Rolling Twitter Rock Crit

Don't know where else to put this, so I'm starting a new thread for Twitter rock criticism-related stuff, which admittedly is really esoteric thread to start. But!

"Twitter In The Raw": Announcing The (Possible) Existence Of The @1000TimesYes 2009 Tweet Box
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/archives/2010/01/twitter_in_the.php

From the Kickstarter page:

At the end of 2009 Weingarten set out to collaborate on a book version of the Twitter reviews with us here at Article, a music, zine, T-shirt and art group also out of Brooklyn. The resulting book is not really a book at all. It is a physical representation of Twitter. Twitter in the raw. Each of Weingarten's 1,000 tweet reviews from 2009 will be individually typed out on to a single index card and the mass of them will be held together in a wonderful natural oak index card catalog.

i'm definitely thinking of buying one of these.

alrighty, i just pledged. bought the first box. can't wait!

would TOTALLY pledge if it was, say, $25 and not $75. Not that I think it's overpriced, per se. I'm just underfunded.

this is dope

Oh my gosh, kshighway thank you times a zillion. Unless Nick has a problem with it, I'll make sure you get #001

You're going to call people on the phone for $9? I'd be interested in buying a cd compilation of these calls.

How much for a phone call of Ned Raggett reading Whiney's tweets?

haha this is amazing

tempted to spring for the call

How much for a phone call of Ned Raggett reading Whiney's tweets?

...hmm. Now that you mention it...

I mean the phone call thing is just a cute way to help raise money for the boxes which are actually really costly and insane.

Totally not trying to be a dick here at all, but how about something that pledges any money above and beyond the costs (if there is any) is to be donated to Haitian relief or something? I mean, its a very cool idea, but it ultimately feels kind of insular and it might be a chance to raise some money for charity. Just tossing out the thought. Maybe there is zero chance of any "above and beyond" money anyway.

tempted to spring for the call

― I'm FINNISH!!!! (s1ocki), Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:23 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

otm

whiney has done this thing for free for a year

if he makes something out of his work, why does not deserve to be compensated because of haiti?

cssssssssssss smedes

whoa what sorry keyboard malfunction

whiney has done this thing for free for a year

otm

I may not share his enthusiasm for twitter but I don't see why people shouldn't be compensated for doing good entertaining work

i mean, i'll let you guys know if i make any money. I really doubt it since hiring typists is hella expensive and 1000 cards is a big number

i will type some cards if you want--i also own a typewriter. totally serious.

do u live in ny?

nope. dc. i would do it for free, too. it sounds fun.

(and obviously, i wouldn't do ALL of your typing for you, but you know, keep it in mind.)

Okay sorry guys, it was just a thought. I mean there are lots of people on ILM that right v v entertaining shit all year and don't get paid for it, thats all.

Perhaps some sort of Cafepress book is the answer?

really don't get your point, jon — because not everyone in the world is getting paid to write and haiti is suffering, whiney shouldn't be hypothetically paid some small sum for a year of hard work? are you against anyone making money from their work as long as there is suffering in the world, or just whiney?

don't mean to seem mad at u, it just gets me heated when people devalue writing work—it's already so fuckin' hard to get paid to write anything these days

I commute to NY 2x/wk, and my friend has a typewriter...

i just sold #002

YO I heard you used to drum for a band whose frontman's solo release was like my faaaaaaaave album of 2008

that's a dope album

Sorry s1ocki, I didn't see your posts before now! As someone who does enjoy getting paid for a my time and effort, I certainly didn't intend to devalue what Whiney has done. Hell, I checked his tweets about as much as anyone else. I'm having a difficult time trying to explain why this rubs me the wrong way, but I think it comes down to me feeling that while, yes I would love to see Whiney make money for his effort, I'd have rather seen it via something like maybe a Paypal link while the project was going on. This self-promotion at the end just feels too self-congratulatory and insular.

I certainly wasn't intending to take away from his work and I hope I didn't cause offense. Obviously how I feel means nothing, because there are people willing to pay for it. So, yeah, feel free to hate away... but please don't think I'm trying to devalue his hard work. But a lot of people start ambitious blogs up each and every day with no hope of making money, they just do it because they want to.

well gosh

But a lot of people start ambitious blogs up each and every day with no hope of making money, they just do it because they want to.

― you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, January 25, 2010 10:43 PM (4 minutes ago)

this sounds a lot like you're devaluing hard work here

How do you get that? I was just commenting that not every blog founder is looking for money. If they can find a paying audience, awesome! I mean that sincerely. And I think its great that Whiney is making money off of this. I just think the method is a little too self-congratulatory for my taste.

I mean, look, if the Musicophilia guy or awesome tapes from africa dude (to name two examples) put up PayPal links for donations, I'd definitely be all about tossing a couple bucks their way - but I wouldn't buy their entries typed on a piece of paper and put into a fancy box either.

Fuck, I shouldn't have posted in this thread. Bring on the dogpile about how much of an asshole I am.

i mean, i'll let you guys know if i make any money. I really doubt it since hiring typists is hella expensive and 1000 cards is a big number

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, January 22, 2010 10:30 AM

Seriously guys this was prime #1 example of if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. I'm just going to back out and genuinely wish Whiney success with this.

nah jon, don't worry. the "errant paypal donations box lingering on the blog" always kind of rubbed me the wrong way for the very same reasons you're decrying my tweet box.

but i think the logistics of the project should make it clear that this is less about "cashing in on tweets" and more about "making an art object."

Article Magazine is a fan and friend and contacted me about collecting my tweets into a book. it started as a simple book but then it got grander and grander until was this fancy, expensive box. i'll be very upfront if I somehow end up making money on this, but it doesn't look likely.

I would like to some day turn twit-crit into something marketable, but this isn't it

Rolling @1000TimesYes Thread 2010

1.

Unless Nick has a problem with it, I'll make sure you get #001

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:43 PM (4 days ago)

oh wow thanks dude! i'm really, really hyped for this. (my order was the one from m1ch4el from MA. thankfully, my parents didn't name me kshighway.)

2. This is awesome too: the box is now a Kickstarter "Recommended Project" @ http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/by/recommended

i hope more people do cool shit with Kickstarter. esp. books. people need to make more books.

Article Magazine is a fan and friend and contacted me about collecting my tweets into a book. it started as a simple book but then it got grander and grander until was this fancy, expensive box. i'll be very upfront if I somehow end up making money on this, but it doesn't look likely.

I would like to some day turn twit-crit into something marketable, but this isn't it

Okay, hearing more about this project makes me realize my snap judgment was a little out of line.

actually, this is on the front page too: http://www.kickstarter.com/

I'm actually hoping we're gonna make enough money for me to get a box of my own! kshighway, can i come to your house and look at yours?

pledged $12, can't wait to make whiney talk to me about the dirty projectors

actually check that, cymbals eat guitars

u r a cruel mistress

Maybe we should run a GAPDY poll to see what he talks to J0rdan about.

xpost

if you're ever in Massachusetts, sure thing dude!

i also think that's bullshit if you don't get one of your own boxes. we should start an ILX fund on PayPal or something to make sure you do.

I'm really wondering about my day sometime in February where I'm just kickin back and calling 20 people in a row

whiney how much do kshighway and i have to donate to get you to come to boston and hang out and talk about indie rock ALL DAY

haha that was funny imo, especially when he makes fun of whiney's pronunciation of "coachella" (which i assumed was correct because i've never heard anyone talk about it IRL)

that was hilarious

i lol'd

hahah someone needs to make a version where the "fuck you!" is replaced by "shamwow!"

honestly would not be shocked if some variation on this persona winds up on weekend update sometime soon

owned

Would prolly be Armisen obv, but I think Moynihan would do a good job

i was gonna say samberg but yeah it's probably armisen since these complaints would make more sense for complaints about the death of music magazines coming out of an old dude

sorry so typo!!

i got my tweet card in the mail today -- i had totally forgotten about it and my first thought was "how the fuck did cymbals eat guitar's publicist get my home address?"

loooooool

figured this is the best place to say that i'm really enjoying yes in my backyard

spent 25 mins on the phone w/ whiney today for the kickstarter thing -- it was lots of fun, altho we might've talked a bit too much about ilx

loooooooooool

Oh Jesus.

i mentioned u

Oh, how so?

he mentioned ATP, and i said "talk to stephen ilxor about that"

Wish I had 25 mins with Whiney... :'(

Journalists these days are told that they have to be good at a lot of things: they have to produce for multiple platforms; they have to push their personal brand; they have to do more with less. As much as anybody else in the business, Weingarten has taken that advice to heart. When he’s not reviewing new records on Twitter—he did 1,000 tweet-reviews last year, all of them 140 characters or less—he’s writing slightly longer ones for outlets like Fuse, The Village Voice, and Rollingstone.com. He’s extremely active on the ILXOR music message board, where he goes by the name “Whiney G. Weingarten.” He wrote the cover story for the March/April issue of Revolver, a eleven-page history of hard-rock tattoos. His book about Public Enemy’s It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back was recently released by Continuum, as part of its 33 1/3 series of books about individual albums. He runs a Web site called Hipster Puppies, featuring photographs of dogs dressed in horn-rimmed glasses and hooded sweatshirts. The “bio” section of his Twitter page reads “Christopher R. Weingarten // Last Rock Critic Standing.”

someone needs to tell the columbia journalism review about suggest ban

had no idea chris was a dero stan

was just gonna say

ILXOR

Who, me?

Glad CJR is reading ILX.

holy lols, a 4-page article

It's meant to be broken up and read as 1,000 segments of 140 characters apiece.

should've embedded Er1c H4rv3y's condensed version of Whiney's speech at the beginning imo

pretty good article, though!

Whiney, do you know when the tweet boxes will be shipping? just wondering!

We only have half the cards typed at this point. A work in progress...

And by "we" I mean "nick and gabi"

ah cool! i was just wondering

ksh, do you get to request a hand-typed tweet on a silk-screened postcard?

Curious which you'll choose.

I considered going with something like The Antlers one, just because that record was huge for me last year, but then I ended up going with the Susan Boyle one, because it more or less said it all

did you get one dude?

I would LOVE to but no $$ for such things, I am a newlywed with budget concerns (incidentally this also means I'm being stretched to new lengths to buy music of any sort, and haven't done so for a while...).

yeah. (congrats on getting married tho!)

Hey thanks!

http://twitter.com/discographies

markers, did your box show up?

Yes! It is here!

Pledge $40 or more

Christopher will review your band's demo or album on @1000TimesYes! [IMPORTANT NOTE: Proceeds of this package go STRICTLY to the construction of the very expensive 2009 Tweet Boxes. All tweets resulting from this package will be accompanied by a FULL DISCLOSURE DISCLAIMER that they are, in fact, pay-for-review tweets]

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Did this ever happen? And if so, when did the reviews run?

so between twitter and ilx, how do you get anything done? how important is twitter to maintaining your, um, visibility?

Fuck twitter

ha, i just checked today to see if you had a twitter, raymond. some people are great at it, not sure if it's worth the feeling of blankness

is @noyokono on ilm

I am thinking no, but could be wrong.

def not