I think that ILM is lacking in Post Rock/Math Rock discussion. What bands that fit into these categories do we all like? I have been really into 'Tenebre' 'Don Caballero' and 'Do Make Say Think' recently.
― I think I know my geography, Monday, 15 March 2010 08:38 (fifteen years ago)
I propose a thread to discuss the merits of My Bloody Valentine.
― Man or Austro-Hungarian? (Pillbox), Monday, 15 March 2010 08:48 (fifteen years ago)
loveless was a fine album, the production was mediocre. I still listen to it sometimes.... how is that?
― I think I know my geography, Monday, 15 March 2010 08:51 (fifteen years ago)
plz to use 1 search function
― Man or Austro-Hungarian? (Pillbox), Monday, 15 March 2010 08:57 (fifteen years ago)
well lets make this all relevant then shall we? this thread is now about bands that fall into both of these labels i.e. 'russian circles' and 'And So I Watch You From Afar' anything else that fits this description whether it leans more towards math rock or post rock.
― I think I know my geography, Monday, 15 March 2010 09:11 (fifteen years ago)
I read a review on some post-rock site describing an album as "good old-fashioned post rock, just the way we like it", apparently with no irony. No wonder it's a niche genre...
― Matt #2, Monday, 15 March 2010 10:59 (fifteen years ago)
Tortoise are post-rock.
― anagram, Monday, 15 March 2010 13:10 (fifteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-Nfjg1HU2A
― _Rudipherous_, Monday, 15 March 2010 13:11 (fifteen years ago)
must mention talk talk and slint, which certainly are my introductions to post-rock. and to the fellow who claimed loveless' production was weak: whaaaattt? it's all production.
― zingzing, Monday, 15 March 2010 14:36 (fifteen years ago)
shedding a tear for poor souls who try to start post-rock threads on ilm. i'm not aware of too many math-rock dudes around here, it's definitely underrepresented.
― samosa gibreel, Monday, 15 March 2010 15:28 (fifteen years ago)
i'm a math rock dude but i'm not about to post on this thread when there is plenty discussion existing already
― shite new answers (cutty), Monday, 15 March 2010 15:31 (fifteen years ago)
must mention talk talk
Talk Talk are not post-rock, damn it, they are an '80s new-wave/synth pop band that eventually stripped the medium to its essential elements.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 15 March 2010 15:32 (fifteen years ago)
but their later stuff has absolutely no elements of 80's new-wave/synth pop?
― shite new answers (cutty), Monday, 15 March 2010 15:33 (fifteen years ago)
i'm a math rock dude, but what are we supposed to do, just like list bands or something?
― call all destroyer, Monday, 15 March 2010 15:35 (fifteen years ago)
The elements are pretty much stripped away and removed piece by piece, album by album, until there was nothing left of the initial style. My point, though, was that there is nothing "math" or "post" anything about Talk Talk.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 15 March 2010 15:36 (fifteen years ago)
lock this thread
― shite new answers (cutty), Monday, 15 March 2010 15:41 (fifteen years ago)
not before i address this though:
there is nothing "math" or "post" anything about Talk Talk
it's not exactly jazz, and it's not rock, but it uses traditional instruments. so what is it?
― shite new answers (cutty), Monday, 15 March 2010 15:42 (fifteen years ago)
Why slap a label on it? You just described it nicely, what else needs to be done?
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 15 March 2010 15:43 (fifteen years ago)
http://www.marriedtothesea.com/052906/math-rock.gif
I'm a math-rock guy too
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 15 March 2010 15:44 (fifteen years ago)
Why slap a label on it?
vs
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, March 15, 2010 3:32 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Mr. Que, Monday, 15 March 2010 15:44 (fifteen years ago)
i really dislike you, ilxor
― shite new answers (cutty), Monday, 15 March 2010 15:45 (fifteen years ago)
simon reynolds came up with a name for the genre, don't use it if you don't want to. but "using rock instrumentation for non-rock purposes, using guitars as facilitators of timbre and textures rather than riffs and power chords" sounds about right to describe the later talk talk records.
i think i'll slap that label on it.
― shite new answers (cutty), Monday, 15 March 2010 15:47 (fifteen years ago)
Why slap a label on it?vsTalk Talk are not post-rock, damn it, they are an '80s new-wave/synth pop band that eventually stripped the medium to its essential elements.
The latter part is not a label (e.g., post-rock, synth pop, etc.), it is a description of their sound. No different than your saying "it's not exactly jazz, and it's not rock, but it uses traditional instruments."
??
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 15 March 2010 15:50 (fifteen years ago)
like it or not, talk talk is a posterchild for post-rock. but the label is notoriously vague. i dunno if anyone would include disco inferno under the label, but if you do, they're a favorite of mine.
― zingzing, Monday, 15 March 2010 15:51 (fifteen years ago)
talk talk and bark psychosis, totally
― shite new answers (cutty), Monday, 15 March 2010 15:52 (fifteen years ago)
i dislike you, ilxor
― Mr. Que, Monday, 15 March 2010 15:53 (fifteen years ago)
I dislike you, ILX.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 15 March 2010 15:54 (fifteen years ago)
talk talk is a posterchild for post-rock. but the label is notoriously vague.
Maybe post-rock as it existed in the '90s. The current label seems to be applied more so to bands aping the Mogwai/GYBE/Explosions in the Sky style (instrumental rock, loud/soft dynamics, long tracks, etc.) than the late-era Talk Talk jazz + rock thing.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 15 March 2010 15:58 (fifteen years ago)
You're all going to regret this when louis gets here
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 15 March 2010 15:59 (fifteen years ago)
Let's all air our dirty laundry! Awesome!
Anyone else?
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 15 March 2010 15:59 (fifteen years ago)
how is that dirty laundry?
― Mr. Que, Monday, 15 March 2010 16:00 (fifteen years ago)
he wet himself when he read your insult
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 15 March 2010 16:02 (fifteen years ago)
XD
― shite new answers (cutty), Monday, 15 March 2010 16:03 (fifteen years ago)
WHY SLAP A LABEL ON OUR RELATIONSHIP ILXOR? CAN'T WE JUST BE US?
Well considering our "relationship" involves arguing about everything from post-rock to dead slaughtered pigs being recorded as art projects, I think it'd be hard to find a label that fits...
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 15 March 2010 16:06 (fifteen years ago)
oh you're the one who started the slaughtered pig thread? now i really dislike you
― Mr. Que, Monday, 15 March 2010 16:06 (fifteen years ago)
Now we're talking.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 15 March 2010 16:07 (fifteen years ago)
ilxor, what you say may be true, but at least some of those bands took some influence from talk talk, so there is a through line.
― zingzing, Monday, 15 March 2010 16:08 (fifteen years ago)
LOL
― shite new answers (cutty), Monday, 15 March 2010 16:12 (fifteen years ago)
Glad I can make u laff cutty.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 15 March 2010 16:16 (fifteen years ago)
guys
― ilxor lookin' boy (acoleuthic), Monday, 15 March 2010 16:18 (fifteen years ago)
listen to some hood and peace out
ty
hood is VERY informed by late talk talk and bark psychosis
― shite new answers (cutty), Monday, 15 March 2010 16:22 (fifteen years ago)
and english black metal ;)
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 15 March 2010 16:23 (fifteen years ago)
― shite new answers (cutty), Monday, March 15, 2010 11:31 AM (55 minutes ago) Bookmark
― call all destroyer, Monday, 15 March 2010 16:27 (fifteen years ago)
not before i address this though
― shite new answers (cutty), Monday, 15 March 2010 16:30 (fifteen years ago)
any chance to prove ilxor RONG
i want to discuss post-porn
― CaptainLorax, Monday, 15 March 2010 21:16 (fifteen years ago)
If any band could be considered the OG post-rock band, it is Talk Talk. End of story. The terms was originally coined to describe the music of Bark Psychosis, which is itself almost wholly indebted to Talk Talk's last two records.
― Man or Austro-Hungarian? (Pillbox), Monday, 15 March 2010 21:21 (fifteen years ago)
thank you, lock thread
― shite new answers (cutty), Monday, 15 March 2010 21:59 (fifteen years ago)
I think that ILM is lacking in Post Rock/Math Rock discussion.
This is why I keep coming back, fwiw. The less talk of it, the better.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 15 March 2010 22:01 (fifteen years ago)
bought don cab 2 yesterday and was like @-.-@
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 15 March 2010 22:04 (fifteen years ago)
all I'm saying is don cab made me princess leia
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 15 March 2010 22:05 (fifteen years ago)
Most the way through writing my Spiderland book for the 33 1/3 series, so this term obviously has some bearing there... honestly I find the phrase "post-rock" helpful in the sense of "music made with rock instrumentation that doesn't sound like rock" - but I don't think that describes Slint at all. The term seems to have been hijacked as a short-hand for bands influenced by Slint, which is unfortunate.
(And on a side note, I've also often heard people credit Slint with influencing math rock, another claim I find a bit specious.)
― scott pgwp (pgwp), Monday, 15 March 2010 22:14 (fifteen years ago)
the slint axis was more of them informing the scene that math rock sprouted from. the louisville-chicago axis of related musicians that arose from the ashes of slint really guided math/post rock through the 90s.
― shite new answers (cutty), Monday, 15 March 2010 22:17 (fifteen years ago)
there's a redundant AXIS in there but you get the idea
― shite new answers (cutty), Monday, 15 March 2010 22:18 (fifteen years ago)
biology jazz
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 15 March 2010 22:20 (fifteen years ago)
literature gamelan
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 15 March 2010 22:21 (fifteen years ago)
flavor country
This thread is kinda funny. Thanks guys
― van smack, Monday, 15 March 2010 22:23 (fifteen years ago)
Agree with you on this, cutty. Can you believe it?!
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Monday, 15 March 2010 22:38 (fifteen years ago)
shh
― shite new answers (cutty), Monday, 15 March 2010 23:39 (fifteen years ago)
i think that slint's stuff (especially spiderland) has a mathematical beauty to it... there's a precision to it, with nothing more than is necessary, yet it seems to spiral around itself in unworldly ways. but what math-rock became certainly isn't all slint-like. so, while i can see why the term has been applied to slint, i'm not at all sure that slint is what they are really talking about most of the time.
― zingzing, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 01:07 (fifteen years ago)
talk talk is definitely post-rock regardless of the fact that the term was coined after the band was no more.
― I am become death, Tuesday, 16 March 2010 02:14 (fifteen years ago)
I decided that I prefer my math-rock to not be post-rock. I like intelligent tablature and/or multiple layers of sound (lots going on) put into songs that have good enough vocals and are allowed to clock in as low as 3 mins. I like my math rock as power pop. I like my math rock as alternative. I like my math rock in experimental electro-acoustic indie. I like my math rock in heavy and artsy lo-fi
― CaptainLorax, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 17:02 (fifteen years ago)
gotta respect a guy who knows how he likes his math rock
― iiiijjjj, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 17:13 (fifteen years ago)
math popindie postelectro-acoustic math
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 17:14 (fifteen years ago)
Gah, I thought lorax was off limits for being too easy.
― bamcquern, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 18:03 (fifteen years ago)
intelligent tablature!
― rinse the lemonade (Jordan), Tuesday, 30 March 2010 18:08 (fifteen years ago)
Hey everybody, what do y'all think about Sigur Ros? That double-punctuation-titled record isn't even in a real language!
― ksh, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 18:17 (fifteen years ago)
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― ksh, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 18:29 (fifteen years ago)
lock this thread― shite new answers (cutty), Monday, March 15, 2010 10:41 AM (2 weeks ago)
― shite new answers (cutty), Monday, March 15, 2010 10:41 AM (2 weeks ago)
― ksh, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 18:30 (fifteen years ago)
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9786/rickigervais.jpg
― CaptainLorax, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 20:07 (fifteen years ago)
In all seriousness, Heavy Vegetable's "Frisbee" is a classic "math pop" album. Wall-to-wall earworms, all in nutty time signatures.
― scott pgwp (pgwp), Friday, 2 April 2010 15:24 (fifteen years ago)
Does it mean it's mathematical like Bach? Or 'Scientist Rock' like the Minutemen?
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Friday, 2 April 2010 17:42 (fifteen years ago)
It's algebraic like Newton.
― scott pgwp (pgwp), Friday, 2 April 2010 19:25 (fifteen years ago)
this thread is bonkers
― original bgm, Friday, 2 April 2010 19:53 (fifteen years ago)
alls I have to say is that everyone should listen to don cab - american don
― original bgm, Friday, 2 April 2010 19:54 (fifteen years ago)
I've said it many times but Heavy Vegetable and Thingy are both amazing
― CaptainLorax, Friday, 2 April 2010 23:00 (fifteen years ago)
MBV suggestion dittoed.
― kelpolaris, Saturday, 3 April 2010 02:42 (fifteen years ago)
that was an ironic suggestion
― full government name (cutty), Saturday, 3 April 2010 12:47 (fifteen years ago)
I've been evangelising Adebisi Shank a lot lately - I wish someone'd put up a well-recorded clip of one of their gigs, cos the stuff that's up doesn't do them justice. I saw them before Christmas supporting 65daysofstatic and Battles, and they were definitely the best band on the night.
― Hero Gringo (ecuador_with_a_c), Saturday, 3 April 2010 16:16 (fifteen years ago)
an OZ band! why didn't i think of that. totally want to start an OZ mathrock band.
Schibetta Your Life!
― scott seward, Saturday, 3 April 2010 17:14 (fifteen years ago)
Chris Keller 3way!
― scott seward, Saturday, 3 April 2010 17:16 (fifteen years ago)
Sister Peter Marie's Toothbrush!
― scott seward, Saturday, 3 April 2010 18:23 (fifteen years ago)
MBV ditto remains.
― kelpolaris, Saturday, 3 April 2010 21:16 (fifteen years ago)
ooh, the elusive double ditto!
― iiiijjjj, Saturday, 3 April 2010 21:18 (fifteen years ago)
so go revive one of the hundred MBV threads on this board
― full government name (cutty), Saturday, 3 April 2010 21:35 (fifteen years ago)
i wish MBV had intelligent tablature
― ksh, Saturday, 3 April 2010 21:42 (fifteen years ago)
yo dooze i wus joking aight dont be so meanto me ok wow jeeze man what the fuck bro
― kelpolaris, Saturday, 3 April 2010 23:13 (fifteen years ago)
ksh has gone full hardman iirc
― acoleuthic, Saturday, 3 April 2010 23:14 (fifteen years ago)
1. earnest poster2. retreat/reflection3. comes back slightly cynical4. retreats again5. comes back "one of us"
― Mr. Que, Saturday, 3 April 2010 23:17 (fifteen years ago)
i sense a pattern
― full government name (cutty), Sunday, 4 April 2010 01:39 (fifteen years ago)
listening yesterday to: ma cherie for painting - autres directions
sounded pretty cool! i guess they were post-rock? i dunno what you call it. kinda all over the place, but they created some pretty deep sounds. deep textures. or just, you know, impressively textured. nicely layered. on the guitar stuff. the more arty non-guitar stuff is pretty forgettable. shoegeezers would dig the guitar stuff.
the kind of stuff i almost never listen to when i get it in at the store because the album covers are so terrible and 90's. (though this came out in 2002)
― scott seward, Saturday, 22 September 2012 16:45 (twelve years ago)
I've never heard of them and will check it out, lol at "shoegeezers". Sat in a bar the other day watching 25-28 year olds dancing to the best! 00s R&B and rap and wondered with my fellow "ex-90s indie+postrock+freejazz nerd" dude if these cool dancers would've ever listened to Polvo thru Laddio Bolocko, and if we ourselves would've cared about that stuff if we were three years younger. Like, has this "important in the 90s" aesthetic lost all resonance in the present.
― whiter than... this? (Ówen P.), Saturday, 22 September 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago)
Wish I could've posted this two years ago and wound up all the linear instrumental goths. http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articles/staff_top_10/top-ten-postrock-albums.htm
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 22 September 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago)
Practically licked my own ear writing that.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 22 September 2012 16:59 (twelve years ago)
Ma Cherie for Painting - have not seen that name since... whenever their debut came out (13-14 years ago?). I can't say I remember what it sounded like but I do recall playing it a number of times in my days as a record store clerk.
― scott pgwp (pgwp), Saturday, 22 September 2012 18:52 (twelve years ago)
Lol, Sick that article is what finally set me straight on Long Fin Killie! For some reason, prior to reading that, I assumed he was a reggae dude.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, 23 September 2012 02:14 (twelve years ago)