Paul's Boutique vs Abbey Road

Hmmm... the Egg Man versus the Sun King.

Love Abbey Road to death, heard Paul's once.

I actually just decided to delete Paul's Boutique out of my iTunes this weekend. I hadn't listened to it in a few years and couldn't really even picture myself listening to it in the near future.

Paul's Boutique is like top 10 of all time for me. Kind of shocked to hear this!

paul's boutique is my favourite beastie boys album. it totally blew me away when i first heard it. I just like abbey road. i am 25.

Yeah, it's a challopy position I know. I'm not saying I don't respect it as an album a masterpiece, but at the same time for entirely personal reasons it's hard for me to associate it with anything other than driving around and getting stoned in high school, which isn't where I'm at right now.

Oh yes, I'm 31.

Just for "Because" alone.

...and I was thinking about Abbey Road just yesterday while listening to Sabbath.

voted paul's, because its awesome, and an album i've listened to long enough and often enough that i know it forwards, backwards, inside out... i also heard it early enough in my life that i've had that weird relationship with a lot of its samples that you mention above - similarly, when i first heard the superfly album, i had plenty of those sampling-induced 'deja vu' moments.

Paul's Boutique tho, I think is more fun to sing along to, and when I first saw this poll I thought it would be a much tougher choice. Best funny/badass mishmash of samples on an album I have ever heard.

The Eagle's sample alone is worth price of admission.

See, in pretty much every case when I listen to Paul's Boutique I can't help but hearing the sample source and I'm thefor the majority of sample-based music though, so I'm not sure what I'm even on about.

Paul's boutique is amazing, a landmark record, and something of a "rite of passage" kinda album for me (I am 36) but come on... THE BEATLES

Paul's, absolutely no contest. (35)

whoops.

... can't help but hearing the sample source and thinking "why am I not listening to Isley Brothers or whatever?" And it's not like I even knew who the Isley's were when I first heard Paul's Boutique - it has very much served, and continues to serve, as a primer to me for shit I need to hear. And it's not like I feel the same way for the majority of sample-based music though, so I'm not sure what I'm even on about.

speaking of OG sample sources, heard this one for the first time recently:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNuCYzqiuBk

Abbey Road is fucking shit. Totally fucking unlistenable.

The other is pretty dope, and has Shake Yr Rump.

re: samples

yeah, sample deja vu with Paul's is pretty much unavoidable when it's like Superfly or Funky 4+1 or Lightnin Rod or "AJ Scratch" or whatev; but with something as embedded in the very fabric of HUMANITY like the BEATLES it seems almost like i'm blaspheming or something. It's like not being able to hear "Stand By Me" without thinking of Sean Kingston or something

It's a close call, but I think Paul's Boutique for me. (46)

I heard Paul's Boutique way before I heard Abbey Road (or lots of the other records sampled) all the way through so hearing the source of those samples kind of messed with my head - same way when I first heard Pink Flag and couldn't figure out how Wire was covering REM on a record that had come out ten years earlier.

Paul's is probably one of my top ten favorite records (35).

oh and i'm 22.

Like License To Ill was the first album I ever bought, but I can still hear "When The Levee Breaks" and not go, "BECCCCCAAAAAAUSSSE"

but i def heard Paul's before Abbey Road

It's like not being able to hear "Stand By Me" without thinking of Sean Kingston or something

I think I've just started to get over my umbrage at that sample : )

Heard Abbey Road 1st, didn't hear much worth remembering (Come Together and the George songs are cool, I guess.)

Dude.

paul's boutique--huge beatles fan here and lots of good individual songs on abbey road, but album for album, paul's

Paul's was my #1 album of the year it came out, though I overrated it then; only things I really still love on it are "Shake Your Rump," "To All The Girls," and (especially) "A Year And A Day." Hard for me to argue those add up to more than, say, "Come Together," "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" (the root of "Maggot Brain"!) and, uh, "Something" or "Here Comes The Sun" or whatever. But I don't think I've ever played Abbey Road for pleasure, not even once, and never even owned a copy (the Beatles were my older brother's music), so I'm voting the Beasties. And oh yeah, I'm pushing 50.

"I Want You (She's So Heavy)" (the root of "Maggot Brain"!)

Glad to know I'm not the only one who's had this thought! (Although it really shouldn't surprise me that anyone else put it together.)

i was surprised when i found out that there were people in the world who like paul's boutique more than check your head

Paul's, absolutely no contest. (35)

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My soul brother.

Glad to know I'm not the only one who's had this thought! (Although it really shouldn't surprise me that anyone else put it together.)

chord progressions are very similar

i was surprised when i found out that there were people in the world who like paul's boutique more than check your head

um isn't this everybody

xp: I don't think the chord progressions are similar so much as the triplet-time guitar arpeggios that play them

McCartney should open a record store specializing in the albums the Beasties sampled and call it Paul's Boutique.

check your head was one of THE stonerskater albums of its time. lots of people were into it who never even heard paul's.
Abbey has some really good tunes, but overall it's Paul's (i'm 31)

I like Check Your Head way more than Paul's Boutique.

also no fucking way can an album with the song "maxwell's silver hammer" beat paul's boutique

Since I was young enough to remember, lots of people bought PB after Check Yr Head. The Beasties became college radio cool on the back of an okay album not nearly as good as the albums released before and after it.

xp Well, given that Eddie Hazel wound up covering "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" on a solo album, it's pretty obvious he liked the song a lot.

Check Your Head is when I stopped liking the Beasties, pretty much.

i was surprised when i found out that there were people in the world who like paul's boutique more than check your head

um isn't this everybody

― I won't vote for you unless you acknowledge my magic pony (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, April 19, 2010 12:11 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

i think it's because paul's boutique is more influential, or came first maybe? i've only ever heard internet ppl talk about 'paul's boutique is the best beastie boys album.' i guess people i know irl are just outliers and weirdos.

paul's came out when i was religiously watching yo mtv raps all the time, and "shake your rump" got a decent amount of play (though i always wonder if that was cuz fab 5 freddy was probably OG NYC hip hop/art scene bros with them)...but overall the general sense among hip hop fans was that they were on some weird shit and it wasn't as hype as licensed to ill

PB was a commercial bomb compared to its predecessor (and successors – SUCKcessors too).

but with something as embedded in the very fabric of HUMANITY like the BEATLES it seems almost like i'm blaspheming or something.

yeah but its not like the opening chord of 'help!' is it? even the beatles had some Deep Album Cuts

oh yeah it was a clear "failure" after License to Ill. came out while I was still in high school and didn't attract much attention (I loved the videos, personally, especially the Hey Ladies one), but yeah I guess most of my friends didn't pay attention to it until after Check You Head came out.

I remember that my friends all started listening to PB around the same time that Ill Communication came out and I got them mixed up all the time because it was this sudden onslaught of "new" Beastie material.

PB-CYH-ILLCOMMS = infallible trilogy for me btw

funny thing is that PB eventually sold as much as CYH (both are currently 2x platinum), but PB took 6 years to hit a million sold where CYH only took a year.

AR is far from my favorite Beatles album/era, but I'm so ambivalent bordering on completely fucking sick of the Beasties that I can't imagine me wanting to vote for PB even if I'd ever sat down and listened to it in full.

are these mutually exclusive

cuz the "it just HAPPENS, totally coincidentally, that all the music I hate is associated with black people" is some weak sauce as we all know

Sometimes weak sauce is all you need.

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nice

quality!

Geir, I have to admire that even when you get mad, you never attack anyone back.

^This.

for him to attack someone it would require him to acknowledge that there were other people posting in the thread and that his contributions were part of a discussion.

dammit i hadn't looked at this thread since last week and assumed there were a bunch of new posts about the thread topic but instead it's still friggin Geir talk. only myself to blame, i guess.

ja Geir is a monologist

Geir, I have to admire that even when you get mad, you never attack anyone back.

― Pete Scholtes, Monday, April 26, 2010 7:18 AM Bookmark

he told me to fuck off once. tbf, I was being a dick.

Balls Pootique.

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otm

Geir called me the n-word on the set of Do the Right Thing...

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

cuz the "it just HAPPENS, totally coincidentally, that all the music I hate is associated with black people" is some weak sauce as we all know

Last I checked, Arnold Schönberg, Alban Berg, Igor Stravinsky, John Cage and all most black/death metal musicians were all white...

I bet Geir's fridge has nothing in it but bread, mayonnaise and wet notebook paper.

also the frozen head of James Brown

Funnily enough, "Bread, Mayonnaise, Wet Notebook Paper and the Frozen Head of James Brown" was a late-period John Cage piece.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_iKgYzvi5tus/S1ixE7yAwyI/AAAAAAAAAL4/lItBziZgMYI/s400/VINYL+12

GRIEG being dead we may speak of him and his art.
Grieg being dead we can talk about whether he was any good or not.
Grieg being with Ibsen, Björnson, Lief Ericson and the rest,
Grieg being dead does not care a hell’s hoot what we say.

Morning, Spring, Anitra’s Dance,
He dreams them at the doors of new stars.

geir would you like black metal more if it was called white metal

after all loads of it is all about the superiority of european culture, no blues/country/American influences, loads of classical hallmarks, tons of chords

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

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lurkers

geir would you like black metal more if it was called white metal

I don't exactly love white noise...

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:VZtedPuHwXYwHM:http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_uB-0D-gV8mY/SXv4FvLt8NI/AAAAAAAAS6Q/AQ-49rMGjEo/s400/xtc

^^^you love it

fuck you, dorks.

Actually, "White Music" is probably the XTC album I like least, apart from "Go 2".....

go +

hahahahahahaaaaa

lurkers

― the sound of a norwegian guy being wrong (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:03 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark

66 separate posters in thread vs. 133 votes cast. If almost everybody voted twice, then maybe not so many lurkers.

why would anybody vote twice?

Oh, I forgot it was a poll.

Actually, "White Music" is probably the XTC album I like least, apart from "Go 2".....

― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:15 PM (2 days ago)

That's crazy talk Geir. White Music is so much better than Oranges & lemons, Mummer, Big Express, Wasp Star, English Settlement and Go 2.

The thing I've never really understand is how you have such a strong dislike for funk but you seem to like George Clinton? This is a genuine question, how does he pass your rhythm verses Melody theory?

I dislike James Brown more than I dislike funk. Clinton is sometimes very unmelodic, sometimes not. Anyway, at least he did a lot of nice synth pioneer stuff.

why would anybody vote twice?

To win!

I once worked selling recorded tours at the Philadelphia Museum of Art, as a summer job. There was an employee I liked who worked in the gift shop. She was semi-punkish and into occult stuff, which was appealing to me at the time. I went to her apartment once to drop off a Psychic TV tape I'd made for her. While I was there, the Beastie Boys came up and she said she liked them because "they make fun of dumb niggers." With that comment, I went from speculating about the taste of her vaginal secretions to avoiding her entirely. Which isn't why I voted for Abbey Road, but I never really liked the Beastie Boys very much anyhow.

http://devonrecordclub.wordpress.com/2012/02/24/beastie-boys-pauls-boutique-round-22-nicks-choice/

Must've got into Paul's Boutique circa '97/'98 and I'm sure it had a remarkable effect on me. That's all.

RIP Paul’s Boutique collaborator and co-producer Matt Dike at 56 from cancer. He apparently became a recluse in recent years.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-et-ms-matt-dike-obituary-20180313-story.html

Loved Boutique when it came out, haven’t listened to it in ages. Was impressed with the collaborative process between Dike , Beasties, and others and the choice of record samples back then

I dislike James Brown more than I dislike funk. Clinton is sometimes very unmelodic, sometimes not. Anyway, at least he did a lot of nice synth pioneer stuff.

― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Friday, April 30, 2010 10:42 AM (seven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ah Geir, hadn't thought of you in a while

curmudgeon you owe it to yourself to play it today

I still have the original CD - always wondered what the remaster brought out of it.

still waiting for an official instrumental version. then it would definitely be one of my favorite albums.

I borrered it from the library many years ago.

I discovered what meh meant.

xpost i have bother the remaster and the original and honestly i can't tell much of a difference

Listened to Boutique on Spotify (not my original vinyl pressing from way back). First listen in ages. Vocal style is more whiny than I remembered. Some nice instrumental touches though

alternative version put together using original source material that was used for the album and spoken interviews:

https://soundcloud.com/strictly/caught-in-the-middle-of-a-3

i would vote "Abbey Road" for better album but i have listened to "Paul's Boutique" way more times. "Odelay" was one of my favorite albums growing up and discovering PB was wonderful. the non stop switching up genres and crazy juxtaposition of samples is intoxicating!

love the Beatles rap where they mix together Sgt. Pepper and Abbey Road, but my favorite sample moments are 1) "Mississippi Queen" snare breakdown in "Looking Down the Barrel" and 2) "Ballroom Blitz" "She thinks she's the passionate one" in "Hey Ladies"