BOOGIE DOWN PRODUCTIONS "BY ALL MEANS NECESSARY" POLL

my philosophy doy

fresh for 88 you suckas

funky funky funky funky funky hit records

my philosophy is great of course, but i think illegal business might get my vote

also a big old golf clap to all you hilarious wags that are going to vote for edit

still #1 is great too, but yeah my philosophy is just epic.

this album nowhere near as good as 'criminal minded', but 'my philosophy' is their best track.

still #1 is great too, but yeah my philosophy is just epic.

^^^

voted I'm Still #1

about half of this album is a waste of time tho

suggest ban function is down with us

lol are you still butthurt over Kevin Smith diss

i had the armrests down

jimmy v. im still #1 = we all win.

about half of this album is a waste of time tho

― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, February 22, 2010 9:37 PM (55 minutes ago)

if Nervous and Necessary were half this album this would be 10000% OTM

add Ya Slippin and Stop the Violence to that list and you're where I'm at

my philosophy is great of course, but i think illegal business might get my vote

Yeah, torn between these two. Love how tripped-out 'Illegal Business' is.

a lot of rappers like to use the word dramatical

Ya Slippin and Nervous are awesome wtf

i'm gonna suggban you but for now just seckle

huh, nervous bugs and bores me, idk

add...Stop the Violence to that list and you're where I'm at

― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, February 22, 2010 2:35 PM Bookmark

u mad

ya slippin is pretty great though, so i dont really get that thumbs down

xpost or the stop the violence one either tbh?

nervous and necessary just seem like side end people wont get to this all that often throwaways to me

I'm like the only person here who saw snippets of KRS-One's various talk show/lecture appearances and was so repelled by the incoherence and stupidity that he actively avoided most of the music associated with him, aren't I

if i could get over "radio song" you too can get past these difficulties

I think seeing him talk was the moment that crystallized the idea that people I fundamentally agree with can still be complete idiots for me.

Like, I applaud him for Stop the Violence but I also think he's very, very, very stupid based off of watching him spar with someone about racism where every other thing he said was a datapoint in favor of the idea that black people are incapable of thinking logically or effectively communicating a viewpoint; I wish I could remember what show it was but all I remember was yelling "STOP MAKING ALL OF US LOOK SO BAD" at the TV while the racist he was talking at rubbed her hands and did a little gleeful chair jig.

lol

yeah he's kinda a dope

...which doesn't negate the fact that he was a fairly awesome rapper for a good dozen years or so

eh more like 3

I mean there's Criminal Minded (which is far and away his best) and then this album and then uh...

sleep on 90s KRS at your own peril imo

Return of the Boom Bap is a classic

I love "Black Cop" and "Sound of the Police" but I still think he's an idiot.

Return of the Boom Bap is a classic
^^word

i love how they are using sound of the police in those new bruce willis/tracy morgan commercials just cuz that movie seems like it was made when that was a new song.

yeah i really like sex and violence too, or a lot of it ("duck down" is a classic)

i also like the blueprint

edutainment is not that great iirc

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=47066060

xp yeah but "love's gonna get ya" is

yeah that's classic tune....

ms melody was not dope.

i remember this cuz it was the first time i knew about freddie foxx

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfigu9vEWjU

"Step Into a World" is the last great thing he did obv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAe4JJivzmc

oops wait first freddie verse i remember was actually on "money in the bank" by kool g rap

^^^

xpost

still #1 is great too, but yeah my philosophy is just epic.

Shakey
http://www.forumspile.com/STFU-Stop_Posting.jpg

sleep on 90s KRS at your own peril imo

cosign ^^^

last good krs song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnI8JEW7Ty4

KRS was dope on the last verse of this and it was 1999

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CERbRo_X2G4

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDyYHIDJ1CQ

I voted "Illegal Business" on behalf of my wife, who can still bust out the whole thing a capella from memory.

I think seeing him talk was the moment that crystallized the idea that people I fundamentally agree with can still be complete idiots for me.

Like, I applaud him for Stop the Violence but I also think he's very, very, very stupid based off of watching him spar with someone about racism where every other thing he said was a datapoint in favor of the idea that black people are incapable of thinking logically or effectively communicating a viewpoint; I wish I could remember what show it was but all I remember was yelling "STOP MAKING ALL OF US LOOK SO BAD" at the TV while the racist he was talking at rubbed her hands and did a little gleeful chair jig.

― Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Monday, 22 February 2010 22:50 (6 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Ok well I fell in love with a bunch of KRS's music way before I noticed he has grown up to be a retard.

Also will do a tracklist of dope 00s krs tracks when the caffeine kicks in.

ok from checking out his last two albums i decided against it.

check out kristyles though, half of it is dope.

and this here is my jam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMuY9sK6fQE

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

I fell in love with a bunch of KRS's music way before I noticed he has grown up to be a retard.

― 80085 (a hoy hoy), Saturday, February 27, 2010 11:53 PM Bookmark

same here

RIP Ms Melodie

whoah waht

Ah damn :(

Was listening to "Criminal Minded" just now, and two questions. 1) How come BDP could get away with the "Back in Black" sample but not the Beastie Boys? And 2) at what point did hip-hop start to lean so hard on profanity? Schooly D. or whomever aside, did that comes with the rise of the likes of Ice T?

yeah p much..2 Live Crew too

too $hort

How come BDP could get away with the "Back in Black" sample but not the Beastie Boys?

because CBS were a decades-old multinational communications company worth many millions of dollars and with lots of lawyers, whereas Sweet Heart was probably one desk and a phone in the Bronx

Was listening to "Criminal Minded" just now, and two questions. 1) How come BDP could get away with the "Back in Black" sample but not the Beastie Boys? And 2) at what point did hip-hop start to lean so hard on profanity? Schooly D. or whomever aside, did that comes with the rise of the likes of Ice T?

I mean also “lean on” vs “not acquiescing to the arbitrary rules of morality dictated by capital in favor of talking like regular people do”

NWA is what I first thought of. Showed you can cuss like Blowfly and still sell a bunch of records.

xpost Well, I guess that's a different conversation. I just listen to a lot of older (which I guess means ... pre'90s?) hip-hop and think, well, of course these MCs curse all the time in their private lives, just like anyone does, which maybe means they are making a concerted effort *not* to do it in their music. Same was true for a lot of rock music, even metal, or even punk, for all their rancor and rebelliousness. People just didn't curse that much in music, and then at some point ... they did. But in hip-hop specifically, because it is so lyrically driven, I've always thought of too much cursing as a bit of a crutch. It often just comes off lazy to me, and loses its potency as both punctuation and shock power. That's why I said "lean on." And I don't think the music is less powerful/moving/confrontational/righteous for lacking profanity, it just maybe forced people to be more creative in their forcefulness. Like, Whiney, you would know: "Nation of Millions," is there much profanity on that? I don't think so, right? That's crazy that someone could make music that confrontational and aggressive without it, and it certainly wasn't because someone told them not to, or that they were trying to be more commercial.

To each musician his own, but the genre found a different kind of potency when Ice T, NWA, Geto Boys, etc started combining street-level reportage with the type of language people use on said streets.

Comparing Public Enemy and NWA is like comparing Sergio Leone to Sam Peckinpah — they’re both great!

I mean, also PE were on Def Jam who made the Beasties take a bunch of stuff off their record and we’re trying to make huge records and NWA were on a shady indie run by Jerry Heller and the group member who actually sold drugs

*were

"you say Goddamn! this is a dope jam" and "who gives a fuck about a goddamn Grammy?" are about as far as Nation Of Millions goes

"coming from the school of hard knocks / some perpetrate, they drink Clorox" ought to have had a revival a few months ago tbf

And just for the historical footnote, *gangsta rap* was kind of a niche genre from like 1987-1991 the same way as like Megadeth or Skid Row records or whatever without full radio support. The Chronic (probably with some help from SoundScan being adopted in 1991) basically said “hey this can not only sell like pop music but sound like pop music”

And that’s how you can have a triple platinum record where someone opens the door and sees his big dick fucking somebody

2) at what point did hip-hop start to lean so hard on profanity?

Too $hort 1985-1988 was nothing but profanity. He had a song that talked about (then first lady) Nancy Reagan giving him a blowjob that kind of spurred the whole Tipper Gore PRMC.

This was pretty unusual to hear in 1988:

So fresh again with cusswords
Motherfucking shit, fucking with me
Fuck a skank bitch and a sucker MC
All you bastards got the claps
And fuck you punk 'cause you still can’t rap
Cusswords, just let em roll
Motherfucking shit, goddamn asshole
Cusswords, just don't quit
Motherfuck you damn shithead bitch

1978:
You can easily when them hoes are hot
Specially for you guys like me who to like to go out and get them one nighters with a strange piece of cunt
And if you touch her on the arm and she let it stay there
That mean she used to being touched on the arm
You don't bullshit with that shit
Now if you play with her thighs and nothing happens
Don't change no expression
You know what that mean
That mean you ain't done nothing strange
But you happen to touch her on the neck
Or on the tits or on the ass

He had a song that talked about (then first lady) Nancy Reagan giving him a blowjob that kind of spurred the whole Tipper Gore PRMC.

I remember listening to "Raising Hell" for the first time (at the dinner table, lol) and "Hit It Run" has the line "those dumb motherfuckers can't mess with us." I remember it being pretty shocking, and definitely catching my dad's attention. I don't think anything else on that album has profanity, probably true for their other early albums, too. Of course that album was huge *and* on Def Jam, so it's not like the one "motherfucker" impeded its sales, let alone that Def Jam had a problem with it. Stuff like Too $hort, like 2 Live Crew later, was definitely ott profane, but they were pretty extreme outliers. I was listening to "O.G.: Original Gangster" the other day, which was ... 1991? So post NWA, 2 Live Crew, etc., more or less peak gangsta era, but even it iirc is relatively modest when it comes to profanity. Or at least Ice seems to curse more strategically. Probably helped that the ire he drummed up had a lot less to do with language, per se, and more about what he was saying.

Ice in 1988, two albums before OG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV1va9Bfl2o

Yeah, I know. Lots of "OG" is pretty self-conscious/self-refrential about his previous stuff.

feel like Geto Boys/Rap a Lot stuff is impactful
that shit was was more extreme, I listen to it now and it's demented

grip it on that other level was 89

Is GNR the only 80s hard rock band as consistently profane as some hip hop?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poTA34hKbZw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u96tYuv2Zk

Yeah, I immediately though of WASP, but I've never listened to any of their albums. Is "Animal" (a song I imagine most people only recognize for its title/cover; I don't think I've ever heard it, tbh) an outlier or indicative? Certainly that Anthrax song falls on the novelty end of the spectrum, even for them.

What always struck me about GNR was how thoroughly ott profane it was. Hits aside, I guess.

Not profanity but relatedly, a good friend of mine from when I lived in Brooklyn told me back in the day that the reason The Beastie Boys recorded the Run-DMC-penned "Paul Revere" because a song about shooting places up would be more palatable coming from three white kids than from Run-DMC. The violence in that song seems cartoonish now, but back then it probably wasn't.

That said, I never ever found any confirmation of this theory anywhere.

Run and DMC wrote the song with Adrock in the studio, it wasn't held back from a Run DMC record.