Idlewild - opinions?

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any thoughts on idlewild, especially the new stuff?

"the remote part" is growing on me as we speak.

Simon H., Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Are they still going?!

Julio Desouza, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Their new cd is out next week: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000068PU9/. It looks like it's only being released as an import in the US at the moment.

lyra in seattle, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I walked past them while they were playing at Glastonbury and thought they were rockist.

DV, Saturday, 6 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The world's worst REM tribute act.

Dom Passantino, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

They're fun, as long as one can ignore the lyrics (and the annoying Stipe-whine they're sung in): "Don't be real, be post-modern." Worst line ever.

adam, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"The world's worst REM tribute act."

Is this pre or post "what the hell is Stipe saying he sounds like he got a mouth full of cotton???"

brg30, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

We did the classic or dud thread a couple of months ago, someone dig it up?

Classic, the new album is Grate.

Nick Southall, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Idlewild are brilliant.. but sometimes I miss the unhinged qualities of the first few records of theirs.. the songs are as strong as ever but occasionally gets a little too 'mature' sounding..

electric sound of jim, Sunday, 7 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Dunno, hardly ever heard them -- but "When I Argue I See Shapes" is a grate name for a song.

OleM, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

If I want to hear Morrissey, I'd rather put on on of his songs, you know. I mean, really, what is the point?

JoB, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Fraggle rock.

Chris, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

But Roddy's so cute! In an unattractive twat with no personality and a very small face kind of way.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Did he try and steal your girlfriend or something?

electric sound of jim, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

No, but she fancies him. So it's only a matter of time, surely.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hmm... dunno. The whole "I have jumper, thus I am intellectual" thing grates a bit, particularly considering he routinely comes up with lyrics like:

Every face Even the one you saw yesterday It looks different today 'Cos everything's changed since yesterday In every possible way Things seem different today Not like yesterday

Yet I do still like them, even if they do sound incredibly like REM. They could sound disturbingly like Stereophonics instead. But they don't. Which is quite good.

Mr swygart, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

surely though they harken more towards 80s REM than 90s? and if so can that possibly be a bad thing?

Simon H., Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

they get points simply for occasioning the greatest descriptions the NME have ever given anyone: "what Fugazi would sound like if they ate meat" and "a flight of stairs falling down a flight of stairs." of course, 100 Broken Windows was nowhere near as good as it was said to be by people who really ought to have known better, so what can you do?

M Matos, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Wasn't impressed with them when they first came out, but "100 Broken Windows" was a considerable step in the right direction. Hope they build on it with the new one, which is going to be a big seller, I think. Live, they are AMAZING! Twas their performance at the Witnness festival in 2000 that persuaded me to buy "100...", and I'll be seeing them at the same festival in a couple of days' time. Can't wait.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

two years pass...
REVIVE!

If I'd heard any new material, I'd probably start a new thread, but I haven't, so here we find ourselves.

I've always had a soft spot for Roddy Woomble and his noisome chums, and equally always had some respect for Parlophone's long-termist approach to them - so anomalous with guitar bands/majors. Great voice, an occasionally fearsome noise, interesting lyrics...hmmm?

Their new tour seems to be acoustic only, so I guess we can expect less lovely racket and more REM-ish (by which I mean, considerably superior to REM) folksy introspection.

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Anyone heard the new stuff?

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 13 January 2005 07:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Are they still going?!

Miles Finch, Thursday, 13 January 2005 09:33 (twenty-one years ago)

so it would seem.

(rhetorical, eh?)

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 13 January 2005 09:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Just because enough people say they sound like REM doesn't make it true, you know.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 13 January 2005 09:47 (twenty-one years ago)

when they played melbourne it was one of the smallest crowds i'd ever seen for a touring band of their stature. they were, of course, fantastic.

the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Thursday, 13 January 2005 09:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Nonetheless, there are some songs which sound not unlike Document-era REM, and some wherein Roddy's vocals resemble Stipe's. Not necessarily at the same time, though.

(xpost)

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 13 January 2005 09:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I never got the REM thing. They sound like Nirvana with a book of local Scottish poetry.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 13 January 2005 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I felt sorry for them when they played Chapel Hill a couple of years ago. They had the misfortune to be playing on the first day of Spring Break AND the day of the Duke vs. UNC basketball game. Consequently, about twenty people turned up (and at least five left after the support acts), almost all of us British exchange students. Still, they were good.

carson dial (carson dial), Thursday, 13 January 2005 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't want to rape this blog's bandwidth, but they have the first single off the new album up:
http://www.scenestars.net/

It's super compressed and sounds a bit like muffled ass, but it would seem a decent song after a couple listens (if exactly the same as everything else they've ever done)

Am I the only person who thinks 100 Broken Windows is their best album? I love that disc all the way through.
And the first single from the last album is amazing - "You Held the World in Your Arms" -- damn it, I need to play that now.

Chuckling at the Tomkat's Marquee (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 13 January 2005 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I love the last two albums, but if this is the best they've got, I'm a mite worried. Maybe it's a grower. It sounds like some of the B-sides from The Remote Part, but not as immediate, bizarrely.

edward o (edwardo), Friday, 14 January 2005 00:22 (twenty-one years ago)

actually, some of the b-sides of the remote part singles are among my fave idlewild songs.

100 BW is my favourite album of theirs too, but "self healer" remains their very finest moment to my ears.

the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Friday, 14 January 2005 00:32 (twenty-one years ago)

That's what I mean, those B-sides are bloody great. I listen to my compilation of them more often than The Remote Part nearly.. "The Nothing I Know" and "A Distant History" - they were mad to leave them off the album.

edward o (edwardo), Friday, 14 January 2005 00:33 (twenty-one years ago)

"Dear Idlewild,

please can you write something as interesting and non-derivative as the stuff off 'Captain'?

Yours sincerely,

Everybody.

si carter, Friday, 14 January 2005 00:41 (twenty-one years ago)

they sound like REM big time! "let me sleep next to the mirror" is the best track example i can think of. havent listened to em in a while, but i'll play some stuff tomoro and come up with more specific examples...

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 14 January 2005 00:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Biggest REM ripoff ever: "American English"

Mr. Snrub, Friday, 14 January 2005 00:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not feeling "Warnings/Promises" at all thus far. I think they're very good when indulging in arena-rock bombast, but Christ, this sounds like the Counting Crows, with the typical Woomble lyrical insight to boot. I'll give it time, but I'm disappointed.

Daniel Cohen (dayan), Thursday, 20 January 2005 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I got a promo of the new album today from EMI. I'm not happy with it. There's SLIDE GUITAR. The new guy can play bass. It's totally one-paced and that pace is "mature". It pretty much sucks.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 20 January 2005 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)

:(

the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Thursday, 20 January 2005 22:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Two of them are wearing cowboy boots in the press photo.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 20 January 2005 22:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Ed's totally right about A Distant History too. It's fucking great. They've probably got half-a-dozen really great b-sides, all better than anything on this record. (Caveat - I've not heard ALL the b-sides.)

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 20 January 2005 23:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh no. I like the single now. Maybe I'm goign to enjoy a plodding mid-placed rock record again. SHit, I'm going to revert to my mopey 14-year old self....

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 20 January 2005 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...
They're 'beloved' apparently:

IDLEWILD'S "WARNINGS/PROMISES"

OUT IN U.S. AUGUST 16!

BELOVED SCOTTISH QUINTET TO RELEASE

FIRST ALBUM WITH NEW LINEUP


(New York, NY) - Scottish quintet Idlewild will release their fifth album, Warnings/Promises, in the U.S. on August 16th. The album is the first to feature the band's new lineup with bassist Gavin Fox and longtime touring guitarist Allan Stewart and was produced by Tony Hoffer (Beck, Air, Phoenix).

Warnings/Promises sounds like the work of a new band, and it is. It's their first album to be written collaboratively as a five-piece, and its songs -- although clearly Idlewild songs in essence -- are broader, richer and more ambitious. It's the sound of this former punk band's confidence finally flowering, its mad buzz of ideas coming suddenly into focus.

"We were introduced to Britain as a brash punk band, and first impressions do last," says frontman Roddy Woomble. "But in America we've always been perceived as a vaguely arty, literate rock band and I suppose that's closer to the truth."

That may explain why the nomadic Woomble moved to New York City's East Village during the writing of Warnings/Promises. "Norman Mailer said everyone should live in New York for six months, so I did," he explains. And Woomble and the group got to see much of America from its mega-stages, touring with Pearl Jam and acquiring a taste for stadium rock done right.

Idlewild retreated to their Edinburgh practice space with a new inter-band chemistry, notebooks crammed with ideas and a collaborative songwriting process in which the group simply sat down with acoustic guitars and wrote new songs from the bottom up, taking bare-boned hunks of melody and ideas and slowly working them into the tracks which would constitute the new album.

Once in their Edinburgh practice space the band simply sat down with acoustic guitars and notebooks filled with ideas, writing songs together from the bottom up. The new lineup immediately yielded changes - the addition of Gavin's vocals allowed the band to write three-way harmonies for the first time, and Allan's guitar would give new character to the instrumental arrangements, freeing up founding guitarist Rod Jones to follow his own more expansive flights of fancy.

The resulting songs were very much from Idlewild, but draw from a broader field of influences than before -- most notably Roddy's love of country and folk and the unleashing of the band's innate rock beast (particularly on the squalling acid blues of "I Want a Warning") - all things never fully demonstrated before. And Roddy's lyric book eschews its more abstract gestures for more direct words wanting very much to be heard.

"This album's very easy to understand," says Woomble. "There's nothing cryptic about it at all. I like storytellers and I think people appreciate a plot. Life's just a collection of stories."

New songs in hand, the band repaired to L.A.'s Sunset Sound with producer Tony Hoffer, and otherwise embarked on the best summer of their lives - sharing a house with a swimming pool and lemon trees in the Hollywood Hills.

The songs were slowly whittled down to the dozen songs on Warnings/Promises and recorded with grand vision and a pulsing heart. From the slow-burn anthem of opener "Love Steals Us From Loneliness," Idlewild announce their new sound with a dense crunch of sunny melancholic harmonies and fine folk melody spun over deeply intertwined guitars. What follows mixes arty blare, bittersweet pop, and the raw embers of Americana - sometimes within a single song.

Idlewild, Warnings/Promises

1. Love Steals Us From Loneliness
2. Welcome Home
3. I Want a Warning
4. I Understand It
5. As If I Hadn't Slept
6. Too Long Awake
7. Not Just Something but Always
8. The Space Between All Things
9. El Capitan
10. Blame It on Obvious Ways
11. Disconnected
12. Goodnight

Idlewild is:

Roddy Woomble - vocals
Rod Jones - guitar/vocals
Gavin Fox - bass/vocals
Allan Stewart - guitar
Colin Newton - drums

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 01:07 (twenty years ago)

Broader. Richer. More ambitious.

Three words that do not describe the record in any way, shape or form. Boring-er. Plodding-er. Serious comfort-zone indie noodlings slide guitar earnestness wake me when it's over.

They really were great, once upon a time.

edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 01:22 (twenty years ago)

edward very much otm.

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 01:32 (twenty years ago)

so true edward! this album is winning in the 'disappointment of 2005' race for me.

gem (trisk), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 01:52 (twenty years ago)

Roddy Woomble - vocals
ahahahahaaaa

gem (trisk), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 01:52 (twenty years ago)

Pointless underachieving shite.

Jetlag Willy (noodle vague), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 05:19 (twenty years ago)

so true edward! this album is winning in the 'disappointment of 2005' race for me.

I pretty much hated The Remote Part as well. So really only like 100 Broken Windows as I never heard their first album.

BeeOK (boo radley), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 06:05 (twenty years ago)

the first album has some better songs than 100BW but is also a bit more hit and miss. it would be possible to make a truly fantastic compilation drawing from Captain and the first three albums.

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 06:12 (twenty years ago)

there is infact a lovely little compilation promo thing that pops up on ebay from time to time that does indeed draw from various albums.

nice packaging.

mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 07:51 (twenty years ago)

it'd be mainly singles though, no?

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 07:52 (twenty years ago)

that promo compilation reminded me that actually since signing to a major they still had written great songs.
However this most recent album is still rubbish

jellybean (jellybean), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 07:56 (twenty years ago)

And thus miss Idea Track, their best song.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 07:57 (twenty years ago)

Idea Track is sick.

Why did i sell 100 br0k3n whatever

Cool Hand Luuke (ex machina), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 14:29 (twenty years ago)

Biggest REM ripoff ever: "American English"

-- Mr. Snrub

Maybe, but it was a great song. And better than a lot of latter day REM singles.

fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 14:42 (twenty years ago)

I made a compilation of all the best idlewild tracks recently. I missed out Captain (because the compilation was to load onto my ipod and i already had captain on there).

Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

otm about "american english" - if REM had, in fact, released it, it would have been their comeback single.

i liked 100 Broken Windows a lot, and parts of the one before it (i forget the name). i warmed up to the remote part eventually once i accepted that it was basically 'jimmy eat scotland', but my enjoyment of it was always a bit hedged. from what i've heard of the new one, it seems my days as a fan may be winding down. idlewild, welcome to aor hell.

PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 15:13 (twenty years ago)

four years pass...

listening to 'captain' has reminded me what exciting music sounds like

million dollar pig junior (electricsound), Friday, 18 September 2009 11:07 (sixteen years ago)

four months pass...

have spent a lot of time with woomble's my secret is my silence and the woomble/drever/mcclusker discs over the last week or so - boy oh boy is it good - a lot of heart, great musicianship, and of course woombles vocals - anyone else like this stuff?? --

jimmy_chop, Saturday, 6 February 2010 18:41 (fifteen years ago)

Saw Idlewild live last year, luckily for free. I say luckily cos at one point there was a 5min+ dual guitar solo that nearly made me walk out. But they did play a random 100BW era bside which made up for it, almost. I loved them when in was 19/20, but they seem very dull now.

No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 6 February 2010 18:59 (fifteen years ago)

I actually like their latest record.

Marty Innerlogic, Sunday, 7 February 2010 12:32 (fifteen years ago)

Awful lyrics. 'These Wooden Ideas' has to be one of the worst songs of all time in every respect.

PaulTMA, Sunday, 7 February 2010 12:53 (fifteen years ago)

three years pass...

http://sickmouthy.com/2013/03/17/idlewild-100-broken-windows-2000/

they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Sunday, 17 March 2013 18:22 (twelve years ago)

roddy's solo record is not especially good

electricsound, Monday, 18 March 2013 00:51 (twelve years ago)


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