Do you think this was a good decision on their part or a bad one?Have any other bands ever tried something like this, right at the hieght of their popularity?
― acer, Thursday, 11 February 2010 18:25 (fifteen years ago)
Because they couldnt be heard above screaming teenagers.
Gary Numan retired from touring for a few years and his sales suffered because of it.Miles Davis retired in the 1970s for 3 years.
― Pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 11 February 2010 18:26 (fifteen years ago)
xtc stopped touring in 1982 right after having a top ten hit. Not sure if it was the height og their popularity.
― mizzell, Thursday, 11 February 2010 18:27 (fifteen years ago)
Steely Dan did it.
― WmC, Thursday, 11 February 2010 18:29 (fifteen years ago)
XTC too
― Fahrvergnügent (herb albert), Thursday, 11 February 2010 18:34 (fifteen years ago)
so did XTC
― 26 Mixes Focaccia (Stevie D), Thursday, 11 February 2010 18:34 (fifteen years ago)
and Steely Dan
― El Poopo Loco (Pancakes Hackman), Thursday, 11 February 2010 18:35 (fifteen years ago)
XTC stopped touring in '82.
― No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 11 February 2010 18:35 (fifteen years ago)
the beatles never stopped touring, it's the fans that stopped showing up
― velko, Thursday, 11 February 2010 18:36 (fifteen years ago)
Think Steely Dan did too.
― No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 11 February 2010 18:36 (fifteen years ago)
but what about the beatles?
― 26 Mixes Focaccia (Stevie D), Thursday, 11 February 2010 18:41 (fifteen years ago)
Throbbing Gristle did this, but only cuz they knocked up Cosy.
― Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Thursday, 11 February 2010 18:43 (fifteen years ago)
I stopped touring after my infamous kitchen jam of '04, but only because my cats kept giving me that look and I couldn't take it anymore
― ^^potentially not true at all, sry^^ (Z S), Thursday, 11 February 2010 18:49 (fifteen years ago)
Do you think this was a good decision on their part or a bad one?
good decision as now there's frenzied anticipation for this year's reunion tour.
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 11 February 2010 18:55 (fifteen years ago)
Dave Sim stopped touring when he found Allah.
― mellow, dramatic (WmC), Thursday, 11 February 2010 18:55 (fifteen years ago)
Can't wait for Grizzly Bear to stop touring...
― Sometimes a pie is just a pie (KMS), Thursday, 11 February 2010 18:57 (fifteen years ago)
lol yeah! do the jonas bros. still tour? they should stop and concentrate on their studio wizardry.
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 11 February 2010 18:59 (fifteen years ago)
kate bush did this.
― 80085 (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:03 (fifteen years ago)
The Beatles all died in a plane crash in 1965, and although the doubles George Martin replaced them with where good enough to fool the public on the then low-resolution TV and film broadcasts, it was decided that it wd be too risky for them to be seen again in public.
― I'm afraid we're dealing with Garth Crooks (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:05 (fifteen years ago)
I did this.
― Inculcate a spirit of serfdom in children (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:05 (fifteen years ago)
heard they were reforming for ATP next year, gonna do "Beatles '65" in its entirety
― El GarBage (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:14 (fifteen years ago)
Did anyone mention XTC?
― Euler, Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:15 (fifteen years ago)
oh fuck XTC, i forgot about them..."I Don't Like Mondays" is such a jam
― El GarBage (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:16 (fifteen years ago)
Think Steeleye Span did this too.
― I'm afraid we're dealing with Garth Crooks (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:19 (fifteen years ago)
they didn't stop. they went on hiatus. they planned their next tour in 1974, behind ringo's goodnight vienna album (like the wu-tang, the beatles had decided to spend several years releasing "solo" albums instead of group albums), but they canceled the tour when their chosen opening act, steely dan, backed out. another tour, planned for 1982, was canceled because of last-minute problems with that tour's opening act, xtc.
― fact checking cuz, Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:20 (fifteen years ago)
mf doom is another famous act that did this.
― fact checking cuz, Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:21 (fifteen years ago)
What about the voice of Geddy Lee?
― 26 Mixes Focaccia (Stevie D), Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:21 (fifteen years ago)
dear god
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:22 (fifteen years ago)
i remember when KISS retired from touring i was pretty bummed out
― El GarBage (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:22 (fifteen years ago)
(x-post) i wonder if he tours like an ordinary guy.
― fact checking cuz, Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:22 (fifteen years ago)
This is really fucking weird, that exact same line was just in my head.
― I'm afraid we're dealing with Garth Crooks (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:22 (fifteen years ago)
that happens a lot in my house.
― fact checking cuz, Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:23 (fifteen years ago)
If I remember correctly, didn't Lynyrd Skynyrd stop touring after 1977?
― I'm afraid we're dealing with Garth Crooks (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:23 (fifteen years ago)
What about Dylan?Bob Dylan didn't tour for eight years starting in 1966 "at the height of his fame" after the release of Blonde on Blonde
― lukevalentine, Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:24 (fifteen years ago)
copycat
― fact checking cuz, Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:24 (fifteen years ago)
i saw xtc. i think i saw steeleye span too, opening for procol harum. i don't think procol harum tour anymour.
― Thus Sang Freud, Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:25 (fifteen years ago)
more
what did i know from steeleye span when i was, like, 14, tho.
― Thus Sang Freud, Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:28 (fifteen years ago)
I guess it was a good decision - it seemed to work for 'em. But I wonder if they would have made records differently if they had been expecting to play at least some of it live. I know it's part of what made them great, but there's something a bit hermetically sealed in a lab and asexual about some post-65 Beatles records.
― Brio, Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:33 (fifteen years ago)
Ringo Starr - Theoretical Physicist
― I'm afraid we're dealing with Garth Crooks (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:34 (fifteen years ago)
Didn't Outkast stop touring when SB/LB came out? Or Andre did, at least.
― President Keyes, Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:38 (fifteen years ago)
The Beatles stopped touring because George couldn't face it any more, and they'd've broken up if they'd tried to go on that way. So good decision, unless you think the Beatles albums post '66 are rubbish.
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:43 (fifteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4-_7MEyZjA
― ∫ (Curt1s Stephens), Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:44 (fifteen years ago)
I don't know that it's really 100% live as advertised, but Cheap Trick did a pretty good live Sgt. Pepper...
― dlp9001, Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:45 (fifteen years ago)
R.E.M. didn't tour for either Out Of Time or Automatic i.e. their two biggest-selling albums.
― Gavin in Leeds, Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:45 (fifteen years ago)
Brian Wilson to thread (or rather, to bed)
and I thought The Beatles considered playing live again (maybe not touring) as part of the whole 'Get Back' project
― Fahrvergnügent (herb albert), Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:47 (fifteen years ago)
I guess it was a good decision - it seemed to work for 'em. But I wonder if they would have made records differently if they had been expecting to play at least some of it live.
― acer, Thursday, 11 February 2010 21:33 (fifteen years ago)
???
― Trip Maker, Thursday, 11 February 2010 21:34 (fifteen years ago)
dunno if there have been any books written about the beatles ...
― tylerw, Thursday, 11 February 2010 21:37 (fifteen years ago)
I've read a few books about the Beatles, but I have never read anything very detailed about why they stopped touring. This was a huge decision, it would seem to me, and every account I read of it takes it rather casaully. Maybe someone could direct me to a more detailed account of it.
― acer, Thursday, 11 February 2010 21:39 (fifteen years ago)
Simple answer: Because they could.
― Kat Bee, Friday, 12 February 2010 03:00 (fifteen years ago)
Maybe I just dont understand the times, but why couldnt they do small upscale venues, special gigs or even live tv shows?
Well, there was this...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzJ2NKp23WU
not to mention they played "live" from England on Ed Sullivan as well as Dick Cavett in the late 60'seven those performances were basically proto music videos
oh, plus the rooftop concert
― lukevalentine, Friday, 12 February 2010 06:07 (fifteen years ago)
even though those performances*
This is also why Sly and the Family Stone forgot to tour.
― Zachary Taylor, Friday, 12 February 2010 06:13 (fifteen years ago)
XTC stopped touring because Gangsta Andy Partidge got shot at while ridin' in stylez in Vegas.
― Pre-FAP Stout (King Boy Pato), Friday, 12 February 2010 06:18 (fifteen years ago)
The venues and the backline did not exist for the Beatles to be able to tour and play in any successfull/accomplished way. Yeah, the money would make up for it, but by then they had enough to be going on with.
The largest gig they ever played in the UK was a 'mersey beat' 'festival' along with other bands from Lpool, before they got signed to Parlophone.
― Mark G, Friday, 12 February 2010 08:25 (fifteen years ago)
it is sort of weird to think about what being a "band" actually means when you don't tour together and half of your music is recorded with different configurations of your members plus outside folks, sometimes even working isolation. hard to imagine many "bands" lasting for long under such circumstances--seems like there'd be a natural drift away from the unit cohesion that seems an essential thing for a touring band.
― by another name (amateurist), Friday, 12 February 2010 08:31 (fifteen years ago)
or just a band who regularly performs publicly, tour or no tour.
― by another name (amateurist), Friday, 12 February 2010 08:33 (fifteen years ago)
Well, the configuration for a 'recording band on tour' now is band members plus additional musicians and so on.
― Mark G, Friday, 12 February 2010 09:20 (fifteen years ago)
Also, their final tour of the USA was not sold out!
― Mark G, Friday, 12 February 2010 11:40 (fifteen years ago)
Too many people shouting freebird
― Jamie_ATP, Friday, 12 February 2010 11:44 (fifteen years ago)
"Wha? Free as a Bird? We'll get back to you on that one..."
― Mark G, Friday, 12 February 2010 11:47 (fifteen years ago)
The largest gig they ever played in the UK was a 'mersey beat' 'festival' along with other bands from Lpool
Not the Royal Variety Performance?
― El Poopo Loco (Pancakes Hackman), Friday, 12 February 2010 12:20 (fifteen years ago)
the venue they did the rvp at only held just over 1000 people
― Jamie_ATP, Friday, 12 February 2010 12:22 (fifteen years ago)
Yes, I did mean largest as in "people attending".
The NME poll winners one was probably close, but they only did three songs, or something like that.
― Mark G, Friday, 12 February 2010 12:29 (fifteen years ago)
Different world back then - I'd've gone. My mum saw them in Bournemouth in 1963, which I think was just pay-on-the-door
― Ismael Klata, Friday, 12 February 2010 12:48 (fifteen years ago)
Oh sure, but by 1966 other groups were available, and the Beatles' set hadn't changed much.
In three years, technology had moved up to improve things but by then the Beatles didn't want to.
― Mark G, Friday, 12 February 2010 13:48 (fifteen years ago)
it is sort of weird to think about what being a "band" actually means when you don't tour together and half of your music is recorded with different configurations of your members plus outside folks, sometimes even working isolation. hard to imagine many "bands" lasting for long under such circumstances
add in the fact that you've realized you don't actually like each other.
― fact checking cuz, Friday, 12 February 2010 15:35 (fifteen years ago)
The Damned stopped touring 26 times and it never did them any harm.
― stop me if you think that you've heard this (onimo), Friday, 12 February 2010 15:41 (fifteen years ago)
it is sort of weird to think about what being a "band" actually means when you don't tour together and half of your music is recorded with different configurations of your members plus outside folks, sometimes even working isolation. hard to imagine many "bands" lasting for long under such circumstancesadd in the fact that you've realized you don't actually like each other.
From my understanding it was just that John didnt like Paul and George didnt like Paul. Everyone else seemed to like each other...unless you count Yoko.
― acer, Friday, 12 February 2010 20:43 (fifteen years ago)
However, only John liked Yoko, and without Yoko, no John.
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Friday, 12 February 2010 20:46 (fifteen years ago)
John was kinda a dick to everybody - deriding Ringo's drumming skills in public interviews, refusing to contribute to George's songs, etc.
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 12 February 2010 20:53 (fifteen years ago)
(ie. "Ringo, the best drummer in the world? He's not even the best drummer in the Beatles!")
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 12 February 2010 20:54 (fifteen years ago)
mccartney is a pretty sick drummer tho, you have to admit it
― tylerw, Friday, 12 February 2010 20:54 (fifteen years ago)
(also prob the best guitar player in the Beatles)
― tylerw, Friday, 12 February 2010 20:55 (fifteen years ago)
no way
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 12 February 2010 20:56 (fifteen years ago)
I will grant that McCartney was the best multi-instrumentalist in the Beatles tho
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 12 February 2010 20:57 (fifteen years ago)
re: group cohesion, the Beach Boys were sorta ambiguous for a while, what with Brian not touring & Bruce filling in, plus The Wrecking Crew on the records, & then Brian going nuts & then later half of the Flames
― lukevalentine, Friday, 12 February 2010 20:59 (fifteen years ago)
haha, mainly trolling re: mccartney, i love george and ringo. but i always thought it would've been cool if mccartney went through a phase where he was like "i'm really into drumming now" and joined some random band.
― tylerw, Friday, 12 February 2010 21:04 (fifteen years ago)
the way the Beatles messed with each other I doubt if Ringo took that comment seriously. I think he would have been more pissed when McCartney took on the drumming when he wasnt around...didnt PMac even record over some of Ringo's work???
― acer, Friday, 12 February 2010 22:15 (fifteen years ago)
i think mccartney played drums on several White Album tracks. Not sure which ones other than USSR and Dear Prudence.
― tylerw, Friday, 12 February 2010 22:20 (fifteen years ago)
Macca recorded drums for his own songs when Ringo wasn't around - most notably during the recording of the White Album when Ringo temporarily quit because he couldn't take Macca's annoying perfectionism/endless hectoring
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 12 February 2010 22:22 (fifteen years ago)
from what I've gathered over the years it seems like John was the biggest asshole on a personal level, but was relatively easy to work with. Whereas Paul was easily the most likeable/affable on a personal level, but he was a total pain to work with.
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 12 February 2010 22:23 (fifteen years ago)
That last post may be quite OTM, I think. George was probably the most sympathetic on both accounts. I suspect John may have been considerably more difficult to work with after he met Yoko though.
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 13 February 2010 00:41 (fifteen years ago)
yeah once Yoko enters the picture its clear the balance changed considerably
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 13 February 2010 00:43 (fifteen years ago)
Which of course also made him a control freak. And the others may not have enjoyed that so much.
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 13 February 2010 00:49 (fifteen years ago)
Does anyone know if there is any footage of the Beatles recording the Abbey Road album?
― acer, Thursday, 18 February 2010 20:11 (fifteen years ago)
seem to recall some footage of them recording octopus garden in the anthology doc ...
― tylerw, Thursday, 18 February 2010 20:18 (fifteen years ago)
its kinda weird how remarkably little documentation there is of the making of Abbey Road, compared to all their other stuff. otoh, the experience of Let it Be woulda burned anybody out on cameras, I imagine
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 18 February 2010 20:20 (fifteen years ago)
like I don't think I've ever even seen any photos from those sessions
There's some documentation of the Let It Be album...
― Mark G, Thursday, 18 February 2010 20:22 (fifteen years ago)
right. I'm referring to Abbey Road. It was like after Let it Be they had a NO CAMERAS rule or something. there aren't even really outtakes or extras from the Abbey Road sessions afaik
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 18 February 2010 20:25 (fifteen years ago)
Oh, there's a photo of them crossing the street to the studio, iirc.
― Mark G, Thursday, 18 February 2010 20:25 (fifteen years ago)
some sessions stuff here: http://bigozine2.com/roio/?p=409there's apparently an 83-disc (!) Abbey Roads Sessions bootleg ... good lord.
― tylerw, Thursday, 18 February 2010 20:26 (fifteen years ago)
yeah but even that is OUTSIDE!
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 18 February 2010 20:27 (fifteen years ago)
it is kinda weird in lewisohn's "complete beatles chronicles" how there are like ZERO photos at the end except for paul talking on the phone or something
― guammls (QE II), Thursday, 18 February 2010 20:27 (fifteen years ago)
It starts with George Harrison briefing the Beatles on Something. You can hear Lennon, a bit miffed by this song, requesting the band to move on to some “rock ‘n’ roll” at the end.
ever the jerk...
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 18 February 2010 20:28 (fifteen years ago)
haha ... "BOOOOOORING, George!"
― tylerw, Thursday, 18 February 2010 20:36 (fifteen years ago)
yeah, but then you've got John here singing the lead so George can work out a countermelody to it.
Which is nice.
― Mark G, Thursday, 18 February 2010 23:59 (fifteen years ago)
george-john duet on something is terrific!
― iago g., Saturday, 20 February 2010 04:08 (fifteen years ago)