BOOGIE DOWN PRODUCTIONS "BY ALL MEANS NECESSARY" POLL

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this is going to be really hard for me, but i will lol at people who vote for a couple of these because they are straight garbage

Poll Results

OptionVotes
1. "My Philosophy" 5:41 9
4. "Illegal Business" 5:22 4
6. "I'm Still #1" 5:13 3
3. "Stop the Violence" 4:42 0
5. "Nervous" 4:13 0
2. "Ya Slippin'" 4:56 0
7. "Part Time Suckers" 5:32 0
8. "Jimmy" 4:16 0
9. "T'Cha-T'Cha" 4:35 0
10. "Necessary" 2:57 0
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THEY HAVE CREATED ANOTHER (jjjusten), Monday, 22 February 2010 21:04 (fifteen years ago)

my philosophy doy

allyboy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 22 February 2010 21:05 (fifteen years ago)

fresh for 88 you suckas

sharter the unstoppable ilx machine (history mayne), Monday, 22 February 2010 21:05 (fifteen years ago)

funky funky funky funky funky hit records

allyboy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 22 February 2010 21:06 (fifteen years ago)

my philosophy is great of course, but i think illegal business might get my vote

THEY HAVE CREATED ANOTHER (jjjusten), Monday, 22 February 2010 21:07 (fifteen years ago)

also a big old golf clap to all you hilarious wags that are going to vote for edit

THEY HAVE CREATED ANOTHER (jjjusten), Monday, 22 February 2010 21:07 (fifteen years ago)

still #1 is great too, but yeah my philosophy is just epic.

julio caeser soze (M@tt He1ges0n), Monday, 22 February 2010 21:15 (fifteen years ago)

this album nowhere near as good as 'criminal minded', but 'my philosophy' is their best track.

sharter the unstoppable ilx machine (history mayne), Monday, 22 February 2010 21:23 (fifteen years ago)

still #1 is great too, but yeah my philosophy is just epic.

^^^

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Monday, 22 February 2010 21:26 (fifteen years ago)

voted I'm Still #1

Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 22 February 2010 21:37 (fifteen years ago)

about half of this album is a waste of time tho

Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 22 February 2010 21:37 (fifteen years ago)

suggest ban function is down with us

allyboy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 22 February 2010 21:39 (fifteen years ago)

lol are you still butthurt over Kevin Smith diss

Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 22 February 2010 21:46 (fifteen years ago)

i had the armrests down

allyboy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 22 February 2010 21:48 (fifteen years ago)

jimmy v. im still #1 = we all win.

80085 (a hoy hoy), Monday, 22 February 2010 21:52 (fifteen years ago)

about half of this album is a waste of time tho

― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, February 22, 2010 9:37 PM (55 minutes ago)

if Nervous and Necessary were half this album this would be 10000% OTM

THEY HAVE CREATED ANOTHER (jjjusten), Monday, 22 February 2010 22:33 (fifteen years ago)

add Ya Slippin and Stop the Violence to that list and you're where I'm at

Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 22 February 2010 22:35 (fifteen years ago)

my philosophy is great of course, but i think illegal business might get my vote

Yeah, torn between these two. Love how tripped-out 'Illegal Business' is.

Gavin in Leeds, Monday, 22 February 2010 22:38 (fifteen years ago)

a lot of rappers like to use the word dramatical

soft serve space age blap (The Reverend), Monday, 22 February 2010 22:38 (fifteen years ago)

Ya Slippin and Nervous are awesome wtf

Joannon HOOM (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 22 February 2010 22:38 (fifteen years ago)

i'm gonna suggban you but for now just seckle

Joannon HOOM (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 22 February 2010 22:38 (fifteen years ago)

huh, nervous bugs and bores me, idk

THEY HAVE CREATED ANOTHER (jjjusten), Monday, 22 February 2010 22:39 (fifteen years ago)

add...Stop the Violence to that list and you're where I'm at

― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, February 22, 2010 2:35 PM Bookmark

u mad

soft serve space age blap (The Reverend), Monday, 22 February 2010 22:39 (fifteen years ago)

ya slippin is pretty great though, so i dont really get that thumbs down

xpost or the stop the violence one either tbh?

nervous and necessary just seem like side end people wont get to this all that often throwaways to me

THEY HAVE CREATED ANOTHER (jjjusten), Monday, 22 February 2010 22:41 (fifteen years ago)

I'm like the only person here who saw snippets of KRS-One's various talk show/lecture appearances and was so repelled by the incoherence and stupidity that he actively avoided most of the music associated with him, aren't I

Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Monday, 22 February 2010 22:43 (fifteen years ago)

if i could get over "radio song" you too can get past these difficulties

THEY HAVE CREATED ANOTHER (jjjusten), Monday, 22 February 2010 22:46 (fifteen years ago)

I think seeing him talk was the moment that crystallized the idea that people I fundamentally agree with can still be complete idiots for me.

Like, I applaud him for Stop the Violence but I also think he's very, very, very stupid based off of watching him spar with someone about racism where every other thing he said was a datapoint in favor of the idea that black people are incapable of thinking logically or effectively communicating a viewpoint; I wish I could remember what show it was but all I remember was yelling "STOP MAKING ALL OF US LOOK SO BAD" at the TV while the racist he was talking at rubbed her hands and did a little gleeful chair jig.

Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Monday, 22 February 2010 22:50 (fifteen years ago)

lol

yeah he's kinda a dope

Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 22 February 2010 22:54 (fifteen years ago)

...which doesn't negate the fact that he was a fairly awesome rapper for a good dozen years or so

soft serve space age blap (The Reverend), Monday, 22 February 2010 23:11 (fifteen years ago)

eh more like 3

Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 22 February 2010 23:12 (fifteen years ago)

I mean there's Criminal Minded (which is far and away his best) and then this album and then uh...

Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 22 February 2010 23:12 (fifteen years ago)

sleep on 90s KRS at your own peril imo

Return of the Boom Bap is a classic

soft serve space age blap (The Reverend), Monday, 22 February 2010 23:13 (fifteen years ago)

I love "Black Cop" and "Sound of the Police" but I still think he's an idiot.

Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Monday, 22 February 2010 23:15 (fifteen years ago)

Return of the Boom Bap is a classic
^^word

i love how they are using sound of the police in those new bruce willis/tracy morgan commercials just cuz that movie seems like it was made when that was a new song.

yeah i really like sex and violence too, or a lot of it ("duck down" is a classic)

i also like the blueprint

edutainment is not that great iirc

julio caeser soze (M@tt He1ges0n), Monday, 22 February 2010 23:16 (fifteen years ago)

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=47066060

julio caeser soze (M@tt He1ges0n), Monday, 22 February 2010 23:18 (fifteen years ago)

xp yeah but "love's gonna get ya" is

soft serve space age blap (The Reverend), Monday, 22 February 2010 23:18 (fifteen years ago)

yeah that's classic tune....

ms melody was not dope.

i remember this cuz it was the first time i knew about freddie foxx

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfigu9vEWjU

julio caeser soze (M@tt He1ges0n), Monday, 22 February 2010 23:20 (fifteen years ago)

"Step Into a World" is the last great thing he did obv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAe4JJivzmc

soft serve space age blap (The Reverend), Monday, 22 February 2010 23:22 (fifteen years ago)

oops wait first freddie verse i remember was actually on "money in the bank" by kool g rap

julio caeser soze (M@tt He1ges0n), Monday, 22 February 2010 23:26 (fifteen years ago)

^^^

xpost

sharter the unstoppable ilx machine (history mayne), Monday, 22 February 2010 23:27 (fifteen years ago)

still #1 is great too, but yeah my philosophy is just epic.

fat ass idiot butt munch (PappaWheelie V), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 01:10 (fifteen years ago)

Shakey
http://www.forumspile.com/STFU-Stop_Posting.jpg

Joannon HOOM (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 01:23 (fifteen years ago)

sleep on 90s KRS at your own peril imo

cosign ^^^

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 01:32 (fifteen years ago)

last good krs song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnI8JEW7Ty4

Luz, a saucy taco slinger (hmmmm), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 04:11 (fifteen years ago)

KRS was dope on the last verse of this and it was 1999

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CERbRo_X2G4

Joannon HOOM (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 04:18 (fifteen years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Sunday, 28 February 2010 00:01 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDyYHIDJ1CQ

SHORTS? seriously? fuck off. (ojo), Sunday, 28 February 2010 05:02 (fifteen years ago)

I voted "Illegal Business" on behalf of my wife, who can still bust out the whole thing a capella from memory.

T Bone Streep (Cave17Matt), Sunday, 28 February 2010 06:45 (fifteen years ago)

I think seeing him talk was the moment that crystallized the idea that people I fundamentally agree with can still be complete idiots for me.

Like, I applaud him for Stop the Violence but I also think he's very, very, very stupid based off of watching him spar with someone about racism where every other thing he said was a datapoint in favor of the idea that black people are incapable of thinking logically or effectively communicating a viewpoint; I wish I could remember what show it was but all I remember was yelling "STOP MAKING ALL OF US LOOK SO BAD" at the TV while the racist he was talking at rubbed her hands and did a little gleeful chair jig.

― Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Monday, 22 February 2010 22:50 (6 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Ok well I fell in love with a bunch of KRS's music way before I noticed he has grown up to be a retard.

80085 (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 28 February 2010 07:53 (fifteen years ago)

Also will do a tracklist of dope 00s krs tracks when the caffeine kicks in.

80085 (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 28 February 2010 07:54 (fifteen years ago)

ok from checking out his last two albums i decided against it.

check out kristyles though, half of it is dope.

and this here is my jam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMuY9sK6fQE

80085 (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 28 February 2010 08:11 (fifteen years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Monday, 1 March 2010 00:01 (fifteen years ago)

I fell in love with a bunch of KRS's music way before I noticed he has grown up to be a retard.

― 80085 (a hoy hoy), Saturday, February 27, 2010 11:53 PM Bookmark

same here

The Reverend, Monday, 1 March 2010 01:27 (fifteen years ago)

two years pass...

RIP Ms Melodie

chain the color of am0n (The Reverend), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 22:05 (thirteen years ago)

whoah waht

the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 22:08 (thirteen years ago)

Ah damn :(

wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 July 2012 00:01 (thirteen years ago)

eight years pass...

Was listening to "Criminal Minded" just now, and two questions. 1) How come BDP could get away with the "Back in Black" sample but not the Beastie Boys? And 2) at what point did hip-hop start to lean so hard on profanity? Schooly D. or whomever aside, did that comes with the rise of the likes of Ice T?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 October 2020 23:10 (five years ago)

yeah p much..2 Live Crew too

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 9 October 2020 23:11 (five years ago)

too $hort

trapped out the barndo (crüt), Saturday, 10 October 2020 02:36 (five years ago)

How come BDP could get away with the "Back in Black" sample but not the Beastie Boys?

because CBS were a decades-old multinational communications company worth many millions of dollars and with lots of lawyers, whereas Sweet Heart was probably one desk and a phone in the Bronx

Covidiots from UHF (sic), Saturday, 10 October 2020 02:59 (five years ago)

Was listening to "Criminal Minded" just now, and two questions. 1) How come BDP could get away with the "Back in Black" sample but not the Beastie Boys? And 2) at what point did hip-hop start to lean so hard on profanity? Schooly D. or whomever aside, did that comes with the rise of the likes of Ice T?


Probably Straight Outta Compton

Thoia Thoing, Maryland (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 10 October 2020 03:13 (five years ago)

I mean also “lean on” vs “not acquiescing to the arbitrary rules of morality dictated by capital in favor of talking like regular people do”

Thoia Thoing, Maryland (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 10 October 2020 03:14 (five years ago)

NWA is what I first thought of. Showed you can cuss like Blowfly and still sell a bunch of records.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 10 October 2020 03:18 (five years ago)

xpost Well, I guess that's a different conversation. I just listen to a lot of older (which I guess means ... pre'90s?) hip-hop and think, well, of course these MCs curse all the time in their private lives, just like anyone does, which maybe means they are making a concerted effort *not* to do it in their music. Same was true for a lot of rock music, even metal, or even punk, for all their rancor and rebelliousness. People just didn't curse that much in music, and then at some point ... they did. But in hip-hop specifically, because it is so lyrically driven, I've always thought of too much cursing as a bit of a crutch. It often just comes off lazy to me, and loses its potency as both punctuation and shock power. That's why I said "lean on." And I don't think the music is less powerful/moving/confrontational/righteous for lacking profanity, it just maybe forced people to be more creative in their forcefulness. Like, Whiney, you would know: "Nation of Millions," is there much profanity on that? I don't think so, right? That's crazy that someone could make music that confrontational and aggressive without it, and it certainly wasn't because someone told them not to, or that they were trying to be more commercial.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 10 October 2020 03:29 (five years ago)

To each musician his own, but the genre found a different kind of potency when Ice T, NWA, Geto Boys, etc started combining street-level reportage with the type of language people use on said streets.

Comparing Public Enemy and NWA is like comparing Sergio Leone to Sam Peckinpah — they’re both great!

Thoia Thoing, Maryland (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 10 October 2020 04:04 (five years ago)

I mean, also PE were on Def Jam who made the Beasties take a bunch of stuff off their record and we’re trying to make huge records and NWA were on a shady indie run by Jerry Heller and the group member who actually sold drugs

Thoia Thoing, Maryland (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 10 October 2020 04:07 (five years ago)

*were

Thoia Thoing, Maryland (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 10 October 2020 04:07 (five years ago)

"you say Goddamn! this is a dope jam" and "who gives a fuck about a goddamn Grammy?" are about as far as Nation Of Millions goes

"coming from the school of hard knocks / some perpetrate, they drink Clorox" ought to have had a revival a few months ago tbf

Covidiots from UHF (sic), Saturday, 10 October 2020 04:08 (five years ago)

And just for the historical footnote, *gangsta rap* was kind of a niche genre from like 1987-1991 the same way as like Megadeth or Skid Row records or whatever without full radio support. The Chronic (probably with some help from SoundScan being adopted in 1991) basically said “hey this can not only sell like pop music but sound like pop music”

And that’s how you can have a triple platinum record where someone opens the door and sees his big dick fucking somebody

Thoia Thoing, Maryland (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 10 October 2020 04:16 (five years ago)

2) at what point did hip-hop start to lean so hard on profanity?

Too $hort 1985-1988 was nothing but profanity. He had a song that talked about (then first lady) Nancy Reagan giving him a blowjob that kind of spurred the whole Tipper Gore PRMC.

This was pretty unusual to hear in 1988:

So fresh again with cusswords
Motherfucking shit, fucking with me
Fuck a skank bitch and a sucker MC
All you bastards got the claps
And fuck you punk 'cause you still can’t rap
Cusswords, just let em roll
Motherfucking shit, goddamn asshole
Cusswords, just don't quit
Motherfuck you damn shithead bitch

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 10 October 2020 05:18 (five years ago)

1978:
You can easily when them hoes are hot
Specially for you guys like me who to like to go out and get them one nighters with a strange piece of cunt
And if you touch her on the arm and she let it stay there
That mean she used to being touched on the arm
You don't bullshit with that shit
Now if you play with her thighs and nothing happens
Don't change no expression
You know what that mean
That mean you ain't done nothing strange
But you happen to touch her on the neck
Or on the tits or on the ass

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 10 October 2020 05:27 (five years ago)




He had a song that talked about (then first lady) Nancy Reagan giving him a blowjob that kind of spurred the whole Tipper Gore PRMC.



He did have this song, but PMRC was already in full effect for years at this point

Thoia Thoing, Maryland (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 10 October 2020 05:34 (five years ago)

I remember listening to "Raising Hell" for the first time (at the dinner table, lol) and "Hit It Run" has the line "those dumb motherfuckers can't mess with us." I remember it being pretty shocking, and definitely catching my dad's attention. I don't think anything else on that album has profanity, probably true for their other early albums, too. Of course that album was huge *and* on Def Jam, so it's not like the one "motherfucker" impeded its sales, let alone that Def Jam had a problem with it. Stuff like Too $hort, like 2 Live Crew later, was definitely ott profane, but they were pretty extreme outliers. I was listening to "O.G.: Original Gangster" the other day, which was ... 1991? So post NWA, 2 Live Crew, etc., more or less peak gangsta era, but even it iirc is relatively modest when it comes to profanity. Or at least Ice seems to curse more strategically. Probably helped that the ire he drummed up had a lot less to do with language, per se, and more about what he was saying.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 10 October 2020 13:46 (five years ago)

Ice in 1988, two albums before OG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV1va9Bfl2o

Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 10 October 2020 14:21 (five years ago)

Yeah, I know. Lots of "OG" is pretty self-conscious/self-refrential about his previous stuff.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 10 October 2020 14:53 (five years ago)

feel like Geto Boys/Rap a Lot stuff is impactful
that shit was was more extreme, I listen to it now and it's demented

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 10 October 2020 15:48 (five years ago)

grip it on that other level was 89

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 10 October 2020 15:49 (five years ago)

Is GNR the only 80s hard rock band as consistently profane as some hip hop?

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 10 October 2020 15:54 (five years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poTA34hKbZw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u96tYuv2Zk

Thoia Thoing, Maryland (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 10 October 2020 17:33 (five years ago)

Yeah, I immediately though of WASP, but I've never listened to any of their albums. Is "Animal" (a song I imagine most people only recognize for its title/cover; I don't think I've ever heard it, tbh) an outlier or indicative? Certainly that Anthrax song falls on the novelty end of the spectrum, even for them.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 10 October 2020 17:37 (five years ago)

What always struck me about GNR was how thoroughly ott profane it was. Hits aside, I guess.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 10 October 2020 17:40 (five years ago)

Not profanity but relatedly, a good friend of mine from when I lived in Brooklyn told me back in the day that the reason The Beastie Boys recorded the Run-DMC-penned "Paul Revere" because a song about shooting places up would be more palatable coming from three white kids than from Run-DMC. The violence in that song seems cartoonish now, but back then it probably wasn't.

That said, I never ever found any confirmation of this theory anywhere.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Saturday, 10 October 2020 19:16 (five years ago)

Run and DMC wrote the song with Adrock in the studio, it wasn't held back from a Run DMC record.

Covidiots from UHF (sic), Saturday, 10 October 2020 20:03 (five years ago)


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