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In a knittingly louche and idle moment I decided to try and guess my best friend's password for his hotmail account. The very first word I typed in granted me access ... Well, of course, I logged straight back out, but ... shit! Why couldn't I have spent my coffee break more constructively? Twelve unread messages ... 106 in his inbox. And will I manage to risist the temptation of logging back in one day? You see, whilst I've known my friend for many years, he's always remained private - infuriatingly so - and somewhat enigmatic. At this moment, I find it hard to recocile his usual insrutability with this dash predictable password. The 'word', for the record, is garynuman, which means my thread might vaguely belong in this forum, after all. It's made me realise how little I know about my friend, apart from his taste in music. I'm beginning to see the irony: one of the main things my friend has chosen to reveal about himeslf is that he loves Gary Numan, but this precious detail is suddenly the key to knowing a lot more ... Oh, but what if all there is to know is Gary Numan? OK, that's the music excuse for my thread out of the way - here's the domestics of how you can help: Does anyone have any ideas how I can get my friend to change his password without me having to confess?

Lesser Tit, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Maybe say, in passing, that you've heard on the radio that straightforward names as passwords get hacked all the time. The good thing about 'Gary' & 'Numan' is that there are no obvious number/letter similarities (eg JE2), so he'll hopefully change it to something more cryptic...worth a try?

Jez, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

you could tell him that you think your password has been guessed, and "i'm going to change it to something random, its not worth taking the risk is it?"

gareth, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The radio idea is perhaps the sort of thing I will end up doing. But I'm a really rum liar in person, so it I would probably look bloody obvious, and might make him terribly anxious needlessly. I still haven't dismissed the alterantive: finding out more about my friend; but this would feel a bit curb-crawley, I guess.

Lesser Tit, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I could perhaps say that I heard Gary Numan talking on the radio, about how passwords are being guessed all over the place by people ... no. You see, I'm possibly a tad transparent.

Lesser Tit, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

log in and send him an email from himself saying: "your password's been cracked - please change it to something more secure"

Paul, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Why don't you try, "I got bored the other day and decided to try to guess the password to your Hotmail account. I got it on the first try. You might want to change it"? Sometimes honesty can work.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I like your idea, Paul; Romantic, somehow: just leave his inbox as I found it, having left a box of milk tray; 'all because the lady loves Gary Numan'. Yes, I could still play the spy, but more like the benign pseudo bond in the old milk tray adverts ... But I'm still tempted to learn more about my friend ...

Lesser Tit, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

His last post proves that Dan Perry is a genius.

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

a couple of times in the past week when my girlfriend is over i've come into the room while she's been using my computer to check her hotmail and she rapidly closes whatever window she's looking at so i can't see. i checked my temporary internet files and she wasn't looking at any porno or anything else dodgy enough to hide from me. so i guess either there was an email she didn't want me to see (this is quite likely, though does not necessarily connote untrustworthiness) or she was snooping through my stuff (i have archived every e-mail i've received in the past year and a half).

so i installed a password sniffer on my computer. it was one of those trial versions so not perfect. then i uninstalled it, remembering what i went through the last time i decided to snoop. i was reading my ex-girlfriend's diary almost daily for the last several months of our relationship. i didn't find out anything terribly bad (a few good things actually) by reading it, but i felt compelled to read it all the same. the problem was, i wouldn't have been able to stop reading it ever.

it's really awful having a line into someone's inner thoughts. that's why this time i resolved not to do it.

fields of salmon, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Tracer: Aww... *looks at shoes, scuffs right foot bashfully while shrugging and looking adorably humble*

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sickening. Back to your cage, tweegothlord.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

My friend's password was: boombox. My other friend told everyone else that, and we read all his mail (he didn't have much). But privacy isn't that big of a deal among my friends, maybe it's different in UK. just mention Gary Numan alot whenever you talk, and wink.

A Nairn, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

In the middle of a conversation about something else entirely, just casually drop in: " Gary FUCKING Numan - what a WANKER he was, eh ?"

Jimmy Biro, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

just loggin and change it yourself. let him figure it out. change the launguage while your at it.

dyson, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...
Today, I finally did the honourable thing and sent an email to my friend, copying and pasting what Dan suggested upthread: "I got bored the other day and decided to try to guess the password to your Hotmail account. I got it on the first try. You might want to change it"?

Lesser Tit, Thursday, 3 June 2004 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)

cant wait for the outcome. i woulda gone with the Honest approach. but then again, i like hospital food.
we await the results Lesser .. (next guess : "flockofseagulls" ?)

mark e (mark e), Thursday, 3 June 2004 13:37 (twenty-one years ago)

No reply yet: on visiting his inbox, I see my confession remains unopened. I'm tempted to delete it.

Lesser Tit, Thursday, 3 June 2004 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

cyberguilt kicking in ..

mark e (mark e), Thursday, 3 June 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

does that mean that you've been reading your friend's email for nearly a year?

frankE (frankE), Thursday, 3 June 2004 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

...and that you're still snooping on him at the exact moment that you're confessing to snooping on him?

fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 3 June 2004 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes
Yes
And my last meal will be ...

In a weird way, I've grown to like my friend even more through my betrayal of him. I've mostly been able to resist opening his mail over the last two years (not that I'm proud), but one or two of the missives I did open, from other people, allowed me to see clearly beyond the mask he routinely sports for me, and I liked what I saw. Also, I have on occasion opened the emails from myself, before he's had a chance to pick them up, and I noticed some things about myself - some good, some not so attractive. In contrast to my friend's correspondence and personal contact with some others, with me it seems he's far more likely to be doing the listening, letting me talk on and over him. And I thought all there was to know was Gary Numan.

Lesser Tit, Thursday, 3 June 2004 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread is so creepy. I've read my ex-gf's journal and had a another ex- read mine and it's just a bad, bad idea anyway you cut it. Email can be quite close to a journal if the person uses it a bit...

57 7th (calstars), Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread has the whiff of fiction about it. It's like a short story by Tibor S. Crow.

Momus (Momus), Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Or by the scuffling vole, perhaps?

Plunging Hen, Thursday, 3 June 2004 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)

it takes you 2 years to send e-mail (OR to post here again), lesser tit?

:-)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 4 June 2004 03:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Still no reply, although he must have changed the password - I can't get in.

Now he knows that I know he was cheating on his girlfriend; and he knows that I know he sometimes finds being with me 'hard work', and that he thinks my eyes are 'starey', and that he thinks my hair is like a 'frothy periwig' (Lawrence from Felt actually sacked a band member simply because they had curly hair, and I know, after reading an email sent to his brother, that that's what my friend would do if he had a band and I, by chance, was in it); and he knows that I know he is waiting to have surgery to remove an inflamed tubercle from just above his left nipple, and that he's worried its removal will result in him going prematurely bald (he's read that such inflammations are caused by excess oestrogen, and he wonders, irrationally, if cutting out said tubercle might cause a hormonal coup, leading to a sudden surge of opportunistic testosterone)'.

Tibor S. Crow? He writes for Wire, don't he?

Lesser Tit, Friday, 4 June 2004 08:33 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
Just stumbled on this thread by accident, and I have to wonder how you would be in the band by chance. That is all.

Roxymuzak, Mrs. Carbohydrate (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 19:46 (twenty years ago)

this has to be a short story already, right?

marc h. (marc h.), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:04 (twenty years ago)

best. thread. ever.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 13:19 (twenty years ago)

can we get an update on the state of the friendship today please?

stirmonster (stirmonster), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 13:38 (twenty years ago)

Also, I have on occasion opened the emails from myself, before he's had a chance to pick them up, and I noticed some things about myself - some good, some not so attractive

Err...

Baaderonixx born in Xyxax (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:08 (twenty years ago)


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