So what were the major influences and touchstones on '00s music?

When I heard the Passion Pit's "Sleepyhead" the other day it had me thinking about the success of MGMT, and then wondering how great the trickle-down effect the Flaming Lips' The Soft Bulletin and Mercury Rev's Deserters Songs was on indie this decade. Certainly those two albums pointed towards the direction that indie was to go, at least in some circles, this past decades.

But what other pre-2000 and noughties bands, albums, and singles worked as blueprints for a lot of what was to come this decade? I can immediately think of The Gang Of Four's Entertainment album, of course, as another indie rock foundation, but what else? You can list stuff from earlier in the decade if it was to be influential throughout the rest of it. Just give me the stuff you think was pretty influential on this decade.

Joy Division and The Cure come to mind (indie in the 00s had an underground-80s fixation).

"Sleepyhead" borrows as much from Kanye as it does MGMT/Flaming Lips.

Jay-Z's The Blueprint (2001) pretty much set the course of hip-hop this decade.

Rock and Roll with no bass guitar was an idea that came into it's own. The Gories/Flat Duo Jets/Oblivions seemed to be the bands that showed the way, even if it got started with Cramps and Pussy Galore.

Duran Duran

"Freak folk" (remember that?) drew on stuff like Incredible String Band, Fairport Convention, and Pearls Before Swine.

Jay-Z's The Blueprint (2001) pretty much set the course of hip-hop this decade.

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huh? i don't see it i guess.

The Blueprint --> rise of Kanye-style sampling and production techniques --> ended up being the most culturally prominent style of hip-hop this decade (all in my opinion, I suppose).

that stuff seems like a blip compared to half-time beats, synths, autotune, etc.

I can immediately think of The Gang Of Four's Entertainment album, of course, as another indie rock foundation

Ha, I remember back in 2002, a guy I know had just discovered Entertainment and was raving about it to me, saying "This sounds like stuff I would listen to now."

hiphop and mashups shook hands

minimalism/kraut/repetition came and went

autotune, yes

numerous vocal ticks/affections

nu-rave actually became a thing

crate digging chose a different era

mmm, lots happened

00s == southern rap production

yeah, sure. sampling took a diff meaning in hiphop thanks to timbaland etc

00s who were the eclectic weirdos in pop music? if that's even possible these days.

timbaland produced on the blueprint

The TR-808.

Weird Al vindicated in 00s.

Can you think of any music popularized by a youtube video that doesn't bear some trace of Weird Al's sensibility?

Sadly, KOrn.

Electroclash (and perhaps all more recent "electro" genres) were highly influenced by the music and fictional New York of the film Liquid Sky. There's not a little in every Lady Gaga costume.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_lJVagPMzDFc/SmCN36EBuUI/AAAAAAAAAGU/3m6qeLBFYco/s400/Liquid%2BSky.jpg

In the last 10 or so years, a lot of folkie/indie artists namedrop & have obv been borrowing from Nick Drake & general cultural awareness of his music has escalated substantially during that time.

Sadly, KOrn. - also, Pearl Jam (not that its their fault)

Cher- Believe

The TR-808.

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Fruity Loops aka FL Studio Pro and/or Ableton Live.

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Daft Punk - Homework

Jay-Z's The Blueprint (2001) Lil Jon & the Eastside Boyz' Kings of Crunk (2002) pretty much set the course of hip-hop this decade.

boredoms
six finger satellite
escape from new york OST

prog rock

Electroclash (and perhaps all more recent "electro" genres) were highly influenced by the music and fictional New York of the film Liquid Sky.

"I'm a killer, and I kill with my cunt," or something like that.

Madonna's work with Mirwais may have been considered sort of a blind alley at the time, but it has been very influential on a lot of electronic 00s pop.

And sure, Daft Punk. The return of the straight unsyncopated 4/4 beat is very much down to their influence.

yeah, where did that sraight 4/4 beat go for so many decades? what a welcome relief to have it finally back in our clutches!

i kinda want to hear geir's fantasy world of fucked up 7/8 ying yang twinz (feat. damon che) songs

The TR-808.

must be retired asap

NEVER!

D-Nice will never die IMO

coming at this from a different place than y'all.

6 things that have become evident in the indie/garage basement corner where i spend most of my time:

1) the black lips & "flower punk". huge impact on TONS of bands over the course of the decade. circa 00 it was all hellacopters style buttrawk & amped up gearhead shit, w the white stripes & dirtbombs out at the margins doing their thing. now everyone's got this relaxed, cynical, strummy lilt to their tunes, and lots of 60s nuggets moves of various sorts. in some ways this links up with the trickle down of freak folk/new weird america, and you wind up with stuff like woods & ganglians (not that i think either are in any way black lips influenced, just a parallel development). have to give more indie-oriented bands like the gris-gris a lot of credit here, too.

2) recorder grot & lo fi midrange abuse a la early pavement & gbv, xpressway & siltbreeze folks, dead c, etc. application of thick layers of obscurantist process crud to basically simple music made a HUGE comeback, and is still working its way through the collective psyche. at this point the plague has spread far beyond the termbo hit list. thank you times new viking. maybe worth thinking about this as a flowering of the early 00s fascination with "noise" - specifically, the severing of noise from the need to be full-on confrontational all the time (a la wolf eyes & most load recs folks). obvious meeting place between noise & garage = hospitals' hairdryer peace lp, but lots of other examples kicking around.

3) black fuckin metal! black metal was massive in the 00s, and not just among metal peoples. don't know how this happened exactly, perhaps related to the publication of lords of chaos, perhaps the glow of accumulated cred just became impossible to ignore. mount eerie has a black metal record for godsake, and for a while there, every other thing listed on the aquarius board was "blackened". weird how this runs parallel to the emergence of the ultra lo fi shitgaze thing - similar aesthetics in at least one obvious way.

4) metal in general. metal metal metal. after the death of grunge and the diminishment of nu-metal, the genre too off in a ton of different directions and, it seems to me, has been heavily influential on music of all kinds non metal music and peoples. doom & stoner rock, cultish genres in the 90s, became this colossal big deal in the 00s, maybe mostly due to the work of people who used to be in kyuss & sleep (and hell, sleep itself thanks to dopesmoker/jerusalem reissue). isis & neurosis style progressive post-metal sort of stole the post-rock narrative from jazzy noodlers like tortoise, probably for the better. earth convinced metalheads & indies that they should be interested in fog machines and bass drones.

5) ambience and minimalism in general. not just related to electronic/club music. plays into the black metal thing and other trends in post-rock metal, reemergence of cold wave as a fashionable revivalist genre, blankdoggin, fascination with drones in all types of music, etc.

6) arpeggios. arpeggios are the shit, i'm telling you.

edits:

4) "...the genre took off in a ton of different directions and ... has been influential on music of all kinds all kinds of non-metal music and peoples."

thank you

oh, wait! electrodribble ftw!!!

i-f "space invaders are smoking grass" (1997)

plz don't retire the 808

the bassdrum can stay just get rid of the rest

one 808, under god, indivisible

The 00s have been about the Linn and the 808. The 909 seems to have been a more typical 90s sound though.

Any idea what influenced this punkpop thing (Avril Lavigne, Pink, Kelly Clarkson). "Teenage Dirtbag" by Wheatus is the first one I can think of in that style, but that one alone cannot have influenced an entire genre, or...?

Uh Geir, Green Day? Descendents? Rancid? The Clash? Plenty of fucking poppunk before Wheatus.

heard a couple things recently that put me in the mind of sleater-kinney. a song or two from tegan & sara's new (sainthood), and Jaguar Love. and i reckon Jemima Pearl could qualify here

damn, tried to spellchekque: Jemina

Uh Geir, Green Day? Descendents? Rancid? The Clash? Plenty of fucking poppunk before Wheatus.

I know I know. But, in a way, those are leaning a bit more towards punk while Avril and her likes are pop with only a few punk elements. And I know little of that before Wheatus. Well, other than Blondie, but that was more than 20 years earlier.

And, well, OK, Transvision Vamp too maybe. But still not likely to have influenced something that didn't happen until 15 years later.

Of course Offspring were pretty huge around the turn of the millenium, so they may have had some impact.

I think we're forgetting the biggest circa-2000 pop-punk band, Blink-182.

plus stuff like weezer, nerfherder, NIRVANA, the offspring, emoh as a pop genre, etc.

Nirvana in their absolute most pop-rock moments, yeah I guess.. I haven't heard anything on the radio that remotely resembles In Utero in the past 5 years.

In terms of non-radio stuff, I guess bands like No Age or Jay Retard come closest.

I think it's an awesome yet overrated album, but Arcade Fire's "Funeral" seems to be both a touchstone and a major influence on many albums released ever since.. for better or worse.

thirding Daft Punk

plus stuff like weezer, nerfherder, NIRVANA, the offspring, emoh as a pop genre, etc.

But again, they are considerably less pop. Musically, Avril Lavigne, Pink, Kelly Clarkson and the Disney Bunch (Miley Cyrus, Jonas Brothers) have more in common with Blondie and Transvision Vamp than they do with those more rock oriented bands. But a bit more with Blink 182 maybe.

i don't know in what sense the likes of weezer can be said to be "less pop" than anything. they're less consciously aimed at young girls than avril and kelly, if that's what you mean.

are you drawing a line between rock and pop and saying that anything that smacks of rock is not pop? i can understand that distinction, but how is wheatus not rock by that logic?

if we're trying to find the roots of vaguely "punk" elements in contemporary, producer-manufactured teenpop, then i don't think wheatus makes any more sense as ground zero than any of a hundred bands over the last 30 years or so.

And for Blnk 182, you can really just point a finger at the Decendents.

i don't know in what sense the likes of weezer can be said to be "less pop" than anything. they're less consciously aimed at young girls than avril and kelly, if that's what you mean.

Also consideraly less use of keyboards/computers/autotune. And the way Weezer usually mix the vocals way behind in the mix also puts more empasis on the guitars.

xp: ah, just realized someone already posted that.

if we're trying to find the roots of vaguely "punk" elements in contemporary, producer-manufactured teenpop, then i don't think wheatus makes any more sense as ground zero than any of a hundred bands over the last 30 years or so.

Now, what may be sort of an influence is the fact that same age boys were starting to get into heavier rock at the same time (all those Guitar Hero bands getting a new audience because of that game), and I guess Avril and Pink were the girls way of responding that "Yes we can "rock" too".

could someone lead me in the right direction ? its the thread that discusses what artists prior to this last decade had the most influence on this decade.

thanks !

whoops didnt mean to post that

I was thinking that we can probably throw a bone to ELO in this topic. Bands like Daft Punk and the Super Furry Animals (plenty of others, too) were doing the retro-futurist pop thing that reminds me of ELO at their peak.

beards
singing like a goat
animal references

Re: Avril/Kelly, I'm sure I read somewhere that the Josie & The Pussycats soundtrack anticipated '00s girl pop-punk but I've never heard it (nor seen the film) so that could be way off.

Beach Boys

i hate them but, neutral milk hotel

I guess Avril and Pink were the girls way of responding that "Yes we can "rock" too".

Compared to them, Jem was truly outrageous.

I have a theory that the world tolerated a lot of New York-based crap since we sorry for them after 9/11. Hence: Interpol, The Strokes, Williamsburg, electroclash.

I was thinking that we can probably throw a bone to ELO in this topic. Bands like Daft Punk and the Super Furry Animals (plenty of others, too) were doing the retro-futurist pop thing that reminds me of ELO at their peak.

Only wish there were more bands doing this (well). BTW, Ex. A for this is The New Pornographers.

I have a theory that the world tolerated a lot of New York-based crap since we sorry for them after 9/11. Hence: Interpol, The Strokes, Williamsburg, electroclash.

I think we tolerated a lot of crap after 9/11, PERIOD. I am not naming names, though. However, I find the above bands tolerable. I don't hate the Strokes at all!!

Might just be a coincidence, but I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. Reynolds had peeked at this thread before writing this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2010/jan/22/eighties-revival-decade

A lot of the same points and narratives come up.

italo. Anyone mention italo?

and NY didn't/doesn't need anyone feeling sorry for it.

The MP3 file format and electronic distribution thereof.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/aug04/images/masteringl2.l.jpg

The Ultramaximizer OTM. I still cannot understand why people want to limit dynamic peaks, but peak limiting is very much the sound of the 00s.

I haven't heard anything on the radio that remotely resembles In Utero in the past 5 years.
I heard a song on the radio the other day that sounds like some ass decided to write a mock-Nirvana song in 5 minutes. Chorus was "She f*in' hates meeee". Sounded like a "Rape Me" rip.

Just googled it. Apparently it's by Puddle of Mudd.

*shudder*

Oof. Apparenlty it's from 2001. So ignore above posts.

Glad I missed it first time around though.

there were two or three Puddle of Mudd tribute records on iTunes last time i looked

Question is, kshighway, why did you look? ;-)