How long before it's OK to appreciate the music of Limp Bizkit?

I just watched the video for Rollin on youtube expecting to have a good laugh at the early 00's, and instead I found parts of the music kind of charming and interesting. I wonder if enough time has passed to reconsider certain aspects of this band, which, at least for me, seem to symbolize everything that alternative rock music has been trying to shed for the last decade. What was championed in 00's altrock seems like a direct reaction against what Durst and co represented: Authentic rock posturing and adherence to genre (The Strokes, Kings of Leon, White Stripes) in response to Bizkit's rap-rock experiments, emasculated emo (Dashboard Confessional and his ilk) as a reaction to Durst's macho attitude, and earnest, shy rock stars (Death Cab For Cutie, Bright Eyes, Coldplay) in place of Durst's in your face, frat-boy personae. Obviously more factors than just this band had an influence on the style of 00's music, but I think it's safe to say that any artist who valued their credibility avoided anything to do with this band like the plague. Could there have been a worse insult than having your music described as Bizkit-esque in the last decade?

But after years of being altrock's whipping boy, I feel like Durst would actually be really comfortable in the current pop music climate. It's not hard for me to imagine him experimenting with autotune, or Jerk music, or guesting on a song by 3OH!3 or Ke$ha. In the same way, I can easily imagine music critics who champion current pop music finding ways to appreciate aspects of a song like Rollin. Is it conceivable that future bands could be citing nu-metal bands as influences? Appreciating them non-ironically? Is it time for a revisionist take on Limp Bizkit?

No.

Please don't give him any ideas, tia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNQfja4wSGA&fmt=18

Roots of Crabcore Vol. 1

I started this thread It's all about the he said she said POLLshit - Limp Bizkit Singles more or less out of Limp Bizkit appreciation but I think the analysis here is pretty interesting, makeitpop. Particularly the idea that Durst could stage a comeback in the present climate - - I think he would just have to play up his "funny party guy" side, like all the mugging in the "N 2 Gether Now" video, and play down the laughable tough-guy posturing, which unfortunately is kind of the direction the band went in. I mean his "growl" or whatever has basically always sounded ridiculous; he should actually play UP the squeaky-voiced thing (eg "My Way") so as to have a nice clear gimmick. Ke$ha is a good match for him because she has no established cred to lose by linking herself to this aging clown of a previous generation, whereas for anybody with more than one album under their belt, trying to do a track Featuring Fred Durst would really look goofy.

The thing about this band is that they also had those great spooky loopy guitar-scapes laid down by Wes Borland, who I think if he wasn't so saddled to this band would have a much better shot at a comeback - - - but in realms much closer to the "indie" side of things in the scenario you outline. Or maybe I'm just kidding myself here. One thing that I think has aged really badly (iow, is NOT fashionable right now in any context): everything to do with having a "turntable" as an instrument in a rock band. Really shallow window-dressing in an age of impeccable, interesting, and detail-packed hip-hop production.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_at7glObl7o

The thing about this band is that they also had those great spooky loopy guitar-scapes

i would not describe anything about limp bizkit as "spooky." juvenile, stupid, utterly lacking in self-awareness, emptyheaded, vacuous, smarmy, and vacant, maybe. not "spooky."

oh, also tuneless.

Well who was the most indefensible former pop star in 2000? Vanilla Ice? Has he enjoyed any sort of critical rehabilitation, or could we expect him to? Surely Durst is watching that development closely.

Well, hostile teenage mooks who liked Eminem, Bizkit, Korn, etc were pretty scary to me when I was an eleven year old boy.

xxxpost Maybe you have to still be in high school for it to click, but, I dunno, they were at least going for spooky, right? On "Take A Look Around," say. Also "Re-Arranged," but that one bored me even in 1999 so maybe that's a bad example.

Well who was the most indefensible former pop star in 2000? Vanilla Ice? Has he enjoyed any sort of critical rehabilitation, or could we expect him to? Surely Durst is watching that development closely

lol. maybe fred durst is cyber-stalking robert matthew van winkle

He saw the Jedward/Vanilla Ice music video and wants in.

Ice has sabotaged any hope at rehabilitation through a series of transparent cash-in career moves which have probably minted him a fortune but aren't help his rep: various remakes of "Ice Ice Baby" in then-popular rap fusion styles, plus I think a bunch of reality TV overexposure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-LNT1r6GRA

But as far as predictive models go that may still be something. If someone was willing to finance Ice doing ^^^ in 1998, Durst is overdue for at least a shitty, unsuccessful comeback.

former ilx hero/villian Passantino has repped for "N 2 Gether Now" so u are not alone Back Like That (makeitpop) aka the threadstarter

i'd be happy with him -- and creed -- having shitty, unsuccessful comebacks.

(durst, not dom)

And, to take that a step further: Ice was basically trying to sound like Limp Bizkit (or Korn, I guess). So if Durst comes back, he's going to be riding the sound of something choadish of today. This is maybe getting afield of the question of Bizkit's rehabilitation though...

riding the sound of something choadish

Might as well make this the title of the eventual documentary.

Durst would be wise to hire random ILMers to manage him. Surely one of us would figure out the right career move for him once "Kill yourself in a Holiday Inn hotel" is officially ruled out as a career move.

scarlet choadish and the hot-flog wavered daughter

Singles thread reminded me that, yes, "Re-Arranged" is a good song.

limp bizkit feels like a naked aesthetic challenge for ilx

Not really. da croupier will eventually notice this thread.

Revisiting "Rollin'," remembering how kinda really sweet that pre-chorus riff is. Also: weird dub keyboards in the second verse?

I can't completely align with Doctor Casino here, though, because this is the worst rapping ever.

Unless that's part of the appreciation?

Suggested career advice from ILM

1. Find an opportune time to kill yourself
2. Reality show w/ Scott Stapp about trying to rehab both of your careers. show to be pitched as "Making the Band" meets "The Simple Life"
3. Work with Richard X???
4. Make ironic, hipster-friendly sex tape with Britney Spears, accidentally leak it.
5. Call Fox about being guest-judge for "Nu-Metal Week" on America Idol
6. Go country.

How long before it's OK to appreciate the posts of makeitpop?

feel like his new questions should be compiled into a box set tbh

hahaha

Maybe I should clarify. I don't think that Limp Bizkit or Fred Durst have any chance at making a comeback. However, I do think that their music, particularly the big crossover singles could (and possibly should!) be re-evaluated in the context of what's currently going on in pop music. Limp Bizkit's catalogue suffers from the baggage associated with an aesthetic that most everyone concerned with credibility has agreed to hate for the last decade. I'm wondering if that will change with time and once the aesthetic shift overcorrects and swings back in LB's favor.

I mean really- the shrill voice, the simple raps, the pop sensibilities, the silly, in your face personae, Ke$ha could have lived down the hall in Fred Durst's co-ed dorm. Even the production is kind of similar: goofy urban posturing mixed with "edgy" white music (sorry, hate to use that term, but you know) signifiers (LB's metal/K$'s electroclash). Swap out the synths for over-compressed Ross Robinson guitars and you have a Bizkit song in the making.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3Yp_gdAHHE&fmt=18

thanks for posting the youtube, i had no reference point for that song

"edgy" white music (sorry, hate to use that term, but you know)

What, edgy or white?

think she meant "music"

I have heard of this music.

But do you think it's OK to appreciate it?

This is never OK.

Never. I always wanted to shout "POT! KETTLE!" at my radio everytime I heard Fred Durst yell "you better get some better beats and...get some better rhymes".

"I already decided a long time ago that these guys suck and I am unwilling to reconsider my pre-existing worldview."

burden of proof's on them. God knows I'll hear their newest release somewhere or another....

they should cover Too Much Time on My Hands as a comeback single

former ilx hero/villian Passantino has repped for "N 2 Gether Now" so u are not alone Back Like That (makeitpop) aka the threadstarter

― zvookster, Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:04 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

really ethan repped for it way more, one time he dug up like 10 different posts where he talked about how much he loves it.

also Chocolate Starfish & The Hot Dog Flavored Water is dope, dudes, my 85th favorite album of the '00s.

tbh, i think of th bizkit everytime i take hot dogs out of the fridge

Not exactly related, but Durst went to Hunter Huss High School in Gastonia, NC. That is all.

http://imgur.com/AXTQF.jpg

i f/w "my way" and "rollin"

i am just drunk enough to admit that i still kind of love the first album. such a great recorded in our moms basement shitty mess aesthetic! also i think wes borland did some interesting shit tbh. faith cover sucks a ton tho.

Ned, I was referring to "white music". I know I was risking picking a lazy and loaded word, but I can't think of a better description.

Aryan folk?

But after years of being altrock's whipping boy, I feel like Durst would actually be really comfortable in the current pop music climate.

??? Limp Bizkit was nothing if not a direct outgrowth of Alternative Rock proper...directly in the lineage of Faith No More

I love what Reverend Manson said about them. something about them being tuneless apes that called you a "fag" in high school and pretend to be outsiders.

then again some of that is a lil hypocritical on his end, but what the hey

if anything rap/rock/numetal/whatever is the last gasp of 90s popular alternative rock

i regularly play limp bizkit at my parties , my bf and i get into it

i am so out-of-it (almost a decade at this point) that limp bizkit is still my reference point for crappy mainstream mook rock that i barely have heard. i have no idea what has come down the pike since then since i don't listen to the radio or watch mtv or however one might hear contemporary mainstream rock music. but i suppose i've become aware enough to know not to reference this band as a crappy contemporary band anymore.

what is it about fred durst that makes him so repulsive? it has more to do with the visuals than the audio, honestly. it's like visual bad breath; i recoil back from my monitor whenever he juts his head into the frame.

i mean the last time i had cable and watched it was probably around 2001–2002, so it would make sense that this band and korn would be my last reference points for this kind of thing.

this is the boringest limp bizkit thread on ILX. way to go, y'all.

p.s. it is more than ok to appreciate the music of Limp Bizkit

New Bizkit song here:
http://www.limpbizkit.com/whytry/

Straight to the gate in the sky?

http://www.limpbizkit.com/whytry/images/logo.png

sounds like it could've come out ten years ago

man, the tune's not even fun

the biggest impediment to Limp Bizkit having a critical realignment/comeback is their utter mediocrity imo. I think other nu-metal groups (Linkin Park, Disturbed, SOAD, Evanescence, Korn, even Staind) stand a better shot in a realigned musical climate. Actually, new Deftones album just leaked, and there's a new Papa Roach coming out this year, so many nu-metal will have a new shot at the limelight. I'd be most interested in a new Linkin Park album.

many=maybe

i'm down w/ Staind circa 2000-2003 & the first Evanescence record, along w/ some singles by other nu-metal acts. probably more stuff too that's not coming to mind atm

if Slipknot counts, Subliminal Verses is good

Linkin Park would've always been better without the lame rapping dude (who got pushed into the background in recent years). More Chester, less of that guy.

http://www.theprp.com/2010/05/11/news/limp-bizkit-add-ice-cube-method-man-and-redman-to-summer-tour-perform-on-the-tonight-show/

Oh, I'm just here for the opening act...

1001 Albums You Have To Hear Before You Die has both a Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park album in there.

just saying.

My thoughts on the return of Limp Bizkit.

Hahhahahhahaha "Introbra" and "Outrobra". Of course I guess ol' Freddie is beating critics to the punch by naming a track "Douchebag".

there was another thread already going about their return, but whatever. i just thought i'd share the cover-art for the new album. it's pretty hilarious.

http://www.limpbizkit.com/whytry/images/wallpapers/800x600.jpg

it makes me want to like them. someone in the band definitely has a sense of humour.

Art by Frank Ricotta.

Their DJ defined "inessential."

^ I love this.

the biggest impediment to Limp Bizkit having a critical realignment/comeback is their utter mediocrity imo. I think other nu-metal groups (Linkin Park, Disturbed, SOAD, Evanescence, Korn, even Staind) stand a better shot in a realigned musical climate. Actually, new Deftones album just leaked, and there's a new Papa Roach coming out this year, so many nu-metal will have a new shot at the limelight. I'd be most interested in a new Linkin Park album.

― Mordy, Sunday, May 2, 2010 12:31 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

can't agree with this at all, most of those bands are completely beyond any kind of critical reappraisal (exceptions being SOAD, who were always pretty well regarded among critics, and KoRn, whose early stuff could get grudging props for being ahead of their time but have released like 8 albums nobody cares about since then and will never make a good song again). the Bizkit have lolz and fun and camp on their side, and could be pretty easily be retroactively reclaimed as one of the good dumb fun acts of their era alongside, like, that Andrew W.K. album on all the end-of-decade lists.

Deftones totally already OK to like along with SOAD, but c'mon, Papa Roach and the Disturbed are never going to get a coolness pass.

Linkin Park also kind of got a pass by being a nu-metal boyband

deftones are totally ok to like because they are a pretty fantastic band that has made some great records

i think bizkit are already aware of their camp factor are are definitely parading it around this record, but just because they're campy now doesn't mean that they always were. i'm fairly certain they were having "fun" on chocolate starfish but they were also far too earnest about that material for it to be reappraised as camp or kitsch. there's no knowing sort of wink or nudge in their older music, as far as i can tell, which really prevents it from being reappraised as easily as you might think.

and yeah, it's sad that deftones got lumped in with all that garbage. especially when there's very little common ground between them and say a bizkit or a linkin park.

Evanescence also got something of a pass for having a hott female singer who was into Christina Aguilera

Despite Fred Durst's vocal opposition to Bush's policies, I don't feel a reappraisal can happen without GWB being "cool" again, too.

Art by Frank Ricotta.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, May 12, 2010 4:15 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

That Ricotta has gone way past its expiration date.

How long before it's OK to appreciate the music of Limp Bizkit?

ffs never. it will never be "ok" to appreciate the "music" of limp bizkit.

Evanescence also got something of a pass for having a hott female singer

You might want to check with an eye doctor, I've heard vision can get pretty bad around your age...

I could see limp bizkit becoming a kind of RickRoll of the 2020s where someone sends you a minority-report style virtual present (because in the future all gifts will be virtual and controlled by gestures) and you open it by flicking a thumb and surprise it is 'i did it all for the nookie' blasting out of a virtual raping teddy bear.

please don't let the teddy bear rape me in the future

"a virtual raping teddy bear"

Awesome.

lol

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PoRm-D2BtRc/SezYPLBEfbI/AAAAAAAAAT8/-m-gg4XgmGU/s400/evil_teddy_bear.jpg
DID IT ALL FOR THE NOOKIE

Teddy Rapespin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1Q2PeauOqo

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― Thierry Ennui (Noodle Vague), Thursday, March 18, 2010

Makeitpop is/was cool.

Durst says the band is over. What happened to his film career? Was all that buzz, and a Fincher connection (?) some sort of meta prank? He was being made out to be the next Bobcat Goldthwait, but then ... nada.

lots of NMH love here too.