Once the Inevitable 90s Revival occurs which genre will be the most influetial or popular?

As we have seen with the 80's revival not all genres came back in fashion (e.g. pop metal). I wonder which genres from the 90s will be popular. I think that 90s indie guitar music will be the most popular.

Maple Leaf Rag

late-90s Mook Rap-Rock. hell, this almost sounds contemporary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9Jp3w8Z10s

just add a little autotune

"I think that 90s indie guitar music will be the most popular."

I can't wait!!!

A word of warning:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/mar/18/alphabeat-la-roux-goldfrapp-90s-revival

there was so much anti-eighties rhetoric in the nineties, iirc, that its revival seemed unlikely. (i guess the 90s was my first go-round as a person as well: i hadn't figured out how these things work.) there doesn't seem to be as radical a disjuncture between the nineties and now, though, not by comparison.

reivials of daft punk, massive attack, portishead, nirvana -- sure not to blow anyone's mind.

there was so much anti-eighties rhetoric in the nineties, iirc, that its revival seemed unlikely. (i guess the 90s was my first go-round as a person as well: i hadn't figured out how these things work.) there doesn't seem to be as radical a disjuncture between the nineties and now, though, not by comparison.

reivials of daft punk, massive attack, portishead, nirvana -- sure not to blow anyone's mind.

I see what you're saying but I really have a hard time seeing early rave coming back into style.

i thought it already had?!

Bigger beat.

Lo-fi supersaw ish.

Indie bands will have breakbeats not disco beats.

90s revivalism pretty big among UK wtfeverstep merchants, whether it's Zomby rave nostalgia, Joker and Ikonika sampling old MegaDrive games, Subeena's general Warpiness... whether this actually informs any new UK pop idk

"guys guys guys there is SO MUCH incredible rock from the 90's that far outstrips what came before. fair enough if you prefer earlier stuff, but for me the watershed came around the time of Talk Talk's fruition. after that, bands realised that any sound was within their grasp, any texture was possible, and they began to reach higher and higher within the parameters of 'rock'. that comment about 'bush' being a typical 90's rock group just saddens me. on the one hand we had shoegaze, on the other post-rock, on the other we had stuff like Blur and Spiritualized and The Boo Radleys and SFA, then we had old-time rockers gone all weird and modern, like Soundgarden (who kicked more ass than just about every previous heavy-metal band I've heard, no really), we had sonic youth's 'washing machine' which is clearly a lot better than 'daydream nation' (no, it is), we had Beck, we had The Boredoms (I mean SRSLY), we had Levitation, we had Earth, Neurosis, Godflesh, and other great experimental metal bands, then we had the Flaming Lips (their 90's albums are GREAT), we had MERCURY FUCKING REV (whose first two albums do 'noise-pop' better than ANYONE), we had the rise and rise of Foetus ('Flow' is IMO a lot better than the earlier 'Nail'), we had Lusk, we had ORBITAL who weren't really rock but FUCK WE HAD ORBITAL ORBITAL ORBITAL and a load of other SUPREME electronic artists (Plaid, Aphex Twin etc), then we had Radiohead (I don't care what you say, they are revered for a fucking good reason), we had Scott Walker's 'Tilt' to keep us on our toes, we had Six By Seven, The Beta Band...."

i thought it already had?!

You mean with the Klaxons. I never really bought the idea that they were nu-rave or whatever it's called.

It'll've to be genres that were innovative to some extent but that took a different route from what they might've - so maybe shoegaze, drum&bass, or whatever genre Jane's Addiction were. No point reviving britpop cos you couldn't do anything with it, you might as well just rerelease Parklife.

It'll've to be genres that were innovative to some extent but that took a different route from what they might've - so maybe shoegaze, drum&bass, or whatever genre Jane's Addiction were. No point reviving britpop cos you couldn't do anything with it, you might as well just rerelease Parklife.

OTM. What would also be nice would be combining the best of the 80s revival with 90s revival.

revivals of daft punk, massive attack, portishead, nirvana -- sure not to blow anyone's mind.

xpost - especially since they all put out critically acclaimed records in the past year

seems like alot of 00s UK Indie was doing that, sampling specific riffs/sounds from 80s/90s US Alternative guitar bands.

The nineties' collective memory largely saw the eighties as a monstrous joke. Like Kylie'n'Jason in a Sigue Sigue Sputnik video piercing each others ears with paperclips while their shellsuits combust to the sound of an irritating slap-bass section. And that's pretty much how I, as a young lad in the '90s, saw them too - "The decade fashion forgot" etc. But by 2001 there wasn't anything trendier than eyeliner, 808s and synthetic fabrics.

I'm sure in the eighties, people managed to draw from an unlimited source of humour based around people wearing bell-bottom jeans. By the '90s, everyone and their Mum was all "Flares are back, y'know, what's the world coming to?".

Further into the 00's the eighties revival was less about tongue-in-cheek fads and more about revisiting things that had been wiped from the consciousness of the general public in the 90s, i.e. post-punk, electro etc. A bit like having a good poke around the attic and finding stuff you'd completely forgotten you had.

The '90s didn't really have enough wacky fashion styles to laugh at, but certain things are definitely being come-round to. To take a random example - Grunge - which was even at the time derided by a Radio 1 DJ as being "the sound of someone whimpering in a chair and then screaming like he's been hit over the head with a saucepan" - I don't think people these days would be so critical about the best of it. Definitely the post-grunge barrel-scraping that went on after Kurt's death didn't help between then and now, but for every Silverchair there was an Alice In Chains, for every Puddle Of Mudd there was a Soundgarden.

Britpop's due a reassessment. I'll always stand up for it, despite having been told (mostly by music critics 10+ years older than me) that Britpop was nothing but a derivative, retrospective, rockist, media-manufactured, even racist movement that did nothing for music. Personally, I think this is the biggest load of bullshit. Sure you had a few uninspired bandwagon jumpers (like with every genre), and yes as a scene it was largely a media fabrication (like every genre). But as Tom Ewing says in his article, the fact Oasis (not my favourite band but w/e) sounded a bit like Quo/Beatles/TRex didn't really matter to me or any of the kids in our school at the time. As for accusations of racism, I'm not even going to start.

Something I think will definitely see a revival, particularly among the student crowd, will be a major rediscovering of the hiphop and r'n'b anthems that made it big in the 90s. In a way some of these (Boom Shake The Room, Jump Around) never left the student dancefloor. But add a bit of K7, Arrested Development, Young Disciples, Shanice, Fugees, Jade, Apache Indian etc and you've got a party that will appeal to pretty much anyone these days.

The nineties' collective memory largely saw the eighties as a monstrous joke.

exactly -- and that never happened to the during the noughties. i don't think, anyway. trousers got tighter but there's no noughties equivalent to "the wedding singer" if you get me.

I'd say that there's already a hipster revival of the aforementioned and this has been discussed on another thread, but all this Discovery / JJno2 / Dirty Projectors stuff sounds like indie kids trying to find something else to boost their sound without relying on the typical electro tropes and instead choosing New Jack Swing or something.

history mayne - exactly, as i said, the eighties had so much to take the mick out of them, they made the 90s look very sober. that said, i'm sure there are already myriad Madchester, Britpop and Grunge spoofs out there.

there are. kasabian. kaiser chiefs. the worst parts of britpop never died, sadly.
then your nickelbacks and your daughtrys on the grunge side.
the xx are basically trip hop aren't they?

then your nickelbacks and your daughtrys on the grunge side.

But they really aren't though. Ugh.

the two other comparisons are just as off-base

dubstep is basically trip hop tho isn't it?

Yeah, I wonder if trip-hop ever really went away. In any case, it's definitely back.

K7 - never heard of them
Arrested Development - absolutely awful, awful band. hated them at the time. still hate them.
Young Disciples - falls under the "music you are ashamed to have purchased" thread. terrible.
Shanice - never heard of them
Fugees - ugh no
Jade, Apache Indian - never heard of either

that is the most random, non-representative sampling I have ever seen of 90s hip-hop/r&b are u british or something

Maybe we'll see kids doing moody sample collage like DJ Shadow again, except (!) using old DJ Shadow records for the samples.

kaiser chiefs are kind of britpop (or they were last i heard). they're also kind of 2005.

K7 - never heard of them

come baby come baby baby come come

you gotta give me lovin' and you gotta give me some

i thought they were the tampon ladies?

come baby come baby baby come come

hahaha oh right THAT song. ugh

I dunno, industrial shock rock type stuff, maybe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnaRK8e_Ls0

drrrooppp wiiiinddd!

always feel like sampledelica (trip hop up to like french filter disco) was the defining sound of the 90's, sure it was a nostalgic decade, esp for the seventies, but the particular refractions of its influences has a very definite feel and aesthetic

there was so much anti-eighties rhetoric in the nineties, iirc, that its revival seemed unlikely. (i guess the 90s was my first go-round as a person as well: i hadn't figured out how these things work.) there doesn't seem to be as radical a disjuncture between the nineties and now, though, not by comparison.

reivials of daft punk, massive attack, portishead, nirvana -- sure not to blow anyone's mind.

― lipster grifter (history mayne), Friday, 19 March 2010 15:14 (2 hours ago) Bookmark

yeah, i remember people being outraged by the idea of an 80s revival. zoot woman did an interview around 2001 where the journo was all like "but... thatcher and yuppies and blah blah blah... think of the children"

90s revivalism pretty big among UK wtfeverstep merchants, whether it's Zomby rave nostalgia, Joker and Ikonika sampling old MegaDrive games, Subeena's general Warpiness... whether this actually informs any new UK pop idk

― mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 19 March 2010 15:22 (2 hours ago) Bookmark

yeah, was just about to post something along these lines. i guess it started with burial bringing back the 2step beats.

Fugees - ugh no

s fucking b (for the rest of the post too)

Reagan/Thatcher actually looking pretty good next to their 00s revival counterparts.

A word of warning:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/mar/18/alphabeat-la-roux-goldfrapp-90s-revival

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 19 March 2010 15:06 (3 hours ago) Bookmark

whoever this "tom ewing" guy is, he obviously knows shit all about music.

*loud joyful bar banter suddenly stops, icy glares from everyone at "max arrrrgh"*

Please no Arrested Development. They seem like the exact thing that doesn't get revived; a watered down version of Native Tongues rap, which I guess had too many reference to doo-doo to get a cross-the-board foist.

and running through it were the huge, sad keyboard sounds of 90s trance records – great glass spears of melancholy sending me back to a time I never realised I could miss

trance could be a key sign of a return of the repressed uk 90s, has the requisite emotional directness at the expense of tastefulness that revivalists like to fuck with oh so playfully

not the same with scandinavians doing it (even silent shout a bit i guess)

ardkore revival was always easier cos it was fairly clownish to begin with

whoever this "tom ewing" guy is, he obviously knows shit all about music.

Send in a clown -- don't bother, one's here.

the answer o the question is..... swing revival

We will see the true dawn of the Alexvanderpoolera
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mYA0gir4PA

I could totally see more R&B vocal groups.

lol u kno i <3 ewing rly.

trance and garage is where it's at on the retro tip, super OBVS

I think dubstep has as much potential to branch into an IDM revival as it does a trip-hop revival.

Yeah, trance is gonna make it's way into pop music.

Somehow...

Wasn't talking in extremes, so no "Simon Cowell" shit either.

I guess if it's all around you, I can see why it can get a bit too much. I mean, I genuinely believe bands like Animal Collective and even Dirty Projectors, while intrinscially linked with the bohohipster scenes they've helped to spawn, do have genuine musical vision and a unique take on things. That said, for every good post-freakfolk, post-noise, post-indie band, you do admittedly have about 10 more hopeless mimics. It's the same thing I saw happening in the IDM scene back in 2001 - you had Aphex and Plaid and Autechre, then you had a thousand bandwagon jumpers all doing the glitch or drill'n'bass or Ae-style Max/MSP jams, but doing very little else that was new. Eventually it just became a caricature; a lame soapbox for socially maladjusted dorks to play wanky arrhythmical drum patterns over boring melodies.

then again, like sonny j (emis attempt at launching upbeat sample based dance pop a few years ago that fell flat on its arse), you could just "recreate" the samples

― mark e, Monday, 22 March 2010 10:05

forgot all about them, what's the story here re: them recreating samples? who did they re-do?

Do you really want everyone to start singing and playing according to procedure, like some Simon Cowell shit?

That might work out, if the chord changes and arrangements are interesting enough (as in, lots of different chords and keys throughout the song, and a lot of interesting stereo effects and dynamic/mood changes)

key changes? how much of the stuff you listen to has fuckin key changes mid song?

bear in mind that Geir does not actually know what chords or key changes are

Haha. I get the feeling there's an epic set of rules about to drop

for rules read deranged bullshit

that bears little to no relation to the actual structural and formal qualities of music

I'm fairly sure what happened here was that Geir had some music teacher back in the day who continuously outlined the reasons he considered pop to be inferior to classical music*, and Geir has since become obsessed with elevating pop by making it conform to "classical" formal standards, hence all this "it needs x number of chords and y number of key changes" nonsense.

*Of course most music teachers of this stripe consider the Beatles to be the exception to this particular rule, eg banging on about the string arrangements on Eleanor Rigby at nauseum.

forgot all about them, what's the story here re: them recreating samples? who did they re-do?

if you look through the credits there is a note re the sample recreation service that was used to put together various tracks.

think this is a fairly well used option these days to make things sound like a sample, but providing a more cost effective solution to get the desired results

I thought the main reason people recreate samples is that it is less costly than actual sampling, since you only have to pay for the rights to the composition, not the recording?

Though I guess sometimes they do it because the original recording artist refuses to give the rights to sample the recording, but the rights to the composition are still available.

some music teacher back in the day who continuously outlined the reasons he considered pop to be inferior to classical music

cf. Roger Scruton analysing and dismissing "Losing My Religion" because it doesn't have any inverted triads, roffle roffle.

Which is lamest:

Magic Eye Posters vs "Keep Calm And Carry On"

Don't remember the BNP co-opting Magic Eye posters so

"Keep Calm And Carry On" = BNP????

Hopefully this shit /= a link hxxp://bnp.org.uk/tag/keep-calm-and-carry-on-poster

would a gabba revival be even at all possible, like, ever?

i don't think i've ever met some1 who likes gabba

never went to holland circa 1995 then i suppose...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_uD6E-GWb_RM/RpTaD8MaC6I/AAAAAAAAAxk/CZ5A0ZK3OZE/s320/ABBA+gabba.jpg

really underrated IMO

dubstep is basically trip hop tho isn't it?

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― nakhchivan, Friday, March 19, 2010 5:41 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark

Jungle/DnB

Hip-hop currently has both anyway. What is needed now is for the stuff performed by the singers to sound less like Aretha Franklin and more like The Beatles.

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― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:40 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark

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dubstep's now become such a diverse genre, going from the Caspa & Rusko school of jump-up in-yer-face bosh, to Joker's more hiphop-influenced purple sound, then some more IDM-influenced stuff which doesn't really incorporate much dub nor step but is still dubstep, and then yeah the more trip hoppy stuff.

i find it almost impossible to keep up, but that's because these days if it plays at 140bpm and has a modicum of bass, then it seems to fit under dubstep.

while geir's comment above is total nonsense, it did pop into my head while i was cycling last ngiht for some reason, and i started wondering what a psychedelic r'n'b music might sound like. not being an expert on modern r'n'b the closest thing i could think of was "The Love Below" or something by Erykah Badu, but it would be interesting to hear someone really pushing things out in the weird stakes or doing bizarre concept albums. Possibly was something done in the seventies by Parliament or Marvin or Stevie (secret life of plants?) and also Vahid's Rough Guide To Hippie Soul (which I enjoy greatly, still).

Yeah kinda nice it didnt go all wobble like dnb went all hoover

if you look through the credits there is a note re the sample recreation service that was used to put together various tracks.

http://www.fretbase.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/23093.jpg

i don't think i've ever met some1 who likes gabba

I used to like it when I was 15.

what a psychedelic r'n'b music might sound like. not being an expert on modern r'n'b the closest thing i could think of was "The Love Below" or something by Erykah Badu, but it would be interesting to hear someone really pushing things out in the weird stakes or doing bizarre concept albums.

There was a thread about this a while ago:

itt: kinda out there, maybe kinda experimental, maybe kinda pretentious modern r&b

My personal recommendation: The World Has Made Me the Man of My Dreams by Meshell Ndegeocello. It's a dope album, and "psychedelic rnb" would be a pretty good description for its content.

i don't think i've ever met some1 who likes gabba

I used to like it when I was 15.

― Tuomas, Friday, 9 April 2010 22:42 (Yesterday) Bookmark

Josh Wink was a step up for you then ;)

More shoegaze would be nice. Never got it's day (aside from MBV).

Now that we're pretty well into the 90s revival, I'm working on a mixtape and I'm hunting for a few more 90s throwback tracks that sound like Nika (Zola Jesus) + Rory's Do You Wanna Be My Baby. Obviously I'm gonna use some Pictureplane, Elite Gymnastics, Korallreven, Keep Shelly in Athens, maybe a little jj or Onra. But I'm looking for something that sounds a little more lo-fi and homemade, like the feel of the Nika+Rory track above -- camped out in the bedroom trying to do Nellee Hooper's Soul II Soul productions. Maria Minerva is closing to what I'm getting at but she doesn't sound like she wants to be pop enough. Anyone found anything like this out there on myspace or bandcamp or whatever? Recommendations appreciated.

Not sure I know how to do embedding so here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW_cUJf2pOM

Are we? I'm ready for punk-sensibilities-meets-bittersweet-melodic song craft of the best 90s guitar rock/pop to rule again and that may be the only style I'm looking for so I'll take your word for it otherwise.

Has anyone done the 90s Lounge/Exotica thing yet?

I mean I enjoy other genres but barely any of them are my thing as far as a 90s sound goes. I'm also not sure where I'm going with any of this besides just being compelled to comment after "90s revival" is mentioned anywhere.

wasn't that stuff so inherently retro that any revival of that be seen more as i dunno a '60s thing? (xpost)

That means we are running out of past!

Can't tell if Evan is referring to stuff like "Everlong" or stuff like "Allison Road." The latter maybe has a more direct connection back to the 60s....

Ha, neither I'm talking about what's mostly indie stuff, early/mid nineties era. And the 60s comment seems to be referring to the Lounge mentioned.

This is the most straight up I-can-barely-tell-this-actually-isn't-from-the-90s thing I've heard in a long time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCC9thDM53o

His best Dave Grohl impression.

i'd been predicting a wayne's world revival for a long time but it so far hasn't really happened.
no boisterous renditions of bohemian rhapsody in cars, no alice cooper history lessons.

i was schrwong.

Epic pail.

i dunno, that emporers thing sounds post-90s to me.. the production is a dead giveaway IMO.

as opposed to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeaT-v1T7kI

there's a lot of weirdness/subtlties/jokeyness/tongue-in-cheek/irony and straight-up creativity in actual 80s and 90's music that is completely missing from pretty much everything being labelled "80s revival" or "90s revival" .. this is the element from 80s/90s that i wish would return more than any other.

you should check out total slacker

i've seen them live.. havent heard their recordings tho.

not bad imo

The Emperors is not the Black Wizards