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Has Sarah records stood the test of time? I mean when I listen to these comilpilations now, the best songs (Clearer, Sensitive, most things by the Orchids and Springfields) really stand out, the rest is fairly derivative. So was Sarah a huge influence at the time (I was young then) and is Marina (Paul Quinn, Shack,lots of others) carrying on this tradtion-lovely English modern folk music?Are Trembling Blue Stars better than Field Mice? I know, everyone who sent me letters would talk of these groups in such reverence. Lets talk about cutie music, as I'm sure people here (Billy Dods, Dr C, Martin Skidmore, Ned) can remember it! Do people still buy small singles and does this musoic have to sound better that way?? It would be interesting for me to know your views..

, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Not too sure about Sarah records itself, one or two good bands eg Field mice, Orchids but a lot of it was much of a muchness and the label in general, to my youthful mind at least, always resembled a poorly run but enthusiastic youth club (and an exclusive one at that) as much as a record label.

The scene itself (c86) was never more than a figment of the NME's imagination and to my mind has about as much significance in retrospect as that silly Bushell skinhead thingie or Romo but some great records came out of it including the already mentioned Chesterfields, Brilliant corners, early Soup dragons (before they went American), Motorcycle boy etc. I find it difficult to tell the difference between many of these and the Sarah stuff although Sarah tended to be slightly too twee and Fey even for my sensitive adolescent ears.

In conclusion, some good stuff, some bad, some a bit wet, great sleeves but I never really understood what the fuss was about regarding the label in general

Kris England, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

...well it certainly seems to have influenced Belle & Sebastian (esp. Fieldmice...who possibly also inspired Bob Stanley to form St Etienne). Apart from that, it was a real underground thing. There was a network of tiny labels with associated fanzines - great fun! This kind of thing still operates in the States (Blackbean,Popgun etc.)

Jez, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Kris~

I forgot to mention The Razorcuts; I Heard You... was hardly off my turntable during 1987.

Jez, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

curiously, one Sarah Records Field Mice track that stands the test of time best is called "It Isn't Forever" (off Skywriting).

suprematist (art) emotional death disco - it neatly bridges the gap between Joy Division and New Order.

Paul, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The Razorcuts. "Sorry to embarass you" was a real favourite of mine from about the same time as was "Big rock candy mountain" by Motorcycle boy but "The day before tomorrow" by the Pastels is just plain horrible and I'm still convinced that it's a pisstake cos nobody would dare to seriously be that cack handed on guitar. The worst record of the genre without a doubt.

Salad days, they were.

Kris England, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

brighter were good.

pulpo, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

yes Razorcuts-and the Servants, Felt of course and Shiny2Shiny! That maybe not a scebne, but very influential

, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Harvey Williams lurks around here someplace doesn't he...

GOOD SARAH Field Mice Orchids Springfields Sea Urchins Brighter

BAD SARAH Poppyheads Heavenly (tho I love Talulah Gosh) Sweetest Ache

baxter wingnut, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"Are Trembling Blue Stars better than Field Mice?"

Yes.

Marc, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

How odd that I've been invoked (then again, I was listening to Northern Picture Library the other day). I actually know very little via Sarah outside of NPL, the Field Mice, the Orchids and Shelley.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"the day before tomorrow" was by the bmx bandits was it not? it was the pastels' label though - 53rd and 3rd

on the whole, sarah strikes me as a little too self obsessed and mimsy twee. i always enjoyed the more fun bands of that era really...

commonswings, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I really never listen that much to the big ones (Field Mice et al). But I still like to hear the Razorcuts, Even As We Speak and East River Pipe. I just heard the 14 Iced Bears disc on Slumberland. I think their sarah stuff is on it and I really liked that.

brg30, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Speaking as someone who owns 98% of Sarah releases, most of it has dated terribly sound-wise but song-wise the strike rate is surprisingly high. I can't think of any Sarah song that I out-and-out dislike, although there are a couple of less-than-classic songs (Gentle Despite? Sweetest Ache?).

The label that matches Sarah best in both spirit and quality is Matinee - they've only put out one real dog (the french band Ego) over 40-odd releases..

electric sound of jim, Tuesday, 9 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

**Lets talk about cutie music, as I'm sure people here (Billy Dods, Dr C, Martin Skidmore, Ned) can remember it!**

'Cutie music' - oh no. I heartily loathe virtually everything I've heard on Sarah except a few Orchids and Field Mice trax. Oh and The Wake, but they're an anomaly.

The usual 'oh but there are some classic songs' line is ridiculous - how could anyone possibly think that unless they've never heard, say, Arthur Lee, H-D-H, Pete Shelley or Goffin/King....

Tripe.

Dr. C, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i love the ethos, it is twee yes, but theres something about the bicycles and sub-post offices and junk shops and cardigans and the cambridgeshireness and unrequited love that seems just ace!

fieldmice. large output, of which only some is great - search: if you need someone, below the stars, quicksilver, when morning comes to town

another sunny day. if you can get hold of 'london weekend', the singles compliation then you must do so. especially for 'whats happened to you my dearest friend' which is one of the best sarah songs. 'you should all be murdered' is good too, but slightly let down by the pseudo-morrissey vox. 'i'm in love with a girl that doesn't know i exist' is good too, perhaps a little too mimsy for most tastes, seemed pretty apt for 14 year old me though, and, um, mid 20s me as well. sigh

secret shine. more shoegaze/slowdive than most sarah records bands. into the ether is a great song, theres some others but i cant remember the titles

gentle despite. i actually like 'shadow of a girl' but it doesn't seem to be hugely popular in sarah circles

east river pipe. atypical of sarah bands. seemed a different thing really. but i think the records are great. check '40 miles' and 'make a deal with the city' from goodbye california, and 'million, trillion' from poor fricky. in fact just by those 2 albums, but they're more driving in new jersey than cycling in wiltshire!

the aberdeen singles are good too

i liked st christopher despite the vox that many people seemed to have a problem with, they are a bit 'pronounced' but i like it. they were from york weren't they, and did they/he become gnac/montgolfier brothers, or did i just make that up?

gareth, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I sold all my Sarah singles, flexidiscs etc for huge profit a few years ago when faced by a final Poll Tax demand - if you're going to sell out, you may as well do it shamelessly. I loved them at the time, but most had been unplayed for years, & looking back, it was the best practical use for them - I have never regretted it.

Bham, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i liked st christopher despite the vox that many people seemed to have a problem with, they are a bit 'pronounced' but i like it. they were from york weren't they, and did they/he become gnac/montgolfier brothers, or did i just make that up?

I think you just made that up. At least, that's the first I've ever heard someone connecting St Christopher with Gnac.

Can't wait for the new Montgolfier Brothers album btw.

marianna, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

mark tranmer biography

gareth, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

hmmm. st. christopher - 1 stayed in my dorm once, hence my initial disbelief. i guess they had a rotating lineup. Or! maybe he was a guitarist in the other "bad" st. christopher from the united states!

marianna, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Again, I've got just about everything on Sarah, and oddly enough I still play it frequently, though not the obvious parts (much as I love the Field Mice I have to have time away from them otherwise I get a bit sick).

The darker corners of the Sarah catalogue are sometimes the most interesting - I'm playing the Sweetest Ache's only Sarah LP at the moment and find it as pure as I remember it at the time. Sure, the vocals of some bands were an acquired taste, but musically and lyrically sometimes they were spot on. And I LOVE the two Gentle Despite singles. I can remember getting the second single home, thinking "Wouldn't it be funny if they've gone heavy metal?" and dropping the needle on "Torment to me", a rock monster (by Sarah standards) and laughing out loud. And the pre-Slowdive Eternal - what potential. The only Sarah records I outright hated were the Heavenly LPs (great singles, dreadful LPs) and the Rosaries single, otherwise everything else is just fine. But then I lived through it all and have memories attached to each record.

Dated? Well, hasn't a lot of early 90s stuff dated anyway? The whole underground scene in the UK seemed to die around the same time as Sarah closed shop, the Waaah! imprint and Biscuits distribution seemed to give way at the same time. It's a shame as it was a true underground circuit that seemed to thrive for a while.

Rob M, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I liked the poppyheads! oh yes, ph34r m3. i was un-nerved when it turned out they were in the year ahead of me at college! i was a real sucker for all this stuff, and it (combined with the Weddoes) is entirely responsible for my hardkore indieness inclinations.

Alan Trewartha, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Much as I liked the Sarah stalwarts of the Orchids and Field Mice it was the less typical bands I liked most:

Sarah put out one or two singles by Dublin band The Harvest Ministers who were rather wonderful. They released a few more albums over the years after leaving Sarah. They even still turn up playing gigs in Dublin every couple of years but not for a while now. They used a more eclectic variety of instruments than the average sarah band (violin, alto sax) which at the time seemed wonderfully exotic but these days between Calexico, Tindersticks and the High llamas seems a bit less so.

And the Sugargliders (NZ, Oz based???) were great - I still remember Trumpets Play.

Winkelmann, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

can;t believe no one has mentioned, but the two blueboy albums are classics IMO

g, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

So the quitessential "I'm in love with a girl who doesn't know I exist" by Another Sunny Day ...... this had to be in some sense ironic or knowing.

And while Creation cutie bands are being mentioned anyone ever notice Apple Boutique, one great single called "Love Resistance" circa 1988.

Ah, so many memories.

Winkelmann, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Dr. C obviously has no clue BTW

g, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sarah:UK :: K:US ?

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

'Glass Arcade' is the worst compilation LP I have ever heard. If you (still) want it, g, it's yours.

Jeff W, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

must be a different g... I never said anything about wanting a copy of glass arcade

g, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i'll take it though, if you're offering...

g, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I am indeed ancient enough to remember this useless crowd. I remember being at a soundcheck with my pals the support band (I don't suppose any of you remember the Android Pups? Thought not) and the leader of the Sarah Records (possibly Sarahesque only, I don't remember who it was now) headliners said "we can turn the sound down a lot more before it sounds hopelessly wimpy" and me and my pals looked at each other, all thinking (later confirmed) but it already sounds hopelessly wimpy. I suggested an alternative view: that it could go a lot louder before it distorted unbearably.

This was in the back room of a pub. I was driving, and had had a pint at lunchtime, and so ordered an orange juice. The barman honestly said "What are you, some kind of pouf?"

Martin Skidmore, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sugargliders are from Melbourne, and one day will have their own tribute album (on Drive In, if they ever bother to release it grrr).. their singles are great, although I don't feel quite the same affection towards them as I used to. Yes, the first two Blueboy albums are great, especially the first. I think of all the Sarah stuff it's the later stuff I only really listen to much anymore (Boyracer, the rockier Action Painting! singles, Aberdeen, Shelley). Oh, and "Anorak City" because I finally got hold of it the other day. It's less noisy than I remembered.

electric sound of jim, Wednesday, 10 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

**Dr. C obviously has no clue BTW**

Then convince me, g. Put me straight.

Dr. C, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Apple Boutique - I think they were one of Felt & one of the Servants. "Apple Boutique" is also a track on Felt's greatest album - "Pictorial Jackson Review"

Bham, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Apple Boutique were indeed Bloke from Servants (Phil??) and I'll take your word that the other guy was in Felt.

I still like Felt a lot, as in I actually still play their stuff.

Winkelmann, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

well, Dr. C., I can't agree with your statement that the label was tripe. Personally, I'm more of an album guy and not a singles collector, so I don't have the complete S. discography or anything (and I realize they were essentially a singles label - but fortuantely almost everything was released on compilations as well), but most of the actual albums they put out are pretty good: The Blueboy ones that I mentioned, The Field Mice, The Wake, The Orchids, Sugargliders, Even As We Speak, The 2nd Heavenly record, I even like the Harvest Ministers album, etc. I think the compilations are good too and show the consistency of the Sarah sound. The bands all fit but don't necessarily sound exactly the same. Sure, there are some things I don't like about the lable: generally less than stellar sound quality, less than stellar graphic/package design, maybe a bit too much recylcling of tracks for compilations (not a big deal since like I said I am not a singles collector. I think their hit rate with their bigger acts is very high, the lesser known acts that only did one or two singles is understandably lower. Anyway, if you don't go for the sound, that's fine, but they had a sound, one that was really pretty unusual for their times (early - to mid 90s mostly), and they stayed pretty true to the sound. Sure they were heavily influenced by the early Creation stuff et al, but they never went faddish or laddish like the earlier generation of UK post punk indie labels.

g, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

two years pass...
sweetest ache - if i could shine!

missed this one before. most of their stuff i wasnt that into, but this is good. the another sunny day, field mice, east river pipe and secret shine records i still play quite a bit

charltonlido (gareth), Saturday, 18 June 2005 11:10 (twenty years ago)

There is so much ordinariness and wetness in the catalogue as a whole (The Field Mice, for instance, are seriously overrated, as are the legions who seemed fond of a similar template), but here are the first five reasons I can think of to be occassionally glad that the label existed:

1. The Sea Urchins - their singles, and hence the Stardust comp, were all great. Probably the one thing here I'd rank as an all-time favourite.
2. Talulah Gosh - that posthumous comp of Peel sessions and to a lester extent the early Heavenly records.
3. Boyracer - all the Sarah singles, arguably their best recordings.
4. Sugargliders - their singles, and We're All Trying To Get There comp.
5. Another Sunny Day - the approximately 70% of the London Weekend comp where one doesn't mistake them for the Field Mince. "Anorak City," "You Should All Be Murdered," etc.

It's faintly amusing that while the 7" supposedly reigned supreme at the time as the politically sound medium, I mostly heard this stuff on those CD comps found in dusty pawn shops circa 1995.

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Saturday, 18 June 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)

that particular sweetest ache track is the only one that's any good. their album was dreadful.

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Sunday, 19 June 2005 01:17 (twenty years ago)

'jaguar' is a great album. the second one 'grass roots' was dire.

'tell me how it feels' is also a sweetest ache classic.

nag is pretty well off the mark by omitting even as we speak(still think their album is the best thing ever on sarah),the orchids, secret shine, northern picture library, blueboy(meet johnny rave, some gorgeous accident, also-ran, all of the if wishes were horses album, all fantastic), the rosaries single, and really everything that heavenly released on sarah was excellent. really the only sarah band i had little use for was st christopher.

keith m (keithmcl), Sunday, 19 June 2005 01:25 (twenty years ago)

Secret Shine are freakin' awesome!

That One Guy (That One Guy), Sunday, 19 June 2005 03:03 (twenty years ago)

Shelley was great. Err, I mean, Orlando. Cheating?

Atnevon (Atnevon), Sunday, 19 June 2005 06:54 (twenty years ago)

hello Simon Kehoe!

zappi (joni), Sunday, 19 June 2005 06:58 (twenty years ago)

nag is pretty well off the mark by omitting even as we speak...[and 6 others]

Didn't mean to suggest all else was worthless; that was just a quick late-night back-of-a-napkin treatise on why I personally am a little bit glad for the label's existence. That said, I've never really been convinced of the greatness of more than a couple of EAWS or Secret Shine songs, that's true.

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Sunday, 19 June 2005 06:58 (twenty years ago)

They all wish they were the Sea Urchins.

The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Sunday, 19 June 2005 07:09 (twenty years ago)

aw, glass arcade is one of the best compilations ever!

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Sunday, 19 June 2005 07:42 (twenty years ago)

four years pass...

Finally listening to the Orchids' "Unholy Soul." I'd always skipped it as it has essentially the same cover art as the Epicurean compilation, and I assumed that Epicurean would have cherry picked all the best stuff.

Totally wrong. I kind of wish this band had been on another label, where they wouldn't have gotten all tangled up in political theories about how one should release music. Along with not being especially jangly or particularly twee (as we in the US understand the term, I think) they're standing the test of time extremely well. Any number of songs that theoretically could have been minor hits in the US at a particular time in the 80's...

dlp9001, Saturday, 30 January 2010 16:37 (sixteen years ago)

one year passes...

a random tweet in my feed tonight :

"joel_sloan joel sloan
My cousin used to own an indie record label called Sarah Records.Haven't heard a great deal of their stuff before so working through it now.
"

mark e, Friday, 30 September 2011 22:47 (fourteen years ago)

A couple of months back my wife told me that one of other dads from school used to play the drums in 'a band called 13 Polar Bears or something'. Hmmm.

master musicians of jamiroquai (NickB), Friday, 30 September 2011 23:12 (fourteen years ago)

good tribute band name

whiney g. aimhouse (electricsound), Saturday, 1 October 2011 00:54 (fourteen years ago)

My cousin used to own an indie record label called Sarah Records.Haven't heard a great deal of their stuff before so working through it now.

I'm guessing they didn't see each other at holiday events much.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 1 October 2011 02:36 (fourteen years ago)

Listening to Blueboy's "Unisex," what a gorgeous album!

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 1 October 2011 02:37 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Sarah-Records-Book/211713058883967

chromecassettes, Sunday, 2 October 2011 11:22 (fourteen years ago)

one year passes...

so this song is in large part an homage to the sort of dream pop i closely associate w/ sarah records

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOF70JZJB0w

here's my question: at :24 to :30 the singer does this particular chromatic slide that INSTANTLY makes me think of field mice/another sunny day/even as we speak/etc. what exactly is happening there, musically. help a brother out.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 12 October 2012 16:18 (thirteen years ago)

it does sound a bit like something bob wratten could have written.

ian curtis e. bear (electricsound), Friday, 12 October 2012 21:29 (thirteen years ago)

Wow, I'd never really cared for the Raveonettes before but that song's pretty great.

Gavin, Leeds, Friday, 12 October 2012 22:12 (thirteen years ago)

Like this vocal?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-6Cu30K_1s

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 12 October 2012 23:25 (thirteen years ago)

it's not the general quality of her voice that i'm referring to (although that too is reminiscent of the sarah sound) but that particular moment of the melody.

and yeah i'm not really much of a raveonettes fan (starting w/ their awful name) but that song is v pretty.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Sunday, 14 October 2012 00:50 (thirteen years ago)

I'm pleased to see that someone is finally writing a book on Sarah Records. I can't remember full details but I'm subscribed to the page on Facebook about it, I think it's the guy who wrote the sleevenotes to the Blueboy reissues, and he's trying to track down as many people involved as he can - he's found members of The Golden Dawn and possibly even Gentle Despite! Respect! It should be good.

Rob M Revisited, Sunday, 14 October 2012 07:56 (thirteen years ago)

Loool gentle despite

peno does eno (electricsound), Sunday, 14 October 2012 09:37 (thirteen years ago)

or Genital Desperate as Peel once called them when he misread their name on air...

Talcum Mucker, Sunday, 14 October 2012 19:04 (thirteen years ago)

five years pass...

https://daily.bandcamp.com/2018/09/04/bandcamp-sarah-records-guide/amp/

Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Thursday, 6 September 2018 05:31 (seven years ago)

one year passes...

So Slumberland (re?)issued a Springfields singles comp, and wow they sound pretty great, I slept on them at the time. First Americans on the label makes them the Throwing Muses of Sarah. They kinda stand out as more retro/psych (especially their frequency and choice of cover songs) than the rest of the twee pop gang.

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 18:03 (six years ago)

Which is also the role that Choo-Choo Train played in the Subway Organisation - Ric Menck and Paul Chastain played in both bands.

everything, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 19:43 (six years ago)

one year passes...

some familiar names on this very good compilation: https://ndrthebridge.bandcamp.com/album/under-the-bridge

adam, Friday, 8 April 2022 14:50 (four years ago)

Oh yeah, I've been obsessed with that Luxembourg Signal track!

Evan, Friday, 8 April 2022 15:00 (four years ago)

very nice but the RHCP track seems wildly out of place

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Friday, 8 April 2022 20:45 (four years ago)

I was meant to be seeing Swansea Sound, the Pooh Sticks/Heavenly supergroup, in Hastings a few weeks ago but it was postponed due to the storm (which I was pleased about because said storm meant I couldn't get there anyway). I need to listen to that comp

even the birds in the trees seemed to whisper "get fucked" (bovarism), Friday, 8 April 2022 23:24 (four years ago)

How many of these bands is Beth Arzy a member of?

(But seriously, listened for new Luxembourg Signal and enjoyed the whole thing.)

Let's disco dance, Hammurabi! (Austin), Friday, 8 April 2022 23:33 (four years ago)

lol but the last Jetstream Pony album is pretty awesome

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Saturday, 9 April 2022 01:20 (four years ago)


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