

well aaaaaaaaaaanyway... the question is about bands with self- imposed limitations, bands who try to see how much they can get away with within a proscribed box. the ramones, devo, johnny cash from '56-'66, ac/dc, jamc, etc. white stripes are just the most recent and most cartoonish version of this, and their predicament fascinates me.

are these groups seeking some platonic ideal of what a band is or are they just limiting themselves needlessly?

― fritz, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

so far this week.. it's been a smart bomb for Oasis - hopefully lazer guided in front of the masses at Finsbury Park, and then sticking White Stripes in a washing machine with blue DYE. WHOSE NEXT for TERMINATION?

― DJ Martian, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I wonder how the whole white label, faceless, nameless techno thing of the 90's fits into this - is it the logical end to the minimalism route?

also the platonic ideal bands needn't be dumbo rock - i'd see kraftwerk and stereolab in the same continuum of bands who basically created a signature sound and style with their first record or two (ignoring kraftwerk's hippypants era for the sake of the argument) and then spent the rest of their careers just experimented with how much they could take out or add to this sound while keeping it essentially that signature thing.

― fritz, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i like the concept of purity in music cause it's so obv. crackpot but people love to believe in it, and it makes for a narrative for the band. will they sell out or not? will they betray their ideals? what fucking ideals? they're musicians, most'd pimp their sisters for coke money. but anyway, these bands that set up an idealized band form that they can fuck with have got it made in the fucking shade cuz they made up the rules themselves

― fritz, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Fritz, I don't think the white-label thing was so much of an aesthetic choice as it was a functional one - DJs didn't want other DJs to cop their stuff. Lots of other factors at work too I'm sure, and maybe "white label" has *become* something of an aesthetic phenomenon (i.e. signifying underground, raw, etc.). I'm not sure that the "nameless, faceless" thing you mention is all that closely tied to techno - you always hear musicians saying things like "let the *music* speak to you", "it's the *music* that matters", etc., implying of course that who the artist is and what you know about him or her shouldn't matter at all - the worth of the piece is perceived only through some idealized "objective" apprehension of the sounds themselves. (Though of course it takes a whole lot of cultural and academic baggage to refer to this stuff as "sound" in the first place...)

― Clarke B., Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm not sure that the "nameless, faceless" thing you mention is all that closely tied to techno - you always hear musicians saying things like "let the *music* speak to you", "it's the *music* that matters", etc.

yeah, absolutely, but I think Techno artists actually walked the walk on that, while rock artists tend to just talk the talk. and the new electro stuff is a reaction to all that namelessness & facelessness - adding some humanity and sex, voices, etc. back into the mix.

― fritz, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

''WHOSE NEXT for TERMINATION?''

The strokes. We'll throw 'em to the lions!

― Julio Desouza, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Good Idea can we also also chuck LAM[b]MO (Steve Lamacq) in with the LIONS at the same time ! Then there would be no awful evening season show !

― DJ Martian, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

wow, you guys don't like the white stripes or The Strokes? far freaking out! what are the odds? why don't you hijack the thread and yell cliches and lame oneliners all over it? cool, thanks!

― fritz, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

the funny thing, the question is an invitation to give the white stripes et al a solid thwacking, or at least t really think about what it is that you don't like about them but all you've bothered to come up with is "Stoopid no talent all image limited garage rock band". bo-ring.

― fritz, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(oh I'm just cranky, ignore me. yell whatever you want)

― fritz, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sub Header: The Pink Effect

― JM, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

THE STROKES COULD WHUP THE WHITE STRIPES ASS ANYDAY BRING IT ON!!!!

― bc, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

''the funny thing, the question is an invitation to give the white stripes et al a solid thwacking, or at least t really think about what it is that you don't like about them but all you've bothered to come up with is "Stoopid no talent all image limited garage rock band". bo-ring.'

No the question was just abt colour schemes and appearance whereas what i'm thrashing them on is on their brand of guitar rock, which isn't rock man so there!

''Good Idea can we also also chuck LAM[b]MO (Steve Lamacq) in with the LIONS at the same time !''

Thats too good for 'lamdo' (kinda like rambo DO YOU SEE?). we could deface the cunt but that's already been done it seems so what we need to do is torture the rest of his weakling body. we might tear it apart, and then we'll transport it back in time so that punks (the ones who are about to be betrayed by idiots like lamcq) can actually piss on it.

― Julio Desouza, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

No the question was just abt colour schemes and appearance whereas what i'm thrashing them on is on their brand of guitar rock, which isn't rock man so there!

read the thread, the colour scheme thing is just a cartoonish example of a larger phenomenon

― fritz, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

oh fuck it, i am tired of this shit. I remember when people would actually engage in conversation on ILM, before it went to an all insults all the time format. fuck you julio. have fun talking about peeing on people and shooting them, you child.

― fritz, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I've wanted to say this for a while; in fact just a couple hours ago I emailed someone privately about it--Julio is a creep who is ruining my experience on these boards. Obviously this is just the effect he wants, so me saying this only helps his cause I'm sure. But I've always liked Fritz's posts, so I had to speak up.

― Sean, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

can't you ppl take a joke. And it wasn't only me. It was martian too.

― Julio Desouza, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Bob Dylan, um, "changed color schemes" a few times. The first few alienated the masses plenty. Very good call on Pink, too. That gimme sure didn't last long...

(he says as he wonders if this thread has been killed)

― Keiko, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

More insults! They're fun.

― DG, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

it's called "ignoring" and you learn it in elementary school. you can practice on me right now, if you want...

― Ron, Thursday, 4 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN....THE BEIGE STRIPES!

― Lord Custos III, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I've always though beige is underrated. It's only nondescript if you can't dig deep enough.

― Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I was severely disappointed when I saw those White Stripes OUT at a GIG in London a few months ago, and the girl was wearing ALL BLACK (complete with beret like a bloody BEATNIK) and the boy was wearing some sort of jeansy tshirty outfit, no red nor white in sight. Didn't recognise them at all (perhaps that was the point - they were INCOGNITO) but had that "hey, I know you from somewhere..." feeling that often embarrasses me around celebrity types. Until a mob of Japanese girls appeared out of nowhere and started asking for autographs, then it clicked.

― kate`, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It's their music I hate, I can't see the appeal, they sound like an indified Bon Jovi, with the odd iffy folk song thrown in.

― Ronan, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

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