Rolling Dance Partisans 2010 (Also bobbin, bobbins, bobbins!)

Well this is definitely not my place, but I've gotten too much out of the grand tradition of the bobbins threads to not want to see some lively debate about dance music on ILX. I'm thinking that the remit of the last bobbins thread was sort of limiting so this is a very broad sort of thread.

Anything and everything that excites you about dance music in 2010 can go in here.

That includes everything from Berghain techno to the deep house revivalist stuff, and then also the music coming out of the UK's underground. Think things in line with Joy Orbison, Brackles, Shortstuff, Bok Bok, what Tim calls FACT music. Its all getting heavily incestuous anyways, Shed just recorded a mix that was more than half dubstep from 2007 and 2008.

I know that there are running threads for Funky and Dubstep and even for what Deej called Frankenstein dance music. Well if its unwelcome in there, or you're confused about some kind of genre label its completely welcome here.

That includes all the Guido/Joker/Punch Drunk pseudo IDM kind of thing that Lex likes too.

I'm kind of hoping that this doesn't turn into a bunch of closeted IDM fans squabbling though, hopefully this will be for actual club music? Anyways I'm really liking LHF and Deep Teknologi's recent mixes at the moment.

http://soundcloud.com/deepteknologi

And oh yeah, Jam City.

Jam City rules.

http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature.aspx?1148

I am down with this thread. So much dance stuff that I'd probably like flies by me because it's not stuff I have a prior interest in and checking for.

Did you check out that Bookworms track ?

http://www.junodownload.com/products/1453653-02.htm

I am going to try and post on this thread this year

Have we talked about the Andrew Saag remix of "Hyph Mngo" that turns it all gospel-house rave-up style?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0bmIS6d8bQ

jam city is amazing

can't post more as have to catch flight now! super-late :/

And I really should be asleep, but I like that Andreas Saag remix and will check for more of his stuff. Tim, you're totally welcome in here too.

I didn't want to pollute the Funky thread any further with all of the crossover stuff.

i would like to ignore most of the above cues and rep for DEEP BATIDA (original demo) by anto vitale, which has totally been kicking my ass of late - it is like deep afro tech i guess, only with a bit of an underground resistance kinda martian gangsta that makes it not boring. CHECK IT

The idea of the bobbins thread centering on British dance music would have seemed insane three or four years ago. I suppose that shows how far the UK has come in that time.

It really doesn't have to center around the UK, there's plenty of music coming out of Western Europe and out of Africa right now that is great. Even some interesting music from New York and San Francisco and Los Angeles. The point is that dance music is becoming increasingly decentralized and also increasingly interconnected.

It just seems strange to me to wall off certain scenes by geography when they're influenced by a global collection of ideas. A lot of the African tinged house I like is made my ex pat's in Britain, but also by people in Germany. And that Bookworms track is kind of broken beat, but it was made in San Francisco.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RaeUN20sDE

This is fun. Cooly G TV.

Shit, that was the wrong Youtube link, well thats a decent song anyways.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EptPsp-_1Y8

One of the artists that I've been enjoying lately is DJ Zhao, based in Berlin I think.

http://soundcloud.com/djzhao

His Fusion mixtapes are all really great if you find any of these tracks interesting.

In another vein altogether Dr Dunks's remix of Nomi and Rampa's Inside is great.

Can't seem to find a streaming version anywhere outside of Juno or any of the other DJ services.

This'd be the same Nomi that tours with Hercules and Love Affair.

http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=247633

Floating Point's remix of Sebastian Tellier L'Amour Et La Violence.

what Tim calls FACT music.

I laughed at this.

I was actually going to start a new bobbins thread before seeing this thread. There was nowhere else I could mention that "headfuck" is probably one of the worst names for a genre ever. It makes Ketamine-House look witty.

I guess I can also mention my fondness for LD. I've been sort ambivalent/passive regarding a lot of UK funky house, and I don't know where LD fits in, but that's an avenue I'm interested in.

I've found the attitude around some of the Techno community online to be very offputting recently, its like the truce between techno and house never existed. MNML SSGs in particular seem to be on this "we only ever like proper techno, and proper techno comes out on limited runs of white labels that are sold at Hardwax" thing that I just can't get into.

I'm not saying that Donato Dozzy or Levon Vincent are bad or anything, just getting sick of the aggressive nerd posturing. That and I've always been more into house. And minimal.

OTM!

Reading Mnml ssgs makes me feel like I hate myself and listening to music more than it does anything else. Their (rather, his, it's pretty much one guy now) endless crusade to save 'real' techno, I find, is very alienating. I think a lot of the time it's just a really quite narrow worldview veiled in a sense of righteousness-cum-critique. (I also mentioned on the other thread that their seemingly pathological need to disown minimal - prove they 'never were mnml' as it was - is just as offputting).

That and most critical techno writing is almost all a narcissism of small differences anyways.

That said Peter Chambers is an intelligent writer.

and then again, I'll never forgive them for coining the phrase "Headfuck"

In other news, I think it's kind of note-worthy that Cadenza is putting out a new record by Frivolous (oooooh!). Could this be an upswing back into interesting territory for Cadenza (it is accompanied by a reboot remix though, so chances of relative not-interestingness do remain). It even has a kind of new album art.

I didn't post much on ILM in 2009; let's see if I get back on the horse in 2010.

I'm still not terribly enthused about any scenes (or even mini-scenes), broadly speaking, and I still can't figure out if that's the cause or an effect of my steady drift away from clubbing. But there are plenty of good records about. My last trip to Hardwax netted some savage, fucked-up stuff from Mike Dehnert (MD2, I believe, red sleeve, red sticker, no info) and Milton Bradley's Do Not Resist the Beat #4, which I like more than #3. Interestingly, the long A-side, "Uncontrollable Desire," is extraordinarily similar to his remix for Cio D'Or upcoming on Prologue -- almost identical beat structure and mood, and yet different enough in execution that I'm not mad at it.

The new Nebraska on Rush Hour is a lovely four-track EP of Rhodesy deep house; I like the way that three of the tracks seem to proceed almost as a game of round robin or something, each track jumping off from an element of the last.

Anyone else check out Aardvarck's Bleed series? Really bizarre stuff there -- super-sparse and heavy dubstep edits/bootlegs using samples of heavy metal, Massive Attack, and other shit I can't identify. I bought #3 and 4 from Beatport or maybe What People Play, but need to find the vinyl.

Thanks for the tip on the Aardvarck Phil, this reminds me a little of early Vex'd.

Its got that combination of heaviness and groove, and groove has been sorely lacking in a lot of the wobble noise recently. That being said I did find myself enjoying a Rusko track the other day (Go Go Gadget), maybe I should give some of the mainstream a survey again and see whats going on.

yeah curious state of things in 2010. so many directions, lots of good things happening some new some revival of older and much older ideas... but IMO loads in this "FACT" cannon is as confused as the scene itself -- i.e. that mid rangey faulty wonk gaudy nu-rave puke-synth stuff. obfuscation and convolution DOES NOT EQUAL innovation.

cooly g's music is so great... she was talking about singing much more in the near future and going completely digital with her productions... will be interesting to watch for sure.

FACT music

thanks Tim, I've been trying to coin a way to describe that really annoying scene all week!

EDB I agree with your post pretty much 100 per cent.

the fact nobody can think of a name for this thread is damning in itself

http://mnmlssg.blogspot.com/2010/01/mnml-ssgs-mx48-redshape.html

I'm assuming that this is as good as his recent FACT mix, which I think everyone can agree was stellar right? His live only tracks seem to be among the best material I've heard from the man so far, hopefully this'll be more of the same.

And mmm, I love me some synth puke music.

Not all of it, but a lot of it, and no I don't think its especially innovative. It just sounds like someone combining early prog house (Leftfield, Papua New Guinea) with IDM. As ILX's resident IDM nerd that suits me just fine.

Speaking of which, just about everything the Black Dog have released lately has been great, truly truly great. Radio Scarecrow is probably my favorite album of the last 4 or 5 years. And Further Vexations wasn't too shabby either. Hope they release more material this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=801D4fZLyOE

There might be some legitimate rave influence in there as well, now that I think of it.

That Frivolous track I mentioned is actually really great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjF207RMrEo

He really is a quite talented producer, I think it's the sort of nerdy-white dude vibe he gives off that maybe prevents him from having Cadenza-type people care much? At the same time it is such a delicious breath of fresh air (I think the other thing is that, being half Chilean, none of the South-American fetishism that's been in part driving this sound in the last few years has much affect on me).

I would think that that would make it annoy you even more.

(But yeah, that Frivolous track is good.)

Errrr, just realized a pretty glaring absent of a 'not' in that post, which doesn't make much sense to begin with.

Being half Chilean, the South American fetishism of Cadenza et al has NOT had an effect on.

I mean to say, though, that Frivolous has the talent to really hit hard, and I think it's great for both him and Cadenza that /\/\/\ was released.

and effect on ME.

third time's the charm...

wait no, that first sentence was right. I'm going to just start proofreading my posts better instead of correcting them 3 times.

The other Cadenza thing is that the following record is remixes of Mirko Loco Ricardo Villalobos and Carl Craig (another change of pace, I guess?), which also seems interesting.

speaking of Cadenza, new Luciano album goes beyond the coy percussive hints of Africa well known of his label, and features straight up mashup style center piece "Africa Sweat", which adds beats to Senegal's Ali Boulo Santo (who is the nephew of legendary "King of the Kora" Soundioulou Cissoko).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lsUP08SWeM

people hating on "fact music" has always been tedious and is now getting seriously old

I don't hate it it all but it's definitely a kind of genre-not-genre at this point. In a lot of ways it makes more sense to group it together than to pretend otherwise.

Maybe equivalent to that early 2005 moment when all the dance music in germany felt both diverse and yet connected, and people weren't calling it "minimal" yet - you could have conceived of it as post-microhouse, house, electro-house, tech-house, techno etc depending on individual tracks/artists/labels but it still felt like one scene really.

oh i agree with that, and the sooner people agree on a decent term for it the better, but the hating is boring and mostly inaccurate

I don't care if people hating on "fact music" is tedious or old....i didn't say i hated it to create a grand entertaining event for the nation, I said it cos I think it's incredibly boring British people making faceless boring music.

Anyway negativity offers little to this thread.

ps how can hating be "inaccurate"...

shame on me I need to recheck my own opinion, I'm guilty of huge factual inaccuracy, I lost the tape when I interviewed myself and just made a bunch of shit up

do u mean

Guido - lovely lovely lovely (rolling post-dubstep/Purple Wow Sound thread for 2010)

?

the situation now is exponentially more fragmented, diverse, and confusing than 2005 pre/post minimal click micro techno.

plus 2005 was around when minimal began to lose its innovative and rigorous vitality and become the diluted elevator music for boutiques and bars it is today (at least in Berlin).

what music from today are you referring to, specifically...and what music from 2005 is the root of that

Now that 'minimal' has become pejorative, '2005 minimal' is a priori shit, and anything that was good was 'never really minimal'.

"diluted elevator music for boutiques and bars"

did this series of words come from ikea? i think the glue is showing???

Are there any online Villalobos mixes from the recent past? He was playing 'Blimey' ages ago right?

Also love the delicacy of the beats on "Hum" - delicacy not intricacy, it's not ostentatious James Blake-ish complexity, just really lovingly sculpted, like Ramadanman at his best.

"aqueous cream" is definitely amazing (and prob the best predictor of where ikonika will go next). i told her it should've been the b-side to "psoriasis"!

"aqueous cream" is an illogical phrase

this is neat. http://soundcloud.com/casio1988/creature-main-mstr

Kim Ann Foxman and Mr. Intl - Creature

soooo glad this track's finally getting a release, have been wanting to share it w/people for so long. love everything about it - that insane percussion, the compulsive hook, the drops...love love love

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs5sEaYGNBU

I'm going to go ahead and say that calling yourself Casio1988 is a pretty big dud.

hi guys, i need an ID for this track. it contains the lyrics:

(something2) a little too late
(something2) a little too close
(something2) as far as you'll go
(something2) shake it up break it up make it up take em up

thanks!

Shit Robot - Take 'Em Up feat. Nancy Whang

ah, i see. no wonder it sounds familiar. thanks, mate.

I'm loving tribal guarachero. Much more like "real" electronic dance music than any other genre I really like. (Reggaeton and merengue electronico/mambo de la calle are a little too song-oriented, at least the way I listen to them.)

http://www.manrecordings.com/tag/tribal-guarachero/

Or: http://gainesindamix.blogspot.com/2010/11/dj-crabbe-demolition-tape-8.html

(because now I'm going back over the one I posted and it's got more folkloric or at least kind of trad. vocal stuff mixed in that I think might turn some off and that doesn't seem to normally be so present in this stuff)

he he <3 u jess & crabbe

Not sure I'd want to dance to this stuff though. I wonder. It seems like people aren't sure what to do with it dance-wise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRV7WVr_-qQ

Sorry, was trying to dis-embed that.

hip hop hooray for techstep day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeYe2hhY-5w&feature=related

I like that Natalomba track.

It is a funny track because it doesn't give people clear(obvious) indications where the bar lines are. The quarter note pulse is there, but it isn't heavily accented and there is a lot of other shit going on to distract you from the pulse. It is not easy to dance to unless you have at least a limited understanding of how music works(iow not drunk 19yo chicks...)

I will look into this stuff more because the thing that always disappointed me with latin/mexican dance music in Texas was how conservative/unadventurous it was musically. It would be cool to hear something coming from the same place that is trying to freak out and also not be a watered down imitation of the stuff coming out of the US/Europe.

http://www.factmag.com/2010/12/17/fact-mix-211-bok-bok/

Is this thread worth continuing next year?

Or should we just break up conversation into separate threads a la the Juke / Dubstep / Funky / Techno+House threads?

it's not really any of those, is the thing - though it wouldn't not fit into them - but this thread doesn't get much play. we could turn the wut thread into the "official" one, get a mod to edit the title to include "night slugs" or whatever.

just create a contemporary uk dance or whatever thread for "fact music"

I thought that was what this thread was.

Display Name, I only just now noticed someone had actually responded to something I posted here. (I feel like an outsider on this thread, because I am.) When I am dancing to this in the privacy of my apartment I tend to fall back into moves from African dance and jazz samba classes I've taken in the (ever receding) past, but I'm not sure I'd try most of that in public. Yeah, I think it's worth checking out. I am declaring tribal guarachero Afro-Latin and appropriating it to my rolling Afro-Latin thread. I'm still not sure what it derives from rhythmically, but it feels more African than Native American to me. Then again, I don't know too much about Indian music in Mexico. It's very funny the way it samples both pre-Hispanic (Aztec?) music and Afro-Cuban religious song, like some bad gringo misunderstanding of the culture, but because it's coming from people who clearly know what they are mixing together, it has a different meaning (or is more acceptable somehow).

I promise you, if that tribal guarachero stuff were played in Cuba, Puerto Rico, the Dominican Republic, and probably Brazil as well, people would have a better sense of how to dance to it than what we see in that clip. In fact, I'd love to see that. (Of course they also might just say "What is this weird Mexican shit?" and not respond at all.)

I've seen people in Yorkshire dance to this haha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eatv-gGSzsI

What did it look like? (I don't know any of those crazy UK dance styles by name though.) I think I've heard that before (or if not the actual track than something using a lot of the same stuff), probably on a mix.

This thread needs more T.Williams he's really impressed me this year, I'm always digging out his stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgOyxj2i2l4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6fyhZB5Xwg

People's Choice is well nice.

Mosca's remix is pretty sweet too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7K_BWQa6yA

On an unrelated note I'm suprised this hasn't been talked about here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1hcC9Lzsg8

It goes off every time I hear it.

I don't think we have a name for the dance that people where doing to that track, everyone was just moving like they usualy do to the uk funky/night slugsy stuff. It didn't throw anyone off as far as I could tell. Maybe cos its a remix of a pretty familuar track.

I thought that was what this thread was.

― Tim F, Saturday, 18 December 2010 13:22 (9 hours ago) Bookmark

yes, just need a proper name for it.

The thread or the genre?

Because the thread has an expiration date, and I thought everyone was using the very boring catch all term "bass music" for the genre.

theres also a purple wow p-ds thredd

xpost: the thread. rolling bass music 2011 for example aka if you wanna have a boring title

Yeah T. Williams is great, one of the few funky-influenced FACT-type producers who can translate that influence into his music without watering it down or overwhelming it with other things.

t.williams & terri walker's "heartbeat" really, really grew on me - obv i liked it from the off but it's become quite compulsive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFK4il2I62k

hate dubstep, love silkie, blame finney

rue the day this noble west londoner fell in with a bad crowd and deprived himself of fuzzy logik's peership, i really do

co-sign the t.williams respect - correctly deployed his bangers bang and 'heartbeat' is a quivering bated-breath delight

can't even front on the mosca mix either, fuck

although marcus has been playing a bit of 'square one vip' and the groove on that's quite good too, even if it is subject to the usual moronic clutter by the end of it

Ah, that explains it, I'd heard the VIP and thought "oh that's much better than what I remember", then would go back to the original tune and it wasn't the same.

Hard to say what is so great about Silkie. Maybe it's that he's like the only dude who thinks of dubstep as perky cheerful dance music?

My fave Silkie right now has to be...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAi54N71dsE

80s Baby

I love it when he's on this kind of tip, but he can go down the big banging aggressive route when he's DJing too and I'm not so keen on that.

for me i think mainly his unabashed fondness for the coffee-table album dnb signifier, haha - not sure i'd go so far as to say he's consistently perky as such (although hardly ever gloomy yes). kinda tend to think of him as a pleasure-principled altered natives, if you catch one's drift.

Yeah perky isn't right - I agree it's more the absence of moodiness at work.

And I think I'm repeating myself in saying he's always reminded me of disc 2 of New Forms, which is A+++ in my book.

so you say Tim but really when was the last time you listened to it?

i listen to the photek brown paper bag remix once in a while but that's about it.

not sure i could call them unbiased at this point but xlr8r chose one of bok bok's as their favorite podcast of the year

so you say Tim but really when was the last time you listened to it?

Every couple of months at least, it's probably my favourite d&b full length if decoupled from disc 1.

It excites me to note that someone has posted a Rockwell track upthread. That guy has utterly killed it all through 2010. "My War" just rules.

Yep

i doubt many here will be with me on this, but I loved the Ekoplekz record on Punch Drunk this year. sounds like a lost Portion Control tape or something. kinda wish there was a thread for all this weird gloomy vaguely industrial stuff coming out lately -- Raime, Demdike Stare, the latest Scorn album, recent Mordant Music and Shackleton stuff...

I'm with you on the Ekoplekz 12" its brilliant and Punch Drunk are one hell of a label.

This thread might suit the industrial gloom you're after: imminent loop-techno revival Might need some work mind...

In other news, I can't get enough of Blue by Elgato

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16CN6Q028CE

That breakdown is too good. The flip is brilliant too it just keeps twisting out of shape. Reminds me of a house version of Peverelist, infact those two should hook up it'd be as sick as the Peverelist and Hyetal (king of the colabs 2010) hook up on Punch Drunk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZapOXj0cDo

yeah I started that thread and Demdike Stare et al is definitely not what I had in mind for it

I need to get the two Ekoplekz CD-Rs that came out. there's some top notch stuff up on youtube, super weeded out low-slung analog grooves

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swJewbWh4bs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8b50weVo34

Loving this.

oops it's 2011.