TS: Joy Division vs. Flipper (hint - FLIPPERFLIPPERFLIPPER!!!)

Flipper=Good band. Joy division=(in my opinion)great band.

I have enjoyed immensely your contributions to this forum but don't you think you ought to ease off a little.

"Don't make yourself so anxious, you'll give yourself an ulcer". (by a "crap" english band)

I don't think this stuff is meant to be an insight (and anyone that goes to songs to find 'insights' into the human condition from a 20 (?) year old is a moron).

''"I'M LOOKING FOR A GUIDE TO TAKE ME BY THE HAND" - I see, he wants his mommy. (Or his 'nanny state' - WHOAH! I didn't say that, I get in enough shit as it is, ignore that)''

what do you want from an 'artist'. I don't want ppl to set an 'example' to me.

''And sadly for some idealists, commercial success [even by proxy] is still the only reliable indicator of this and Brits have a real problem with that because it involves talking about MONEY and that's a sore point as none of them HAVE any, so as a defense mechanism they prefer heroic [ha] failures like Nick Drake or Ian Curtis and use their supposed interestingness to prop up their own fatalism, the socialism of an apolitical age)''

are you a member of 'new' labour dave?

Nevr heard flipper though but yr stuff on JD is just wrong.

You're accusing him of 'jejune'-osity ?

Never even heard of Flipper (igno-rant git) but I'm actually with Mr Q on alot of this (partly because he scares me).

JD have about 6 great songs - but they also have a first album that somewhat hilariously has those Rose-Royce 'poopoo' syndrums on it, and are almost entirely responsible for the subsequent pre-goth- misery-tribe Manc-Wank Still-Waters-Run-Deep & Meaningless Long Mac Brigade that ended up turning your own special personal misery into one giant collective one you could share with others at 'gigs' and 'festivals'. The Bass That Launched A Thousand Shits.

LOL flipper shits on joy division, is this obvious yet?

flipppper flippppper flipppppperrrrr

This thread makes me vaguely regret going for Flipper. Guilt by association or something.

fuck joy division, flipper rules

yeah flipper so much better in every way

Flipper, just because they were so much nearer where I was as an angry, malajusted teen.

- drunk and lairy, that is. But then singles like 'Love Canal' stand up just as music, I reckon.

I AM THE WHEE-UL
I AM THE WHEE-UL
(shatter, shatter)

or angry, maladjusted adult

Flipper were defiant punk rock in many of its guises. Funny,fuck you,cleverly sloppy, angry,hateful,hilarious,nihilistic, miserable and more. Joy Division were just miserable

Another Flipper rules, OK?

flipper still rules ok

yeah flipper rules until the will shatter biopic, then it's 'SWANS RULE!'

Also, Ian Curtis used to fake epileptic seizures to get his own way, which "sets the plight of the disabled back 1,000 years" as they say

-- dave q, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (5 years ago) Link

Ian's Mom: Ian, clean your room.
Ian: Oh no...Someth..somethings happening!...NOOO! GRrrrRRAaaahaah
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/poopcan3000/IANCURTIS.gif

aww. i meant to use this one.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y213/naxxty/iancurtis.gif

anyone seen the joy division documentary? or dave q's meth stash?

I have some sketchy DVD that I like.

This is the best thread title ever.

holy shit dave q is a genius.

well worth a revive

One of his best, easy.

it's a shame after all this that flipper suck so much but oh well

gong noise

http://messenger.msn.com/MMM2006-04-19_17.00/Resource/emoticons/cry_smile.gif

lol sry

what's up with the current flipper tour

joy division ain't that hot

flipper is still the answer

If I can't be drunk, I don't wanna be alive.

This is happening soon in Seattle:

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj242/donaldparsley/ConcertforChangeFlier.jpg

There's another flyer for it that looks something like this, but I couldn't find it on the webs:

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj242/donaldparsley/flipperbama.jpg

in the original, the fishy is less upside down

revive!!

he was right, you know--flipper 100%

It's a great thread and great comparison still -- and the ever increasing canonization of JD in contrast to Flipper's relative obscurity should be considered as well.

Played Flipper on the radio this week, not Joy Division.

appreciate joy division, would nod sagely in a museum. love flipper.

eh, Unknown Pleasures is like a cracking surf-rock band hiring a Jim Morrison-impersonator to sing and writing a concept album about the Holocaust. hardly museum fare.

dunno, that'd probably go over okay at MOMA

haha

Flipper way more fun and just as intense as JD. Flipper * 1000.

Apples and oranges race. I happen to love Flipper, but we need both, and a lot of people close to me need JD very much indeed.

I mean, I like Flipper more too, but I think the JD backlash is kinda useless. Soukesian otm; we need both.*

*(this is coming from someone who still has yet to listen to Closer)

i don't know if i ever actually found myself thinking he was OTM about anything but for creative contrarian lolz dave q beats metal mike any day of the week, gotta say.

BTW, I have seen it noted, several times, that Ricky Williams was in the running to replace Ian Curtis. Mainly seen this in Midgets' related things though, and nothing from New Order. Was this true? I kind of doubt it. Maybe I should ask the people I know in the Midgets.

Barney says in his book that the only person from outside the band that they seriously considered was Mal from Cabaret Voltaire, but Hooky killed it because Mal plays bass too.

This thread has me imagining an alternate-universe Bruce Loose and Ted Falconi trying to convince Subterranean Records to cough up the money to record an album in Ibitha.