Lazy Music Critic-isms

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Bland overused nondescriptive words (eg. "astonishing") -- Press kit rewriting -- comparison to unrelated but universal ref point (i.e. "the new Mekons is really not much like Sgt. Pepper at all") -- Biography for the sake of biography -- gratuitous digs at current critical anti-band (Limp Bizkit, Backstreet Boys, whatever) -- Snappy yet useless bon mot to close a rambling review -- track by track adjective overload.

What's your music critic hang up?

Sterling Clover, Friday, 3 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

"pretentious" and "self-indulgent". I think most people who use these (generally disparagingly) don't really understand what they mean - for, I think they are largely without "essential" meaning. They seem to do well in a diffrent sense - like, if you want to remind the reader of double Yes albums. But in general, when they're applied to anything the critic things is boring or lame, I just don't think they help matters any.

Josh, Friday, 3 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

"eclectic": which translates roughly as "This band likes records that I own but which you the reader probably won't have heard of. Aren't I smug."

alex thomson, Friday, 3 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Gulp. An email I sent yesterday (about music) included the word "eclectic". In a good way, I promise.

Josh, Friday, 3 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

All the following words, especially used in conjunction:

"eclectic", "eccentric", "individualistic", "quirky", "Northern", "astonishing", "amazing", "pretentious", "self- indulgent", "ambitious", "over-ambitious".

-- "And the English air would soon be reeking with petrol fumes."

Robin Carmody, Friday, 3 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

"seminal" = load of wank

"portentous" = in minor key

Greg, Friday, 3 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

"Northern", Robin? What if they come from the North, though?

I don't like critics who try to be objective. I don't like critics who pretend they're writing outside of a particular or personal context (this is the same thing, really).

I don't like critics who don't try to get into why they like things, or rather why it's a good thing that music does something (experiment, maybe) instead of something else (entertain, maybe). You don't need to explain that all the time but too many critics just seem to operate with some kind of mass critical opinion as unspoken backup.

I dont like words like astonishing or incredible but it's difficult sometimes to find the good words.

I don't think critics should see themselves as gatekeepers or filters. I also don't like critics who feel they owe the artists something.

I have no problems at all with the rock and roll lifestyle but I'm not interested in stories about hanging with the stars, because the stars as people I generally couldn't give two fucks about.

Probably lots more too!

Tom, Saturday, 4 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Many good points here. Tom, I'm curious about something. You say you don't like critics to think of themselves as filters or gatekeepers, and this brings up something I've been curious about. Does this mean that you never read about music in order to find things you might like to hear? At least part of the time, I read about music to find out what's out there (and sometimes I write from this position.) If a record is described in such a way that it sounds interesting to me, then I might file it away in my head as something to check out. In this way, I do think of music writing as a "filter" of sorts. I am curious about why you are opposed to this.

A related point: It seems to me, Tom, that when you exclude the "filter" notion from how you approach writing about music, your audience is limited to those who have already heard the music, and the writing becomes after-the-fact criticism and discussion among those with a shared experience. Would you agree with this? If you exclude the filter idea, it seems to me, then you also forgo the idea of trying to explain what the music is like to those who haven't heard it. That is the essence of "filtering" in my view.

Mark Richardson, Saturday, 4 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

josh: i'm glad you brought up "pretentious" and "self-indulgent," which have long been pet peeves. i mean, who the hell else is an artist supposed to indulge? the record company? audience expectations? isn't that when you accuse him of pandering? and what can't be seen as pretentious if it's not something you buy into?

other peeves: "soul" and similar white-guilt groovyisms used to cover up reactionary aesthetic prejudices. especially absurd when used by postpunk critics. the indie-rock version of rockism (cf carducci) also rankles.

'objectivity' is pathetic, i agree.

pop stars of the 60s are high culture by which all else is to be judged.

canadian nationalism.

comparing every new british act to the smiths.

the idea that punk was all about stripping rock down to its basic 3 chords. *aerosmith* was all about stripping rock down to its basic 3 chords.

taking into account a band's record company affiliation.

sundar subramanian, Saturday, 4 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

For those who didn't guess (as Tom did), my objection was to the conscious and deliberate use of the word "Northern" as codeword for stupid trad rock, as though those qualities were virtues (cf mid-90s NME). Also the relationship this has with the London-based media reducing the North to a certain stereotype, and the collapse of the British music press in terms of journalistic credibility around that time. In summary: "Northern" in the Oasis sense, as opposed to the straightforward "from the North of England" sense.

Suffice it to say that I share all Tom and Sundar's dislikes, though I think the net will greatly reduce the gatekeeper / filter mentality.

Robin Carmody, Saturday, 4 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Sundar: what about labels with identifiable aesthetics? This is admittedly something that goes beyond the recording itself, but I don't think it can be avoided. If you hear enough music on Kranky, for example, you can draw connections between the various artists' music, which seems to make things richer. But if you mean arbitrary kinds of judgments like "this is on Sub Pop, and therefore good," then I'm with you.

Josh, Saturday, 4 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

josh: drawing connections between the sounds of acts on a similar label could make sense. (it could be asked, however, if the label really matters when making the aesthetic judgment even in that case. if connections can be made between two bands with similar sounds does it matter whether or not they're on the same label?) i have sometimes checked out stuff on gern blandsten or art monk because of the labels' aesthetics and am moving that way with 3-1-G. i was thinking more of stuff like "these guys are on a major label and are thus less sincere/artistic/. . . than someone on an indie" or a general less explicit favouritism for small-label (or certain-label) acts.

sundar subramanian, Sunday, 5 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Right, it's the latter that I'm in agreement with. There may be a gradation of sincerity (that is, I'm not willing to rule out that perhaps someone who barely gets paid on a tiny indie label - not even a big well-marketed one like Touch and Go, e.g. - is more sincere than say Korn), but there are plenty of people who are sincere abou their music, on both kinds of labels. But on this label-aesthetic thing: sure, they don't have to be on the same label to make the connections, but I think if they ARE on the same label, it makes for a kind of extended aesthetic object. Kind of like the output of a small publishing house, or a magazine.

Josh, Sunday, 5 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

I absolutely loathe the words "creamy", "dreamy", "mochalicious", or anything else that could be also used to describe something bought at Starbucks. In general, whenever I see the words I know it's a song I'll despise, and they don't MEAN anything at all. They usually mean "bland" in the TLC/All Saints at their worst variety, and they should damn well say "bland".

I also hate music reviews that for no apparent reason tell you that you should buy, say, Radiohead or the Magnetic Fields because they are more "real", "interesting" than Backstreet Boys (or fill in the blank pop artist). What makes them more real or interesting other than a snap judgement most likely made by someone who hasn't heard much of the maligned artist's work? This is absolutely worst when it comes in a review of a former traditionally teeny pop artist; ie Melanie C is "better" than Geri Halliwell because Melanie C "does" indie; Madonna is "better" than (enter whatever teen pop female you like) because she's realized the error of doing pure dance pop, etc. It's ridiculous. It usually just means the music is more boring and less polished, two things I don't particularly care for.

As for the idea Tom put forth of writers as gatekeepers...hrm. Well, I don't think of my reviews as "gatekeeping" because ten times out of ten, my review is more interesting than the record being reviewed, unless it's a REALLY good record, of which there aren't that many. So yeah, on one hand, you should operate as a filter to let people know just what happens in the album, but pure filtering is a bit duller than dirt. I mean, one example of bad filtering that would probably illustrate Tom's point is virtually all Village Voice reviews. There was one a few weeks ago, I forget the albums being reviewed, but the majority of the review seemed to talk about Radiohead, which wasn't being reviewed and wasn't similar to the artists being reviewed. So it made no sense. That's what I'd call self-indulgence, and as a reviewer you shouldn't be purely self-indulgent because you're writing to inform, not necessarily to entertain, and you're trying to inform about a specific thing. That being said, without some self- indulgent, the writing is extremely dry. You have to hit a balance between a filter and a novelist, quite frankly. Otherwise no one will read it.

Ally Cat, Monday, 6 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Isn't calling that music more boring and less polished just a matter of being biased in the other direction? What makes that any better?

Josh, Monday, 6 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

I would argue that writing a review about something other than the record (Radiohead, for example) is the exact opposite of filtering. Filtering I take to be the +- should you buy or not type review. I like think pieces, and consider elitist intentions to be different than filtering.

Sterling Clover, Monday, 6 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Yes, Josh, so for all people who are biased FOR boring music, I'm sorry I used the word boring to mean "bad" ;)

Ally, Tuesday, 7 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Ahem.

Josh, Tuesday, 7 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

a variety of conscious and subconscious motives go into any endeavour, artistic or otherwise. i don't think sincerity is so easy to identify, measure, or even define whatever the artist's label.

for that matter, does sincerity really matter?

sundar subramanian, Wednesday, 8 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Sincere is impossible to measure in truth, but the appearance is one part of the whole shebang. Cf. Tom: http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~tewing/ realfake.html which gets the whole thing down pretty nicely.

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 8 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Something else that really annoys me: when dismissing boy or girl bands, critics saying "They will be forgotten in 5 years, just like New Kids (or Take That for British readers)". Well clearly *you* still remember the fucking New Kids, you pompous arse!

Tom, Thursday, 9 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Such is the burden of the music critic, weighed down with a prodigious memory for music and the obligation to listen to loads of it - the bad stuff sticks in there.

Josh, Thursday, 9 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

But this proverbial "bad stuff" (and what makes New Kids or Take That bad? Besides the fact that I like neither, but regardless) doesn't stick in the minds of the general public, who, unlike the music critic, CHOSE to listen to it? Makes little if no sense at all.

Ally, Friday, 10 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

as far as i can tell, most people of my age still remember the new kids (and most people who knew them at the time remember poison and warrant too). i'm actually pretty sure the local top 40 station still plays some of their songs now and then.

sundar subramanian, Saturday, 11 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

literary criticism

sundar subramanian, Saturday, 18 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

trashing a record and then giving an 8/10 or listing it as one of the greatest records of all time. if you like something, pretending you hate it is a cop-out from commitment not sophisticated and hip. if all the good things have been said, don't write the review or come up with a new way to say them.

sundar subramanian, Sunday, 19 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

Literary criticism, heh heh. All my current stuff is ripping off art criticism - is that better?

I just want to say that I've tried to address a couple of the qns in this thread in a piece I've written during my weeks 'in exile', so expect that soon Mr. Richard-San and others. Cheers.

Tom, Wednesday, 22 November 2000 01:00 (twenty-five years ago)

two months pass...
English rock critics who use horrible corny jocularisms and polysyllabic "humour". Rock ,and indeed, roll. Discuss.

Duane Zarakov, Wednesday, 31 January 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

nine years pass...

was this really the first ILM thread to mention "rockism"?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 26 September 2010 20:34 (fifteen years ago)


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