Oasis "Be Here Now" - FUCKIN FIT

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/music/2007/08/cocaine_supernova_oasis_be_her.html

i never actually heard this album.

i don't know how JH can stand to look at that photo.

Charles Shaar Murray was so enraptured that he lapsed into patois: "This is Oasis's world domination album. Dem a come fe mess up de area seeeeeeerious."

this is at least re-assuringly far lamer than the review of this album i did for the college paper

perhaps somebody should just post 'RIP' and then we can move along.

for music he confeses to dislike jh sure talks about be here now a lot

wait a minute, for a journalist they confeses to dislike ilx sure talks about john harris a lot

lame-assed, easy-target revisionism of the most tedious, predictable kind. the bold move would be to state that BHN was an incredible statement of intent, an album so charged with self-belief and knowledge of its own brilliance that it somehow overcame the crapulence and sterility of its source material and coasted to improbable victory on a wave of crystalline arrogance and swagger. slagging off the album on the grounds of 'pomposity' or 'ridiculousness' is SO 1998. pitchfork had it right. sometimes more is more. it's certainly my favourite oasis record. nobody else had the boneheaded ambition to even attempt anything like this.

oh, louis.

smashmouth?

partial credit for possible NPI use of 'boneheaded'

is my computer OK

yeah, i was referencing bonehead, WELL DONE

i mean, it's still CRAP, but it's infectious crap.

kudos, weak concept troll of bygone days

xp

STOVE KING?

i think i liked Gas Panic

n.b. i do not list oasis amongst music i like, i do not often talk about them, they do not pop into my head at frequent intervals, and i slag them off in comparison to most equivalent bands of the era, but i kinda have respect for the absurd ambition of BHN.

ambition without ability is worthless

the bold move

Wrong move, surely? Being impressed by mere ambition - that's something you grow out of pretty quickly

... provided you were ever impressed by it in the first place, of course

slagging off the album on the grounds of 'pomposity' or 'ridiculousness' is SO 1998.

I originally read this as ISO 1998

Which is far preferable to how it actually reads

theres something incredibly public school about this record, though i can't quite tell what

Be Here Now, let us not forget, was not the only dud to be so hysterically lionized; two years before, very similar gasps of appreciation had greeted Blur's The Great Escape.

He had me up until here. Great Escape is 50 billion times better than Be Here Now. Even Oasis fans know that.

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Maybe this:

BHN was an incredible statement of intent, an album so charged with self-belief and knowledge of its own brilliance that it somehow overcame the crapulence and sterility of its source material and coasted to improbable victory on a wave of crystalline arrogance and swagger

ambition without ability is worthless

Oasis had ability with (many claimed stolen) melodies; they knew when a few chords jammed together in a particular order sounded good. They had no grasp of originality, nuance, sound, timbre, tone, rhythm etc etc etc, but they were great at making stuff you could listen to without engaging your brain.

The Great Escape is a fantastic record, however, with MANY of the above characteristics present and on sparkling form.

and Tom, nuff of the low blows, plz?

did 50 Cent go to the same public school as the Gallaghers?

(xp) OK, stop saying silly stuff then, plz?

buckingham prep skool of hard knocks xpost

Gas Panic's on the next one.

theres something incredibly public school about this record, though i can't quite tell what

-- Filey Camp, Tuesday, August 21, 2007 3:33 PM (26 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

i don't really feel that. it was a big popular success. i reckon harris is about right re. it took six months for the penny to drop, with music press readers, and maybe 'out there'. but i reckon chris moyles would still play oasis. it was six months later that 'q' readers made 'ok computer' the best album of all time.

i said i hadn't heard it, which is sort of untrue. i never owned it. it one of the worst covers in history.

something to look forward to (xp)

it still sold about 7mil or something.

don't forget, johnny depp was playing slide guitar on the track that sounds like bon jovi!

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-- ledge, Thursday, 5 July 2007 00:35 (1 month ago) Bookmark Link

Is 'ambition' really the right word for Be Here Now? It makes it sound like it belongs with Tusk or Paul's Boutique.

maybe 'infectious self-aggrandisement' would be a better way of putting it.

next year Harris will be all "Six by Mansun: what WERE they thinking"?

Pharmaceutical ambition maybe, musical ambition definitely maybe not

Mansun collaborated twice with punk legend Howard Devoto (from Magazine & Buzzcocks ), who co-wrote EP B-side tracks "Everyone Must Win" and "Railings".

Maybe they should inverse director's cut it.

The documentary had the producer basically saying it was his job to reign in the 'ott'ness, and it was his failing, not the (inexperienced but by now overpowerful) Gallaghers.

There are a fair few good tracks on it, but ....

"Everyone Must Win" was alright

I wonder if Harris will do a "decade on" lookback at "All About Chemistry"?

It's just ILE's new rolling balkanised thread for shut-in aspie rubes.

-- ledge, Thursday, 5 July 2007 00:35 (1 month ago) Bookmark Link

haha where is that from?

And what does it mean?

both spearheaded by NG. spoooooooooooky.

haha i have been.

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time for england to stop experimenting with wicketkeepers right at the top of the order :) i too am watching this on a plasma. except in my case it's 2am. no work tomorrow, however, which is fantastic.

i like definitely maybe. but for scale and immensity (done well, of course) i'll look outside the oasis canon.

They're saying Phil Mustard should be England's Kaluwitharana figure. I'm not sure if he'd come off against international bowlers, but it might be worth a shot...

yeah, i noticed phil mustard was playing well for durham. but i generally think you need solid specialist openers in this day and age. it'll be interesting to see what openers australia opt for when gilly and haydos are no longer around. i might opt for mike hussey and phil jaques, though there's new talent cropping up all the time

Mustard and Onions must play for England! If only for comedy value!

hahahha, well it's comedy value that they're already in the same team at the moment anyway!

That must make the batsmen's eyes water

hahaha

so what'll it be on your steak sandwich?

Are there no promising young pace bowlers called Pickles then?

A huge overdose of cocaine and way too much confidence at least didn't prevent "Stand By Me" from being a great song.

This is by no means as good as "Morning Glory" though. Not even remotely.

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I'm sure this is old news.

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"D'you Know What I Mean" is basically the best mainstream rock single of the latter '90s.

The guitar sound on that track was created by sampling a helicopter crashing on Liam's sunglasses.

"D'you Know What I Mean" is basically the best mainstream rock single of the latter '90s.

-- milo z, Wednesday, August 22, 2007 3:33 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Link

damn son what the hell are you smoking?

I bought that single the week it came out without hearing it, cos I did like the 1st 2 albums at the time, and when I got home and put it on, that was it for me, I never bothered with Oasis again it was so shit.

The DNKWIM b-side 'Stay Young' was the best song in that entire period for Oasis - a brilliant stupid shout-along anthem that would have been right at home on the previous albums - and it didn't even make it onto the BHN, showing just how fucked up and clueless they were at the time.

I quite liked DYKWIM; I thought it was big and dark and groovey (by Oasis standards). I liked the Morse code and the vibe. It was the rest of the album that was fucking wank.

I've only begun to really get into Oasis, these last six months. Those first two albums are fucking amazing. From what I've read, I just imagine that 'Be Here Now' is 'Definitely Maybe' x 10.

I'm saving it, though. I'm backtracking through the Britpop thing now (I'm 21), and just checking out what seems worth it. I know 'BHN' is sort of the "last" Britpop album, so, I thought it should be the last one of that era that I check out. Almost there.

Yeah. Excelsior this. Oasis is a joke now. Whatever. I think they fucking rock, and, so do some certain well-respected rock critics around here. . .

They fucking kill Blur.

Their last album is a fine one.

best mainstream rock single of the latter '90s

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They fucking kill Blur

snatching bitter defeat from the jaws of possible credibility

i certainly don't know what that means.
what are you even doing here?
shouldn't you be in some godspeed thread or something? shit.

go fuck a ghost, spaceboy

Great thread

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I just imagine that 'Be Here Now' is 'Definitely Maybe' x 10.

Well you're certain to be disappointed going into it like that. Be Here Now is really difficult to compare to the first two albums, mainly because it cranks up the melodrama to 11 while leaving behind most of the melodies that made the first two great. Still, there's something I love about its coke-addled mess.

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I wish I could fuck a ghost. I wish I could fuck a ghost.

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Cum on my face yes.

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I'll cum on your face.

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We'll cum all over each other yes yes. All the way down the east coast. I'm the preacher that everyone's talking about. In the ghetto. Voooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Cum yes uyes yes

rocket from the crypt is the only cool thing in this thread.

what's your deal?

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i like noel in the DKWIM video. hip sunglasses disguising pinged pupils

whoa

lol

remember at school when be here now came out and everybody thought it was shit. i always reckoned oasis were a bit meathead anyway.

best part of this thread: england wicketkeeper debate

"...somehow overcame the crapulence and sterility of its source material and coasted to improbable victory on a wave of crystalline arrogance and swagger."

yeah, if you like.

Where is Sally these days?

We'll cum all over each other yes yes. All the way down the east coast.

^ yoga etc

damn @ andi there

Voooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

osis fan

FUCK OFF CUNT BAND

otm

oh christ this thread

wouldn't ever listen to it again but there's some fun tracks on this one iirc.

Still seems largely up to the standards of the first two albums to me, which is to say not awful, pretty good even, but not an album or band I can ever understand anyone getting really excited about. I also thought melodramatic aggrandizement of their minor virtues was always kind of the MO of their music, and largely what made them interesting to the extent they were, so those attacks on the album strike me as weird.