Music Criticism in Video Form

We've talked about this guy in other threads, but he and those who follow a similar path of doing music crit video-style deserve their own thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OElyc_yZU54

Dude's awesome.

this is the worst idea ever

^^^^^

tim's tv show was really good, but that had 3 people incl tim

the problem w/ this is that it takes me like... 6 mins to read two or three reviews on my own -- i don't really want to watch a 6 min video of a dude in front of a camera talking about something

i barely can find time to listen to the albums themselves

Unless his name is Scott Seward or Ned Raggett, I have no desire to watch a critic read his reviews.

You all will remember this day when this dude takes over the world.

Tbh I shut it off when he referred to Xasthur as "eight albums tall".

Why do you hate poetry?

No, I hate unfortunate references to Smurfs.

John D did an amazing flash animation review on Last Plane years ago (was just text but it sorta counts as video), was it for Radiohead?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4HW7jmRXeE

There's a pretty good Brokencyde reference in his Sleigh Bells review (1:30 or so):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aJXrwCX20U

would be so bummed to come across this kinda shit irl anymore (bar? house show?). cannot imagine why anyone would seek it out online.

which, i mean, i'll read a record review from time to time, but i don't need the dude or lady gesturing at me and getting all nasal with it

I did this once. I intended to approximate Jay Smooth but I couldn't edit it down from 11 minutes. So.

I thought it was okay at the time but I am certain it's not worth watching now. Unless you like to see someone describing '70s Beach Boys records and all the while trying to talk through his bad haircut.

This guy's changing lives and none of you even appreciate it:

"However, if you were to take relentless breathy female vocals and put them over a Sunn 0))) track, it would ruin that too."

ppl at the twitter conf kept telling me to do a daily album review vlog like g4ry v4ynerchuck and his dumb wine because it will eventually = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Do Pitchfork writers still review stuff for ABC News?

Can't find anything re: Pfork/ABC lately, but I did come across Renee Fleming's take on pop and indie rock (I honestly don't dare watch this myself, just wanted to share the link... view at yr own risk!):

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/video?catId=2898870&autostart=false

The Best of Beavis & Butthead

I actually really liked the Woebot.tv thing. This guy on the other hand just seems annoying.

Some of prindle's ones have been really great...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdNhxSDBV9Y

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQITSJuNIyA

but then also, recently, very depressing if you've been reading him for a while.

prindle's are at least kind of fascinating/horrifying for fans of his writing, but this other dude...why the hell would anyone watch this?

unless they themselves have considered talking about an album for five minutes into a camera in front of a black backdrop

Because The Needle Drop dude rules.

is this who you want to be when you grow up or something?

i mean unless you can't find a guy in glasses to talk to you about albums in person, i can't see what purpose this guy serves.

he's got people to pay attention to music criticism -- that's something. also, dude's entertaining

dude has less than than 10,000 views on any video. Not bad for a vlog of a dude talking about albums for five minutes with no sound samples (wtf is up with that, btw?) but dunno if he "got people to pay attention to music criticism."

insofar as (1) he has some viewers and (2) you consider what he's doing music criticism -- and i do -- then "he's got people to pay attention to music criticism," at least momentarily

i mean, his is a small fuckin operation, but i'm all for some dude who obviously loves music doing a half-decent job turning other music fans onto good stuff

judging from the comments these people were already paying attention to music criticism when they got to him

sure, you're probably right -- all or even most of the ppl watching his videos probably already have some sort of interest in consuming music criticism, but at the same time he's at least furthering their engagement with it, which is neat. and i think he succeeds pretty well in doing pretty good reviews in this format. i'm all for people trying out projects like this. i also just like his stuff

*most or even all

the title of this thread made me think of something else entirely!

besides the derogatis show, are there any people doing criticism in audio form (which would seem like a more natural fit)?

there's a fantastic deconstruction of "hyper enough" on the laughter guns EP by some college DJs that I wish people would do more of, even if they're not joking.

one day someone will do this well

who wants to look at a music critic?

i was hoping da croupier was planning on launching a competing vlog

xpost

I was thinking this would be about critics tearing music videos apart beavis & butthead/MST3K style, where all you would see is a silhouette maybe.

video is a more forgiving and flexible medium than prose, i.e. allows a lot of more divisive stylistic chops to be sidestepped completely and a lot of observations are simpler to express in realtime. it's quicker&less effort also. reading a tool fan trying to spot instances of the fibonacci sequence in lateralus wld be awful, but youtube is like an anaesthetic. vlogs are shit. all you guys are fools for even imagining them imo.

irl lol, but

youtube is like an anaesthetic. vlogs are shit. all you guys are fools for even imagining them imo.

Huh?

minutes with no sound samples (wtf is up with that, btw?)

I think he used to have sound samples in some of his older review. Whatever happened?

yeah, i thought he did too -- copyright issues, maybe?

I'm trying to think where video offers an advantage over an audio review. Would you pull up spectrum analyses of records?
I think it could be a useful to show where someone maybe ripped off someone else, but it isn't immediately obvious by listening to it.

you could slowly pan over album artwork and pictures of the band while actors read quotes from the musicians, reading rainbow style.

interpretive dance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdmSFXKM_QU

xp to ksh

video is less abstract and more sensory, & that dazzle sweetens the transmission of all sorts of shit. ppl will watch lots of shit they wldn't read, changing the ratio of yr senses can have a numbing effect, youtube is like an audiac, the headphone anaesthetic where you wld increase the volume till you couldn't feel any pain, or presumably, hear afterwards

the laurie anderson curlers line gets me every time!

He's got the LCD Soundsystem stan look down pat.

what is this 2003

why do kids love this prick

interviewing someone with bad taste, curious

good for the Quietus, should get them a healthy amount of hits

I think it's a reasonably good selection of albums and a reasonably good commentary on them?

The real dean of rock critics

oh damn sorry fantano's good now

he does not have the taste of someone unfrozen in 2010 i'll hold off clowning him

i also def didn't read the commentary bc i don't believe he's capable of insight, just a character flaw of mine

anyway i'd prefer the baker's dozen feature be reserved to musicians and not given to very bad critics who hate women ymmv

hate women

I missed this part. What did he do?

listen i'm just making a judgment based on having observed his criticism over a period of ten years, he hasn't "done" anything

anyway whatever, good for the quietus, totally meaningless thing to get worked up over

if you feel the need to "minority opinion, but" about lcd soundsystem albums in 2021 to your sizable fanbase i feel like you should at least mention the juan maclean

Hates women, music, life

I was hoping to hate this, liking it would have been my second choice, disappointing that I feel neither.

Is ILM the internet's foremost Fantano hate club?

RYM is both his hateclub and his fanclub

Fantano Discourse has I think receded very slightly at least

if i disentangle myself from the magnetic field of fantano hate i am constantly exuding i can look at this list of records and think "yeah some of these choices are pretty sick" but in the universe where i have actually observed his criticism it is impossible for me to think that

pretty good list of albums, do not read the blurbs. unless you want to learn that "daft punk is playing at my house" is "almost satirical in a way"

These Quietus lists seem to have four approaches

* Genuine list of their favourite records
* List of records designed to present the person in a certain light
* As above but with added trolling
* A curated list to introduce some records they think need more exposure

This list is the second option, the most boring one, was hoping he would at least go for option three.

I mean

Fantano hates me personally, arbitrarily. I don't have any feelings toward him, but as they say, "the opposite of love is not hate, but indifference". That said, I read his Quietus entries this morning and felt, for the first time ever, an twinge of affinity for both his choices and an appreciation for the things he was expressing, that's all! The twinge has passed. I still don't care about him

why doesn’t this guy ever push his fucking glasses up

I don't know his choices because I refuse to click through but even if I like some of them they're bad choices because they're his

it's good to have occasional reminders of how conditional the current vague social justice orientation of alt music media really is. this is just good business for them, much like it was good business for this guy to have certain associations which it's now good business for him to deny

xpost - OEO, I always have the same thought!

My favorite 13 records would be an incredibly boring list

it's good to have occasional reminders of how conditional the current vague social justice orientation of alt music media really is. this is just good business for them, much like it was good business for this guy to have certain associations which it's now good business for him to deny

― as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Wednesday, January 13, 2021 12:52 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

social justice commitments are fleeting, but apparently click-maxing paginated galleries will always be with us :(

I don't like Fantano's videos but I thought the Quietus article was good. I enjoyed his description of the guitar sound on Plastic Surgery Disasters .

My favorite 13 records would be an incredibly boring list

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, January 13, 2021 2:26 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

otm

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMRsgcdER/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jUr57dIMq4

I only know him as a meme but this popped up - I assume it's not his best work or anything but... he doesn't say really anything? Point to their influences and "they've got some good hooks here."

Ha ha

Drake somehow loses in feud with Fantano

a low point for dignity

it's like two complete morons trying to outsmart each other. i feel like we're the real losers for giving them our attention. oh well.

fuck this guy

Well yeah but what happened now

idk but afaict he still hasn't apologised at all for the video where he told "SJWs" to drink bleach.

I've basically only heard of this guy on here... but Activision is suing him for declaratory judgment, b/c he apparently (a) made a pizza-themed TikTok video where he says "It's enough slices!"; (b) made that audio available for use as a sort of meme on TikTok (where is has since been used in "hundreds of thousands" of other videos); and (c) is now threatening to sue Activision for using it in a Crash Bandicoot–themed video, if they don't pay him $$$. Activision says they relied on TikTok's representation that the audio was freely available for commercial use, and that they also agreed to remove the video when he complained.

Was going to express an opinion on Fantano but cannot be bothered.

instead, let's share some non-shitty music "reaction" channels.

JustJP - https://youtube.com/@JustJP
Into The Music - https://youtube.com/@intothemusic908
The Charismatic Voice - https://youtube.com/@TheCharismaticVoice

Obviously 99% of music reaction channels are completely irredeemable, but these three pick interesting music and have interesting things to say about it, that's the standard I'm looking for, you would think that's not a high bar, but

This is a very strange story: Fantano talking about Finn McKenty, aka "the Punk Rock MBA," who has apparently quit YouTube after admitting in an interview that he doesn't actually give a shit about music and made all his videos strictly for the money based on internet research...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYkrv2xWrnI

I couldn't imagine clicking and then watching a video by someone who calls themselves "the Punk Rock MBA"

Punk Rock criticism is where the $$$ is

There are more folks out there like that…

I've watched several of the Punk Rock MBA's videos over the years. The first was his What Killed Slam? video, which exposed me to an interesting subgenre I'd never heard of.

He has atrocious taste (see above video on slam), and I'm sure a lot of his videos were phoned in, but at least some of them are clearly rooted in sincere appreciation for music (see above video on slam).

I guess it is a bit punk rock to quit your gig and claim it was a sham all along

HEY WHAT THE FUCKERS AND WHAT THE FUCKETTES EVER GOT THE FEELING YOUVE BEEN CHEATED

All these podcasts are going video now too, yeah? There’s some podcast out there that looks back at classic emo/metalcore albums, their video feed somehow showed up on my instagram feed and it’s like who really wants to look at hairy millennial dudes talk about some Underoath album like it’s a legendary football game or something?

I've noticed other podcasts becoming mostly Youtube shows. The audience and/or ad revenue must be bigger there.

well you made me watch a fantano video so first of all fuck but I did laugh at what a mark he is, I consume a lot of d-tier music commentary ""content"" on youtube and it is immediately obvious which people (it's a majority) are doing it for entirely cynical reasons and have no real interest, they get away with it because the viewers don't really care, except poor old Needledrop who failed to notice that his buddy was just reading out wikipedia articles.