Post-Rock/Math-Rock

I think that ILM is lacking in Post Rock/Math Rock discussion. What bands that fit into these categories do we all like? I have been really into 'Tenebre' 'Don Caballero' and 'Do Make Say Think' recently.

I propose a thread to discuss the merits of My Bloody Valentine.

loveless was a fine album, the production was mediocre. I still listen to it sometimes.... how is that?

plz to use 1 search function

well lets make this all relevant then shall we? this thread is now about bands that fall into both of these labels i.e. 'russian circles' and 'And So I Watch You From Afar' anything else that fits this description whether it leans more towards math rock or post rock.

I read a review on some post-rock site describing an album as "good old-fashioned post rock, just the way we like it", apparently with no irony. No wonder it's a niche genre...

Tortoise are post-rock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-Nfjg1HU2A

must mention talk talk and slint, which certainly are my introductions to post-rock. and to the fellow who claimed loveless' production was weak: whaaaattt? it's all production.

shedding a tear for poor souls who try to start post-rock threads on ilm. i'm not aware of too many math-rock dudes around here, it's definitely underrepresented.

i'm a math rock dude but i'm not about to post on this thread when there is plenty discussion existing already

must mention talk talk

Talk Talk are not post-rock, damn it, they are an '80s new-wave/synth pop band that eventually stripped the medium to its essential elements.

but their later stuff has absolutely no elements of 80's new-wave/synth pop?

i'm a math rock dude, but what are we supposed to do, just like list bands or something?

but their later stuff has absolutely no elements of 80's new-wave/synth pop?

The elements are pretty much stripped away and removed piece by piece, album by album, until there was nothing left of the initial style. My point, though, was that there is nothing "math" or "post" anything about Talk Talk.

lock this thread

not before i address this though:

there is nothing "math" or "post" anything about Talk Talk

it's not exactly jazz, and it's not rock, but it uses traditional instruments. so what is it?

Why slap a label on it? You just described it nicely, what else needs to be done?

http://www.marriedtothesea.com/052906/math-rock.gif

I'm a math-rock guy too

Why slap a label on it?

vs

Talk Talk are not post-rock, damn it, they are an '80s new-wave/synth pop band that eventually stripped the medium to its essential elements.

― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, March 15, 2010 3:32 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i really dislike you, ilxor

simon reynolds came up with a name for the genre, don't use it if you don't want to. but "using rock instrumentation for non-rock purposes, using guitars as facilitators of timbre and textures rather than riffs and power chords" sounds about right to describe the later talk talk records.

i think i'll slap that label on it.

Why slap a label on it?

vs

Talk Talk are not post-rock, damn it, they are an '80s new-wave/synth pop band that eventually stripped the medium to its essential elements.

The latter part is not a label (e.g., post-rock, synth pop, etc.), it is a description of their sound. No different than your saying "it's not exactly jazz, and it's not rock, but it uses traditional instruments."

i really dislike you, ilxor

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like it or not, talk talk is a posterchild for post-rock. but the label is notoriously vague. i dunno if anyone would include disco inferno under the label, but if you do, they're a favorite of mine.

talk talk and bark psychosis, totally

The latter part is not a label (e.g., post-rock, synth pop, etc.), it is a description of their sound. No different than your saying "it's not exactly jazz, and it's not rock, but it uses traditional instruments."

i dislike you, ilxor

I dislike you, ILX.

talk talk is a posterchild for post-rock. but the label is notoriously vague.

Maybe post-rock as it existed in the '90s. The current label seems to be applied more so to bands aping the Mogwai/GYBE/Explosions in the Sky style (instrumental rock, loud/soft dynamics, long tracks, etc.) than the late-era Talk Talk jazz + rock thing.

You're all going to regret this when louis gets here

i dislike you, ilxor

Let's all air our dirty laundry! Awesome!

Anyone else?

how is that dirty laundry?

he wet himself when he read your insult

XD

WHY SLAP A LABEL ON OUR RELATIONSHIP ILXOR? CAN'T WE JUST BE US?

Well considering our "relationship" involves arguing about everything from post-rock to dead slaughtered pigs being recorded as art projects, I think it'd be hard to find a label that fits...

oh you're the one who started the slaughtered pig thread? now i really dislike you

Now we're talking.

ilxor, what you say may be true, but at least some of those bands took some influence from talk talk, so there is a through line.

Talk Talk are not post-rock, damn it, they are an '80s new-wave/synth pop band that eventually stripped the medium to its essential elements.

LOL

Glad I can make u laff cutty.

guys

listen to some hood and peace out

ty

hood is VERY informed by late talk talk and bark psychosis

and english black metal ;)

i'm a math rock dude but i'm not about to post on this thread when there is plenty discussion existing already

― shite new answers (cutty), Monday, March 15, 2010 11:31 AM (55 minutes ago) Bookmark

not before i address this though

any chance to prove ilxor RONG

i want to discuss post-porn

If any band could be considered the OG post-rock band, it is Talk Talk. End of story. The terms was originally coined to describe the music of Bark Psychosis, which is itself almost wholly indebted to Talk Talk's last two records.

thank you, lock thread

I think that ILM is lacking in Post Rock/Math Rock discussion.

This is why I keep coming back, fwiw. The less talk of it, the better.

bought don cab 2 yesterday and was like @-.-@

all I'm saying is don cab made me princess leia

Most the way through writing my Spiderland book for the 33 1/3 series, so this term obviously has some bearing there... honestly I find the phrase "post-rock" helpful in the sense of "music made with rock instrumentation that doesn't sound like rock" - but I don't think that describes Slint at all. The term seems to have been hijacked as a short-hand for bands influenced by Slint, which is unfortunate.

(And on a side note, I've also often heard people credit Slint with influencing math rock, another claim I find a bit specious.)

the slint axis was more of them informing the scene that math rock sprouted from. the louisville-chicago axis of related musicians that arose from the ashes of slint really guided math/post rock through the 90s.

there's a redundant AXIS in there but you get the idea

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This thread is kinda funny. Thanks guys

the slint axis was more of them informing the scene that math rock sprouted from. the louisville-chicago axis of related musicians that arose from the ashes of slint really guided math/post rock through the 90s.

Agree with you on this, cutty. Can you believe it?!

shh

i think that slint's stuff (especially spiderland) has a mathematical beauty to it... there's a precision to it, with nothing more than is necessary, yet it seems to spiral around itself in unworldly ways. but what math-rock became certainly isn't all slint-like. so, while i can see why the term has been applied to slint, i'm not at all sure that slint is what they are really talking about most of the time.

talk talk is definitely post-rock regardless of the fact that the term was coined after the band was no more.

I decided that I prefer my math-rock to not be post-rock. I like intelligent tablature and/or multiple layers of sound (lots going on) put into songs that have good enough vocals and are allowed to clock in as low as 3 mins. I like my math rock as power pop. I like my math rock as alternative. I like my math rock in experimental electro-acoustic indie. I like my math rock in heavy and artsy lo-fi

gotta respect a guy who knows how he likes his math rock

math pop
indie post
electro-acoustic math

Gah, I thought lorax was off limits for being too easy.

intelligent tablature!

Hey everybody, what do y'all think about Sigur Ros? That double-punctuation-titled record isn't even in a real language!

Math Rock? No — ROCK MATH!
math rock!
Math Rock
Math rock, huh?
What Is Math Rock?
Is there any goth math rock?
2007 Math-Rock Releases.
Math-rock's origins
2008 Math Rock
Math Metal , Math Rock , Prog Metal : Search & Destroy/Classic Or Dud?
Blind Idiot God (post-hardcore/math-rock/noise/dub -late '80s/early '90s)

lock this thread

― shite new answers (cutty), Monday, March 15, 2010 10:41 AM (2 weeks ago)

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In all seriousness, Heavy Vegetable's "Frisbee" is a classic "math pop" album. Wall-to-wall earworms, all in nutty time signatures.

Does it mean it's mathematical like Bach? Or 'Scientist Rock' like the Minutemen?

It's algebraic like Newton.

this thread is bonkers

alls I have to say is that everyone should listen to don cab - american don

I've said it many times but Heavy Vegetable and Thingy are both amazing

MBV suggestion dittoed.

that was an ironic suggestion

I've been evangelising Adebisi Shank a lot lately - I wish someone'd put up a well-recorded clip of one of their gigs, cos the stuff that's up doesn't do them justice. I saw them before Christmas supporting 65daysofstatic and Battles, and they were definitely the best band on the night.

an OZ band! why didn't i think of that. totally want to start an OZ mathrock band.

Schibetta Your Life!

Chris Keller 3way!

Sister Peter Marie's Toothbrush!

MBV ditto remains.

ooh, the elusive double ditto!

so go revive one of the hundred MBV threads on this board

i wish MBV had intelligent tablature

yo dooze i wus joking aight dont be so meanto me ok wow jeeze man what the fuck bro

ksh has gone full hardman iirc

1. earnest poster
2. retreat/reflection
3. comes back slightly cynical
4. retreats again
5. comes back "one of us"

i sense a pattern

listening yesterday to: ma cherie for painting - autres directions

sounded pretty cool! i guess they were post-rock? i dunno what you call it. kinda all over the place, but they created some pretty deep sounds. deep textures. or just, you know, impressively textured. nicely layered. on the guitar stuff. the more arty non-guitar stuff is pretty forgettable. shoegeezers would dig the guitar stuff.

the kind of stuff i almost never listen to when i get it in at the store because the album covers are so terrible and 90's. (though this came out in 2002)

I've never heard of them and will check it out, lol at "shoegeezers". Sat in a bar the other day watching 25-28 year olds dancing to the best! 00s R&B and rap and wondered with my fellow "ex-90s indie+postrock+freejazz nerd" dude if these cool dancers would've ever listened to Polvo thru Laddio Bolocko, and if we ourselves would've cared about that stuff if we were three years younger. Like, has this "important in the 90s" aesthetic lost all resonance in the present.

Wish I could've posted this two years ago and wound up all the linear instrumental goths. http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articles/staff_top_10/top-ten-postrock-albums.htm

Practically licked my own ear writing that.

Ma Cherie for Painting - have not seen that name since... whenever their debut came out (13-14 years ago?). I can't say I remember what it sounded like but I do recall playing it a number of times in my days as a record store clerk.

Lol, Sick that article is what finally set me straight on Long Fin Killie! For some reason, prior to reading that, I assumed he was a reggae dude.