(1) LEGEND: THE BEST OF BOB MARLEY & the WAILERS
and
(2) VIOLENT FEMMES by the Violent Femmes.
....also, if you happen to agree on these two choices, please explain your thoughts on why. Personally speaking, it seems both of these albums offer an accessible sampling of rebellion that doesn't seem to require any adventurous departure into the unconventional. Despite the inherent irony of Marley's earnest paeans against opression being championed by BMW-driving, tobacco-chewing white guys in J.Crew shirts carrying lacrosse sticks, I've never heard fuckin' "Three Little Birds" or "Buffalo Soldier" that often outside of a college dorm. Simillarly, the `Femmes seminal debut offered the attitude and youthful snarl of Punk Rock without getting too messed up in agitprop or needlessly high decibels. It was the "Punk Rock" that was okay for the Preppys to espouse (despite the sound being cribbed wholesale off the Velvet Underground and the Modern Lovers, two bands heretofore reserved for the egghead musicologists and punky misfits).
Or, are these (and others) just simply great records that stand the test of time?
Pencils out, students!
― Alex in NYC, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― nathalie, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― J Blount, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
EVERYONE owned Screamadelica. Everyone owned the first Suede album. Most people owned Nevermind. Everyone owned something by James - be it album or T-Shirt.
I don't know why. Comments about "easy rebellion" strike me as a bit smarmy - I was in no way a rebel and was listening to loads of high- decibel/agitproppy stuff, I just don't think the connection is there really.
― Tom, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Winkelmann, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Mr Swygart, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― chris sallis, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
I didn't mean to imply that this music was recorded in a spirit of "easy rebellion," but rather that it was conceivably being interpretted as such, possibly even subconsciously. I suppose the question there is what attracts one to listen to clearly rebellious/ agitprop stuff? A fascination with the messages' intent or a genuine empathy for whatever cause it happens to be espousing? The point I was making about the Femmes and Wailers was that despite the fact that both bands were making "rebel music" (the Femmes' rebelling against interpersonal strife and sexual frustration, the Wailers literally railing against Trenchtown poverty, racism, religious intollerance and corrupt Jamaican politics), it was largely *PALATABLE* "rebel music"....unlike that of more strident Punk Bands...or even more virulent Reggae bands...whose music isn't as immediately accessible.
― Andy, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― ddd, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Chris, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Fair point, but I think that depends on where ya went to college.
Tom continued: "Sex and not getting sex, dope and vague spirituality on the other hand are constants in many a 19-year-old mind."
Completely true!
Blount sed:"One thing I find amusing about Legend's success is how so many college students buy it and play it to death but very few actually go out and buy any other Bob Marley cds. "
Interesting observation, which I think also speaks to those listeners' committment level. If they took it seriously (i.e. beyond just surface level entertainment/'easy rebellion'), wouldn't they go seek out more than just the "greatest hits"? This, of course, begs the larger debate about how "real fans don't bother with Best-Of's and Greatet Hits packages," etc.
― , Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Jack Cole, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Present UCI -- no idea, but I suspect pretty much top forty rather than any set of albums per se. Probably The Eminem Show, actually.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― davidh(owie), Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Clarke B., Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
I'm in the worst cover band EVAH. When school's back in session we'll be playing the following at frats and campus functions: 311, Violent Femmes, Radiohead ("Creep"), Everclear, Green Day, Mr. Big (haha), Incubus, DMB (this means "Dave Matthews Band", outsiders) & the Red Hot fucking Chili Peppers, among others.
Radiohead is HUGE.
― Keiko, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Steve K, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Julio Desouza, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dartmoor beats, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
the black kids are a little more partial to nelly and taleb kwelli, the adeherents of each being really opositional and shit.
lastly there's the hordes of kids who love the promise ring.emo makes me want to eat glass...
― mike bott, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Lord Custos IV, Thursday, 11 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Jody Beth Rosen, Friday, 12 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Andrew L, Friday, 12 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
I agree with Dave Matthews Band's Under The Table And Dreaming as well. Add A Tribe Called Quest's Low End Theory, the "It's OK to like rap" album of my generation.
― Chris Ott, Friday, 12 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Lee G, Friday, 12 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dave225, Friday, 12 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
You're absolutely dead-on-target there! At college (indeed an American Liberal Arts college) everyone seemed to either pick AVALON or Sade's DIAMOND LIFE as their requisite "bump'n'grind" album.
― Alex in NYC, Friday, 12 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ronan, Friday, 12 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sterling Clover, Friday, 12 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Dave Matthews band ! Weezer ! next you will be telling Peter Yorn, and John Mayer are popular with College Kids !
― DJ Martian, Friday, 12 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Aaron G!, Friday, 12 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Pavement: Crooked Rain...Shellac: At Action ParkScreamedelicaSebadoh: BakesaleMassive Attack: Blue Lines
― paulhw (paulhw), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 21:21 (twenty-two years ago)
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)
I think Weezer is a good answer, too. College kids love Weezer.
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 21:25 (twenty-two years ago)
Outkast is the new Bob Marley.
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 21:26 (twenty-two years ago)
My college fucking sucked.
― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 21:28 (twenty-two years ago)
I had the impression that Tool was like that in America for some years... is that completely unfounded? Maybe more for younger people?
O, and back in the days, I suppose Keith Jarret's Köln concerto was a staple of any collunk. And before that again: "Time Out"!
― Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 21:28 (twenty-two years ago)
Nirvana - UnpluggedWeezer - Blue Album or PinkertonOutkastRadiohead - OK Computer or Kid Aa classic-rock greatest hits, Beatles or Stones?
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 21:29 (twenty-two years ago)
― webcrack (music=crack), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 23:25 (twenty-two years ago)
― Insomniette, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 23:37 (twenty-two years ago)
― David Allen (David Allen), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 23:50 (twenty-two years ago)
i hate college
― fcussen (Burger), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 00:13 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 02:30 (twenty-two years ago)
This tells me that many ILMers went to liberal arts colleges.
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 02:34 (twenty-two years ago)
im pretty sure every kid born between 77 and 81 had that album..
― chris andrews (fraew), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 03:03 (twenty-two years ago)
― k good, Wednesday, 28 April 2004 03:57 (twenty-two years ago)
― derrick (derrick), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 04:47 (twenty-two years ago)
― J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 06:02 (twenty-two years ago)
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 06:12 (twenty-two years ago)
And I still hate those feckin JAM ES t-shirts!
― Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 10:14 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 10:16 (twenty-two years ago)
Soundbombing 2
Mos Def - Black On Both Sides
Portishead - Dummy
BIG SHINY TUNES
Handsome Boy Modeling School
Cafe Del Mar Vol. 12345678.......
Hot Hot Heat - Make Up THe Breakdown
― LC, Wednesday, 28 April 2004 10:22 (twenty-two years ago)
BOB MARLEY AND THE WAILERS - 20th CENTURY MASTERS
THE END
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 10:24 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 10:28 (twenty-two years ago)
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 11:06 (twenty-two years ago)
A few people were just starting to get into U2; The Smiths only had the one single out before I left; and I strongly suspect I was the only person in the place who'd even heard REM - although I believe The Joshua Tree / Achtung Baby / The Queen Is Dead / Automatic For the People all subsequently became staples.
I suspect Nevermind and OK Computer probably belong somewhere in here too.
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 12:06 (twenty-two years ago)
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 12:08 (twenty-two years ago)
― queenbee, Wednesday, 28 April 2004 13:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sean Witzman (trip maker), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 13:03 (twenty-two years ago)
Then there are bands you name check even though you maybe just have a few mp3s of them or something. Fugazi has to top the list here. Who wants to hear "waiting Room" again? (Well, I do, yes.)
And thats for people who are into music! Otherwise its Coldplay/Evanessence/Norah Jones/Dave Mathews Band/Beatles/etc.
― christhamrin (christhamrin), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)
I can't really generalise so much about uni back here because I never lived in halls, but everyone I speak to seems to love rjd2 and ninja tune-ish stuff, both of which are fine by me.
Hearing that the Shuggie Otis reissue is popular on US campuses makes me feel better about American college students, I must say.
― strophic (strophic), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)
― christhamrin (christhamrin), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― shookout (shookout), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)
― dieblucasdie (dieblucasdie), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― dieblucasdie (dieblucasdie), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 16:49 (twenty-two years ago)
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 19:16 (twenty-two years ago)
― christhamrin (christhamrin), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)
Everyone who mentioned Linkin Park, DMB, Weezer, Phish or Beasties OTM forever.
― NUMBER 1 TERRY RILEY FAN (ex machina), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 19:26 (twenty-two years ago)