RFI: Dad-House

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this got mentioned at some Layo & Bushwacka thread and as my dad doesnt listen to house or any other dad i know its kinda hard to say whats dad-house besides Layo & Bushwacka

Chupa-Cabras, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I first heard it used to describe X-Press2, so I assume they're dad house as well... That wasn't too useful, was it?

Dom Passantino, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

those wankers at NME use the term so far X-Press 2 and FC Kahuna have been tagged it as well. Maybe it refers to the fact Layo & Bushwacka, X-press 2, MR C and Slam are all in their 30s, therefore it is not a yoof movement on the production side!

DJ Martian, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Good question. I'm not too sure myself. I alwys got the impression dad-house meant deeper house music which would be almost as compatible at home as on the dancefloor. Chin-stroking house. Or house music where can u say shit like "Yeah man, the sax is sweet on that track".

Michael Bourke, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Weird... Im listening to the X-Press 2 song right while reading the answers and i also like very much the two L & B mp3s i have though nevah listened to FC Kahuna. Am i a dad-raver?

Chupa-Cabras, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

nope, as i mentioned i believe the term prefers to the production side not the consumption side.

DJ Martian, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It's house music for people old enough to be dads. Slam and X-Press 2 are dad house because their music sounds like it was made ten years ago, and I've got to admit that, as a 34 year old non-dad, I think it's wonderful. It's not so much chin-stroking as "yes, that is proper house music". Listen to Slam's "Lifetimes", soulful vocals over a deep bassline, a minimal beat and a mournful synth riff, just like it used to be.

I'm not quite sure how FC Kahuna got lumped into this, though I do like them so perhaps they're just hitting the broody buttons. Are L&B good then? I keep reading conflicting reports. Seven quid in Fopp for the vinyl though, I'm very tempted.

Mike Ratford, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Um . . . Laurent Garnier?

felicity, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Laurent Garnier is way cool - unreasonable behaviour is superb

DJ Martian, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It's better than hard house.

jayque, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

So where does this put Larry Heard?

Andy K, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Since Heard is in his 40's and he started making trax almost 20 years ago, I guess that would make him "Grand-dad House". But only if we wanted to sound as ridiculous as the NME, who by the way are currently peddling the "next Nirvana" aka The Vines who ape music made almost 40 years ago. What do we call them? How about just "sucky".

Spencer Chow, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd call X-Press 2, Chems, Orbital, the lot dad house. To me it means basically house music for rock fans or crossover house music. House music which is not only part of the club scene but critically acclaimed and percieved as quality aswell.

Ronan, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well my dad's house is very free floating with all sorts of musics.

Karl J Kretzschmar, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Laurent Garnier is way cool

Agreed! I just mentioned him because the first time I saw the term Dad-House was in an article about Garnier and a few others shortly after the release of "30" (which Garnier made when he turned 30). My understanding at the time was that the term referred to the production side and was affectionate rather than pejorative. The term may have been co-opted since

felicity, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Dad-house = house that attempts to unite dancefloor energy with a certain seriousness, a certain reflectiveness, a certain attention to production detail and a certain tendency to sell lots of artist-based albums.

The blueprint for dad-house is Leftism I guess, although I think only some of the songs on that album are definitely "dad- house". Maybe it's more the rhetoric surrounding Leftism, and all the ideas about what the album "meant" (both positive and negative). Certainly you're unlikely to find dad-house producers working in vocal house/phased disco etc. because such music is too relentlessly pleasure and pop-focused; rather, this is music that considers itself contemplative, moody, sophisticated, often distant and generally somewhat desexualised. Hence you're more likely to find it popping up in the deep/progressive/tech end of things.

Layo & Bushwacka! are sorta-not dad house, but rather a dad- house equivalent making breakbeat ("Deep South" and "Love Story" excepted). You could prob. find dad-house "equivalents" in other dance genres too (Photek or Size/Reprazent's first album for jungle, Wookie's album for UK Garage etc.), the common elements being the ethos and the intention, plus the music's reception by the press (people either love it for being sophisticated and more cerebral/cinematic/emotive than yer general dance music or hate it for the same reasons).

I don't think that "dad-house" or its equivalents automatically refer to bad music. A lot of the groups I've listed I really like or love. I suppose the main issue is whether a dad-house artist or album genuinely lives up to its own intentions. L&B's first album was frequently excellent dad-dance because the grooves were actually as dark/compelling/cinematic/gripping as they were intended to be. Most of what I've heard from their new album sounds like bad dad-dance because it is merely applying the forms of what is felt to be cinematic or compelling music over the top of uninteresting grooves. In this common situation, the dad-dance artist's "sonic signature" becomes detached from the music's fundamental base (its groove, its "danceability") and is no longer being invested *within* the base.

Tim, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Erm, yeah, what Tim said. It's thirty or forty-something dance producers adhering to a memory of the "good old days" (shaped over the years, ofcourse) and applying that to a rather lifeless and imagination-free interpretation of "classic" Chicago house music.

JoB, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Also, Sven Väth, Marcello, Ritchie Hawtin, Paul van Dyk to a lesser extent...

Siegbran Hetteson, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Haha, Tim, your "dad-dance" term tickles my funnybone.

felicity, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Richie Hawtin Dad House?? That strikes me as a little odd considering what total earbleed lunacy his music is.

I guess though, as a general rule most dance bands who make non mix albums are "dad house" or have some of the elements of it. I mean the notion of dance ALBUMS instead of singles or mixes is a bit dad house in itself.

Ronan, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)


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