Genre you know nothing about and would like to learn/be part of/indulge in: A Poll.

Voting metal btw, because I know I like Sabbath and some newer things (Boris, Harvey Milk, Torche) but the rolling metal thread gave me a headache when I tried reading it and I don't really know where to begin. (generic internet recommendations are a mindfield of slipknot, dragonforce and 80s hair metal.)

Classical. I'm pathetic at the music rounds on University Challenge.

Good idea. Voted hip hop but really greenhorns' guides to any of the non-rock things is always welcome.

Not sure whether genre or geography focus is the best way to go. Genre will attract detailed knowledge, great tips and people who really care - but could get too specialised too quickly. Geography could be terrific for trends and uncool stuff, and microgenres that never reach these shores - but would depend on ILX having posters on the ground, and I've got no idea whether we have a presence in the Caribbean or wherever.

Yeah, I wasn't too sure about that but I think we could make it work. And you reminded me, I forgot reggae and dancehall and dub :( may start again later but now i must go post ilx secret santas. maybe a mod could put it in?

And shift this onto ILM while (s)he's at it?

I'm years behind in electronic music - I'm just getting into minimal shit and decent techno as house and balearic and stuff is all coming and going, plus I'm no DJ and don't collect vinyl, so I have to rely a lot on internets stuff and full artist albums, which don't reflect what's going on in clubs in my experience. So that.

Yeah, I wasn't too sure about that but I think we could make it work. And you reminded me, I forgot reggae and dancehall and dub :( may start again later but now i must go post ilx secret santas. maybe a mod could put it in?

― adorable cheese inscription (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, December 9, 2009 3:46 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark

Excellent idea, I actually wish I could follow dancehall a lot

came here to vote dancehall, too.

Asian music. Sounds like a bracing task, having to learn about all of it.

I don't know anything about 'classic' jazz or much about classical but it's not something that keeps me awake at night. (Although I'd love to learn if I had more time.)

classical, but there are definitely genres here like jazz or punk which I know some about, but not nearly as much as I'd like

House/Techno/Various other sub genres I'm not sure what to call them
Classical/Things with strings
Music from Africa
Music from Asia

reggae for sure

good idea for a thread

You should also run a Genre you will never learn/be part of/indulge in poll(but leave out "indie" ffs if you do.)

so anyway I always wanted to hear more Reggae. I only have a handfull of reggae/dub cds (yes marley cds, augustus pablo,toots & the maytals,peter tosh boxset and 2 lps - the obvious stuff)
But i would also like to investigate more classial,blues and hip-hop at some point.

the other stuff in your poll im well versed in or have heard enough to dislike.

Classical for sure, especially 20th century stuff.

Voted classical, but what I really mean is modern classical. I've been listening to way much Sylvain Chauveau, Max Richter, and Arvo Part recently but I'd definitely like to broaden my horizons.

classical

voted soul, could've easily have voted rn'b too. i'd love to hear the songs all hip hop's dusty soul samples were picked from, as well as obviously ones that aren't sampled and are great.

Jazz, Funk, and Soul. Jazz has traditionally had little to no effect on me, so I'm kind of waiting unitl my 30's when I'll 'get it' otherwise I'd kill to have a comprehensive knowledge of soul and funk (fucking indie rock teen-years ruining the foundations for a proper musical orientation) but am just to intimidated to start.

meh i got into funk when i was 21. you dont need to be old to appreciate it.

Yeah yeah, I know I'm always moaning about what isn't included in polls... but there's rather a lot missing from this poll!

and you still wouldn't vote for whatever you moaned was missing ;)

I wouldn't be surprised btw if most ilxors are happy with what they listen to and dont want to come out of their comfort zone , so maybe that coulda been one of the options.

Also why do people say "I'll try that genre when I'm older and might like it then"?

People seem to think you "grow into" liking Jazz and Classical, in particular

Did you?

Who said I like Jazz and Classical?

Im trying to think when I first bought a jazz cd. Probably was 23/24 or so. I think it was a love supreme.

ahh you're waiting until you get old? fair enough!

I'm only a dabbler... in most things

I will admit I just downloaded some Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Ornette Coleman & Albert Ayler albums off a blog, cos now I'm in my 30s "maybe I'll like jazz". I probably won't, but I feel like I should at least give it a go. I do not have any actual logical reasoning for why people get into jazz when they get older.

I thought people thought they "grew into" into liking alt-country.

i think albert ayler and the like would be more for younger people getting into jazz. free/avant garde jazz and jazz-rock definitely seems to be a younger persons game.(ie mid 20s)

No, they grew their beards to like alt-country (xp)

I think i went off alt.country once i hit my 30s. Up until then i really loved it(still like the stuff i like) but now i never pay much attention.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/13/arts/music/13baldwin.html

I don't even really know what alt. country is

Alt is German for old.

its a different country to where you live
xp

Opera

I thought alt. meant not-as-good-as-real

Scottish Alt.Football Premier League

i think albert ayler and the like would be more for younger people getting into jazz. free/avant garde jazz and jazz-rock definitely seems to be a younger persons game.(ie mid 20s)

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When I was maybe 19 I decided that I should make a concerted effort to 'get into' jazz and got 'Machine Gun' by Peter Brotzmann out of the library. Don't think I really got anything from it at all. I pretty much just stumble shortsightedly into genres at will since then (and bought a Brotzmann CD two days ago oddly enough)

Also why do people say "I'll try that genre when I'm older and might like it then"?

i'm one of these people, wrt jazz at least, and i think it has a lot to do with my (short) attention span. i have liked jazz before, but the only stuff i can really dig into is duke ellington or mingus, where there's really a strong, cohesive melodic narrative that i can grab onto. whenever i put on a miles davis record i'm like "WOO-HOO! why don't i listen to this stuff more often?" for a few minutes, then when it's time to turn it over i realize i'd been daydreaming for the past 15 minutes. if i really wanted to, i could overcome this today probably, but life is long and there's tonnes of non-jazz music that rubs me just fine at the moment. so i've put it off for when i'm older.

I'd like to add some swanky french shit pop to my collection.
maybe something to play if I could ever coax a classy dame to come over.

I should point that I am in no way congratulating myself for being this 'precocious', it was a dumb idea tbh xxp

I don't think that's precocious or dumb!

got 'Machine Gun' by Peter Brotzmann out of the library

<3 libraries. That's how I first got into Stockhausen and Captain Beefheart.

Ha well it turned out to be running before I could walk, I think xp

Dumb, precocious nineteen-year-old

MUSIC FROM LATIN AMERICA. I started to educate myself about it but I lost my job. We will need to learn more about the Spanish speaking world in the US in this new century.

I believe I read some Michael Caine memoir where he claimed he was at Stanley Kubrick's house and Kubrick had a lot of library records out to listen to for things to put in his movies and that is how he found "Also Sprach Zarathustra" for 2001.
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Jazz.

Re waiting until a certain age:
It took me thirty years before I could stand that annoying cymbal tapping in jazz.
It took me forty years before I could stand that annoying howling in opera.

House/Techno/Various other sub genres I'm not sure what to call them

Do people still listen to alt-country? I haven't bought Uncut in about a decade.

I doubt I will ever stand the annoying howling and bellowing of those fat people in opera. (xxp)

I will probably pick Non-English European music - because that takes in such a lot, like traditional Irish and Scottish music for instance!

It took me forty years before I could stand that annoying howling in opera.

― the onimo effect (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, December 11, 2009 11:59 AM (1 minute ago

Are you really enjoying it if you still refer to it as "annoying howling"?

Getting into different genres music as you get older is one of the good things about aging.

Even if you are kind of slack about it, you can hear a whole lot more music in 50 years than in 25. So if you love music as a young person, you will probably love more and different music as a geezer.

Also, for younger people, musical taste tends to be more connected to social relationships and personal style. When you get ancient, you're less influenced by those things and it's easier to get interested in genres you might have ignored earlier.

that's true! well, it sounds true, i'm not old yet so i can't vouch for the second half.

Brad C 100% otm.

Are you really enjoying it if you still refer to it as "annoying howling"?
No, I guess not. Guess I'd better call home and tell Mrs. Redd to sell tonight's Tales Of Hoffmann tickets. Thank you for pointing that out.

House/Techno/Various other sub genres I'm not sure what to call them
Electoclash?

Now I am picturing a WmC/Tynan Freaky Friday.

how odd. i was "classically trained" in music as a child so i didn't actually listen to much rock or pop until i was about 12 or 13 so i really don't think of classical music or opera as something you have to "grow into" - it was almost like my foundation music and everything else had to be discovered or learned to appreciate

(then again the first "pop concert" type thing i ever attended was philip glass, so that kinda explains a lot about me and my musical taste)

No, I guess not. Guess I'd better call home and tell Mrs. Redd to sell tonight's Tales Of Hoffmann tickets. Thank you for pointing that out.

Two words: Emma Kirkby

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAnQQ4_Jpd8

Now I am picturing a WmC/Tynan Freaky Friday.

Do I even wanna know?

There's tons of opera that could never be construed as 'bellowing' 'howling' 'wailing' or whatever. If this kind of singing is what bothers you, basically avoid anything composed by an Italian or German and you're set. Debussy, Britten, Janacek, Berlioz, that oughta get you started. Actually you'll do fine with Italian opera from the Baroque too.

I 'grew into' classical music starting at about age 25 and was maniacally consumed with it by age 27. It was largely due to Talk Talk and Scott Walker's Tilt rewriting my DNA and not being able to find anything else in rock/avant-rock that pushed the same buttons that I ended up in the classical furrows.

My answer to this thread question is Bollywood and Bhangra. So huge, no idea what to do but I love what little i know. A good series of podcasts or mixes would help, along with a reduction in my required amount of sleep per day.

I was gonna put Grateful Dead (since they seem to be almost a genre of otheir own, and I'm fascinated by the whole "cult" of travelling for hundreds of shows, collecting the boots etc.), but I've heard enough and read enough to figure out that I like, at best, half of any performance they ever gave.

I'm listening to them on archive.org this morning though (New Jersey 8/6/76) and really digging a lot of it.

it's funny, most of the hardcore jazz nerds i knew in college waited until their mid-to-late 20 before really getting into rock, pop, country, folk, etc.

(which makes sense, when you're in school you can practice all the time and obsess over abstract shit, but if you're a snob about that stuff when you're older then you're never going to get work)

Maybe there is something abt the mid-late 20s. I do feel like that's when I first became something resembling a sane person...

Do people still listen to alt-country? I haven't bought Uncut in about a decade.

― Colonel Poo, Friday, 11 December 2009

I started liking jazz when I was 14 and I did not grow into it but rather it took me by storm. I think it was the right recording combined with the right settings - My Favorite Things, played for me by uber-hip camp counselor who I looked up to, while I had my arm around my first girlfriend and was generally feeling ecstatic.

Im trying to think when I first bought a jazz cd. Probably was 23/24 or so. I think it was a love supreme.

― Pfunkboy : The Dronelord vs The Girly Metal Daleks (Herman G. Neuname)

that was my first too, aged 20.

mr bungle had previously softened my teenage tribal attitude to genres that weren't metal... but a late-night double-bill on TV of imo' better blues and a great day in harlem caused a major seismic shift. the next morning I rushed out and bought the first jazz album I could find on the flea market, knowing absolutely nothing about the genre. I bought ALS based on the striking cover alone, but what a great introduction it turned out to be. it changed me forever, man... *sniff*

MO better blues, that is. IMO better blues is something else entirely.

IMHO Slightly Better Blues

but the answer to the original poll question is dub/reggae.

indie rock

Forgot to mention that it took me forty-five years to get used to that annoying cowbell in Latin music.

Now I am picturing a WmC/Tynan Freaky Friday.

Do I even wanna know?

― WmC, Friday, December 11, 2009 12:18 PM (1 hour ago)

Or anything in your shopping cart on the Amazing Amazon Sale thread.

hahaha, 99% of the stuff in my cart that day was added with intent to resell

I think Tim Buckley and Tim Hardin prepared me a little for the great leap into jazz. Also a major factor must have been funk - funkjazz - jazzfunk-jazz

The problem I have with techno, house, IDM etc is the genre divisions, shaved thinner than white truffles. One slight change in tempo or beat and suddenly you've got a whole new genre, something that barely seems noteworthy to me is now the hottest thing since canned bread to someone else, worth months of study and tens of thousands of words. Definitely can't keep up with the players, with or without a score card.

I lost track of techno,house and most IDM about 5 years back. I do like some stuff now and again but Im just not as into it as i was mid 90s-early 00s(was really into it). The days of being on the IDM mailing list are long gone.

meh i got into funk when i was 21. you dont need to be old to appreciate it.

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Well, I'm 21 now and only just started having any sort of an interest in soul/funk so...

and xpost: that's all avoidable, and being antitetical to knowing nothing about, is worth avoiding. One of the really fun things about discovering new genres is still being able to approach it outside of pre-set distinctions and the like, it shouldn't stop you from diving in (and to be honest, too many genre sub-divisions doesn't really substantiate a reason to not listen to a pretty vast body of music).

Tynan... Why is there no electrosoul option here! Also I would have voted for disco had it been her.

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