CCR vs. The Velvet Underground + The Stooges + Big Star Poll

Uh.

god damn you

if I loved CCR any less this would be an easy call
unfortunately I don't so it's not

Unsung was the wrong choice of word there - I meant not-selling-any-records

in their day

"The Gift" is the Velvets' "Keep On Chooglin'"

would definitely rather listen to a VU-Stooges-Big Star supergroup with iggy pop doing vocals for a 34 minute long version of 'thirteen'

velvets definitely choogled

ccr owns so hard

no no no I want this broke down to four options

brio I got love for you but if this ushers in a new era of really stupid polls where we pit combos against combos or three against one or whatever and it clogs up the site new answers, I will give you such a punch

I love these scientific polls lol xpost

http://cdn3.ioffer.com/img/item/137/517/203/FkhEHF7HPUGaALe.jpg

i know it's ludicrous but CCR would so steamroller it if you split the pointy-headed turtleneck vote.

that is why it probably doesn't make sense to poll 4 super unrelated bands at once?

Big Star covered VU
Stooges produced by VU-er

right which is why a Big Star vs. VU or Stooges vs. VU poll would sorta make sense? but there is no real logic to the 4 together.

split it up, we've all got enough edjicashun to add numbers afterwards

in fact, never mind, this poll is a malformed babby that demonstrates the need for planned parenthood

I stand by my supergroup answer btw, think about it

Once again..

I bought a CCR best of at a car boot, thinking "great"

Played it, decided "snooz"

So, it's easy..

VU, Big Star + Stooges are all bands that fared poorly commercially when they were active - all commonly used as examples of the record-buying public (or at least record companies) getting it wrong.

CCR are awesome and they were hugely popular.

It's a popular band vs. critical fave poll.

Everybody (pencil-necks + normals!) loves CCR, so the critical darlings needed to team up to compete.

It's TOTALLY scientific.

Everybody (pencil-necks + normals!) loves CCR

Mark G?

But point taken... I've been polling it up too much lately - I'll lay off for awhile.

And I'm sure the results will be meaningful.
I'll be sure to cite them in my article "Dudes on the internet talking baout bands."xpost

CCR are also a critical fave though and the VU/Stooges aren't particularly underground these days

exactly!

i mean it doesn't feel good to vote against ccr but...

Everybody (pencil-necks + normals!) loves CCR

Mark G?

Dunno, which one am I?

this might as well be "best American rock band of the late 60s/early 70s" poll

and CCR would still win

I could see VU winning by a few votes in a VU v. CCR poll

I think that poll already happened honestly

there was this:
Taking Sides: CCR vs. CR,CR

I love all of these bands but something should be mentioned about this:

Creedence Clearwater Revival - Released: July 5, 1968
Bayou Country - Released: January 5, 1969
Green River - Released: August 3, 1969
Willy and the Poor Boys - Released: November 2, 1969
Cosmo's Factory - Released: July 25, 1970
Pendulum - Released: December 7, 1970

Oh god yeah, insane!

is there really any reason to own any creedence album besides "twenty greatest hits" though? I know a lotta ppl say "greatest american rock band" but they seem pretty one-dimensional to me. like, compare to the stones: the stones have a lotta different looks. ditto the byrds, really. creedence, they do what they do. always a couple of classic jams. but really, I'd vote stooges or velvets against them any day.

The Velvets had 5 (including VU) in about the same time period?

brb ppl, resuscitating shakey

and yeah a3rosmith otm

Green River is a good place to start.

CCR album tracks are dope. Therein lies the variety.
But it's ludicrous to think that they are better than all three of those bands combined, imo.

is there really any reason to own any creedence album besides "twenty greatest hits" though?
i don't know, i thought this for a while, but there are some essential creedence jamz that don't make it onto the greatest hits. i guess the real question is "is there any reason not to own all the creedence album?"

The Velvet Underground & Nico - March 12, 1967
White Light/White Heat - January 30, 1968
The Velvet Underground - March 1969
Loaded - September 1970
Squeeze - February 1973

and yeah I mean the reason to own the other creedence albums is that there are lots of good songs on them. but the VU and Nico album alone has a greater variety of sounds/styles than CCR's entire career.

xp

COSMO'S FACTORY

The Velvets had 5 (including VU) in about the same time period?

not even close. look at that schedule, CCR released FOUR albums (all of which are fuckign amazing) within a 12-month time period.

Smithy the deep cuts on CCR albums are super-deep. Ramble Tamble, Pagan Baby, Sinister Purpose... so many

The Velvet Underground & Nico - March 12, 1967

Also, wasn't most of it recorded the year before?

CCR is critically revered now, but weren't they sort of dismissed as bubblegum at the time?

manyxxxposts

CCR did country, r&b, psych jamz, straight rock

and no love songs

yeah i am a-ok with steve miller but i can't abide by the joker

my dad mainly listens to talk radio. if he was going to say "now THAT'S how you do it" he'd probably say it if a Cream song came on.

i h8 that song myself, but i look at it as a shitty aberration

xp

you guys are dissing "gangsta of love" by the geto boys by proxy and i think u should be ashamed

go for the earlier Stevie Miller greatest hits package imo. ('68 -'73, maybe)

he made the guitar do a wolf whistle! he's basically a sexual harasser imo

No he isn't, his guitar is

also brave new world by steve miller is dope on wax

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVEgDSOx_5w

how do you fancy lads feel about SEGER? does knock your your spectacles off the bridge of yr nose?

(yeah it's about to get REAL)

seek out quicksilver girl, living in the usa, my dark hour, going to mexico, etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj3Ia7Bn5wQ

IF YOU'RE NOT OUTRAGED YR NOT PAYING ATTENTION

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=487t88pz-2Y

from the youtube comments:

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anolmec
5 months ago 6
wow thanks for posting this. It occurs to me that the outrage of the 60's, that stopped a war and gave birth to the civil rights movement was due in large to the great artist,the likes of seger, dylan, guthrie. We've lost A LOT.

that's how you do it

the likes of seger, dylan, guthrie

The Cocteau Twins helped stop a war?

in addition to his role in the civil rights movement, seger is great -- even more mad respect to him now that I've heard his early stuff thanks to the ILM comp that's floating around.

bob seger singlehandedly ended jim crow

but the best part about that comment is that i really hope that person believed that pete seger was singing that song...from his "dark period"

wouldn't mind hearing Pete Seeger doing "Night Moves"

or "The Joker"

Listening to Mongrel and the other early Pete Seger System stuff has opened me up to Silver Bullet Band gold - sounds great while actually drinking Silver Bullets.

Not to harp on this - but am I wrong in arguing that no-one really sounds like CCR upthread?

I mean I'm sure heartland rockers like Petty and Seger and Mellencamp and D Boon and Springsteen loved CCR and tried to emulate some things about them - but they don't sound like em in the way bands digging on VU and Stooges do/

I have a feeling I may be spectacularly wrong about this. Am I overestimating the singularity of the OG Chooglers?

the likes of seger, dylan, guthrie

The Cocteau Twins helped stop a war?

― Wenlock & Mandelson (Tom D.), Thursday, May 27, 2010 11:10 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

have never shook my damn head at a post on ILM more

xpost no, there's no one I can think of that *really* sounds like CCR -- if they do, it's like they're doing an obvious tribute to them. but i'm of the opinion that not many bands *actually* sound like the VU (or Big Star for that matter), despite being wildly influential. (Stooges, yeah, bands sound like the stooges).

or Big Star for that matter

Teenage Fanclub? Certainly not thru want of trying, put it that way!

yeah, they sound like Big Star, but even that seems kind of overstated to me.

yeah teenage fanclub

as far as "sounding" like the velvets...to me, the velvet's influence is a way of approaching music...minimalism, repetition, drone...

like they changed the way i saw music

the lol kings of leon thing upthread has me thinking though -- was CCR like the Kings of Leon of their day? obviously, CCR is way better than the horrible Kings of Leon, but I'm talking about perception. Were CCR critically uncool? Did Jefferson Airplane fans turn their noses up? Like, say, a Radiohead fan would turn their nose up at KoL? HMMM.

xposts
yeah - nobody sounds exactly like VU or Big Star - just that there have been a lot more overt hommages to those bands than to CCR. Teenage Fanclub and Replacements to Big Star; Galaxie 500 and Jesus and Mary Chain to VU, etc etc

i guess with CCR there might just be less places to take that sound.

was CCR like the Kings of Leon of their day?

tyler you are a real bro and i <3 you so i'm gonna go ahead and pretend i didn't read this

lol sorry, but i'm talking about how they were perceived by you know, "serious" rock fans. trust me, kings of leon suck!

ok thinking real hard here - there must be some straight-up heart-on-the-sleeve creedence hommages out there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP94PlEtsEQ

yeah that's the only one i can think of....hell i thought that WAS a creedence song for a long time

Actually Status Quo had a bit of a CCR thing going on

Pavement were/are big CCR fans -- there's one tune, "Harness Your Hopes" that has a kinda Creedence vibe. They also covered Sinister Purpose live.

very weird video for Nick Lowe's CCR hommage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lEItr0Zy9s

Could certainly imagine Status Quo doing something like "Hey Tonight"

but am I wrong in arguing that no-one really sounds like CCR upthread?

no, you're not wrong - this is a very hard band to "ape", and like Tyler says yeah its kinda like where do you go with that sound, you will just sound like a terrible copyist (see every sub-Ramones or sub-Stooges band, there are A LOT)

Pavement came kinda close, occasionally ("Unfair")

but they never had the rhythmic muscle

yeah, obviously pavement were never as tight ... dunno, gotta say that people like springsteen/mellencamp + mainstream country acts are probably the best examples of being inspired by ccr. maybe in alt-country circles you'd find some stuff. Uncle Tupelo covered Effigy -- and they had CCR love filtered through their love of the Minutemen too.

(see every sub-Ramones or sub-Stooges band, there are A LOT)

was a time when this was called punk...

correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't bands like The Gun Club or The Flesh Eaters kind of Creedence-y? The Blasters, even?

Gun Club's a good call actually

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trying to imagine what a song featuring all the members of VU, the Stooges and Big Star would sound like lol

odds of it being better than any CCR song = pretty low

I could see VU and Big Star both doing "Gimme Danger", can not see Big Star doing "Sister Ray" or Stooges doing "Femme Fatale" tho...

Big Star doing "Gimme Danger"

lol yeah Chilton would've camped this up big time

yeah that would've been pretty awesome

T/S: Velvets "What Goes On" vs. CCR "Proud Mary"