In the spirit of So we're halfway through 2008; what are your top 10 albums of this year, so far? . . .
Favorite albums of the year so far?
― ksh, Monday, 14 June 2010 15:43 (fifteen years ago)
Just posted this on my humble tumblr this morning:
My favorite new music of the new decade thus far; alphabetical, with two notes.
Across Tundras - Old World WandererCathedral - The Guessing GameElvis Costello and the Attractions - Live at Hollywood High* The Flight of Sleipnir - LoreRobyn Hitchcock & The Venus 3 - Propellor TimeMugstar - Sun, Broken…The National - High VioletRatt - InfestationSamsara Blues Experiment - Long Distance TripTriptykon - Eparistera DaimonesUfomammut -EveThe Velvet Underground - The Professor’s Tapes**Voice of the Seven Thunders - Voice of the Seven Thunders
*This is the first complete version of a ‘78 show that has been previously released in dribs and drabs. It smokes, reminding me why I loved Costello so much at one point.
**This is a bootleg of five VU shows that have been available before as recordings made from radio broadcasts of these exact tapes. Needless to say, the audio quality is definitely improved, making great performances sound good instead of just passable.
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 14 June 2010 15:47 (fifteen years ago)
Seconding Propellor Time and The Professor Tapes, adding Elisa Randazzo's "Bruises & Butterflies," the Rangda album everyone on ILM is nuts about ...
― tylerw, Monday, 14 June 2010 16:08 (fifteen years ago)
No order:
Extra LifeSlicesKonono No.1Lean LeftOptimo's Fabric mixLindstrom & ChristabelleRangdaBlack BreathDry Rot
― why don't black metallers have dreams (DJ Mencap), Monday, 14 June 2010 16:24 (fifteen years ago)
Voice of the Seven Thunders - Voice of the Seven Thunders
^oh and this!
― why don't black metallers have dreams (DJ Mencap), Monday, 14 June 2010 16:25 (fifteen years ago)
vampire weekendhot chiplcd soundsystemthe fall
― Michael B, Monday, 14 June 2010 16:26 (fifteen years ago)
Voice of the Seven Thunders - Voice of the Seven ThundersWhite FenceForest SwordsGolden TrianglePeter Brotzmann - WoodcutsGuinea WormsJimi HendrixThee Oh Seesthe FallDead LukeAcid Mothers Temple - In O to InfinityKonono # 1v/a - Brazilian Fuzz Bananas...etc.Puffy AreolasHanoi JanesEl Jesus de Magico
― ImprovSpirit, Monday, 14 June 2010 16:43 (fifteen years ago)
It's been a strong year so far, already a lot more albums I love than there was last year.
1.The Chap-Well Done Europe2.LCD Soundsystem-This is Happening3.Hot Chip-One Life Stand4.Janelle Monae-The ArchAndroid5.Owen Pallett-Heartland6.The Fall-Your Future Our Clutter7.Ted Leo & the Pharmacists-The Brutalist Bricks8.Gorillaz-Plastic Beach9.Robyn-Body Talk (Part One)10.Erykah Badu-New Amerykah Part Two11Goldfrapp-Head First12.Everybody Was in the French Resistance..Now!-Fixin' the Charts13.Groove Armada-Black Light14.Lindstrom & Christabelle-Real Life is no Cool15.Fyfe Dangefield-Fly Yellow Moon
Looking forward to hearing the new Scissor Sisters, Kylie, Big Boi, M.I.A and The Dream albums in the next month.
To make it a perfect year I'd really love new albums by The Avalanches and D'angelo, but that's not looking likely especially in D'angelo's case.
― Kitchen Person, Monday, 14 June 2010 16:46 (fifteen years ago)
01. Spoon, Transference02. Peter Wolf, Midnight Souvenirs03. Drive-By Truckers, The Big To-Do04. Soulfly, Omen05. T.A.M.I. Show DVD06. Yeasayer, Odd Blood07. Minus the Bear, Omni08. Darkthrone, Circle the Wagons09. Dr. Dog, Shame, Shame10. The Bird & the Bee, Interpreting the Masters, Vol. 1: A Tribute to Daryl Hall & John Oates
Honorable MentionBlack Keys, BrothersThe Fall, Your Future Our ClutterGoldfrapp, Head FirstJimi Hendrix, Valleys of NeptuneSharon Jones & the Dap-Kings, I Learned the Hard WayJónsi, GoMarina & the Diamonds, The Family JewelsOverkill, IronboundPretenders, Live in LondonVoice of the Seven Thunders, s/t
"Exile on Main Street" has been the best reissue (I really love the first six bonus tracks).
― Wally P. Doyle, Monday, 14 June 2010 18:18 (fifteen years ago)
Pantha du Prince - Black Noise
that's it
― the most horrifying moment in shallow grave (abanana), Monday, 14 June 2010 18:37 (fifteen years ago)
So far I really like:
Sleigh Bells - TreatsMidlake - The Courage of OthersEllen Allien - Dust
and about half of Vampire Weekend - Contra
― o. nate, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 02:50 (fifteen years ago)
Oh, and I just got The Tallest Man on Earth - Wild Hunt, which will probably be moving onto the "really like" list.
― o. nate, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 02:52 (fifteen years ago)
Janelle Monae - The ArchAndroidMarina & the Diamonds - The Family JewelsDaddy Yankee - Mundial
Maybe: Pantha du Prince - Black Noise
― confusion is a walrus (_Rudipherous_), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 03:01 (fifteen years ago)
Nachtmystium - Addicts: Black Meddle Vol. 2Alcest - Écailles de Lune The Besnard Lakes - Are the Roaring NightRatt - InfestationTitus Andronicus - The MonitorGoldfrapp - Head FirstDrive-By Truckers - The Big To-DoFlying Lotus - CosmogrammaYakuza - Of Seismic ConsequenceRobyn - Body Talk (Part One)Cathedral - The Guessing Game
― A. Begrand, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 03:15 (fifteen years ago)
Rangda - False FlagThe Fall - Your Future Our ClutterTonetta - 777
― bug holocaust (sleeve), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 05:29 (fifteen years ago)
of the very little i've heard, stuff i really love:
High on Fire - Snakes for the DivineSleigh Bells - TreatsBlack Breath - Heavy BreathingNice Face - Immer EtwasGorillaz - Plastic Beach (maybe?)Ariel Pink - Before TodayFunerot - And Then You Fucking Die, Man
curious about (lazy): fall, tyvek, cathedral, nachtmystium, rangda, konono #1
disappointed by recent: oh sees, puffy areolas, hot chip
i'm sure i'm forgetting a ton of shit
― the other is a black gay gentleman from Los Angeles (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 07:36 (fifteen years ago)
quadronefdemin
― cozen, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 07:42 (fifteen years ago)
LCD SoundsystemBig Krit - KRIT wuz hereDelorean - SubizaOnra - Long DistancePantha du Prince - Black NoiseThe Bird and the Bee - Interpreting the Masters Volume 1: A Tribute To Daryl Hall and John Oates Erykah Badu
Need to listen to more, not sure: Broken Social SceneShould check out, love the "singles": Ariel Pink, GayngsWill be on there fo sho based on what's been released: Big Boi
― Join the Gothscene! Join for free! Gothscene.com (Whitey on the Moon), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 07:53 (fifteen years ago)
The Hold Steady.
― anagram, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 07:57 (fifteen years ago)
so far . . . LCD Soundsystem. imagine Sleigh Bells will be high up on my list when I listen to it more. besides that, I've mostly stuff that came out before this year, and the new stuff i've heard is kinda middling
― ksh, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 12:07 (fifteen years ago)
*i've mostly heard
SpoonRadio Dept.Scout NiblettHarvey MilkRene Hell-Porcelain Opera/Rogue CameraActress-Splazsh/Machine And VoiceWhite FenceAvi BuffaloJames Blake-The Bells SketchJames Murphy/VA-Greenberg OSTAutechre-Move Of TenTotal Abuse-MuttMadlib-Madlib Medicine Show No. 5: The History Of The Loop Digga 1990-2000Young Jazz Rebels-Slave RiotBird Show-Bird Show BandThe Allison Cameron Band-S/TSightings-City Of Straw
― Don't Make Me A Burrito (Craig D.), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 14:02 (fifteen years ago)
goddam, keep forgetting to track down the new harvey milk
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 22:41 (fifteen years ago)
contenderizer why didn't you like puffy areolas?
― teflon donk (samosa gibreel), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 23:32 (fifteen years ago)
top 5
northern portrait - criminal art loversstandard fare - the noyelle beatoutrageous cherry - seemingly solid realitytitle tracks - it was easybesnard lakes - the besnard lakes are the roaring night
― sugar fuckup (electricsound), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 23:35 (fifteen years ago)
Yeah I think the Puffy Areolas lp is awesome.
― van smack, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 23:38 (fifteen years ago)
puffy areolas seem like they'd be cool live (haven't seen em), and the basic sound is awesome - but after a few spins i realized that they don't yet have the tunes or riffs to back the sound up. so unless i was in the perfect mood for it, it quickly came to sound like a bunch of undifferentiated grinding and yelling. all the bits sound cool at first, but there's nothing memorable to hang on to in the long run. i'm not saying it's a bad album, but i got tired of it quickly. it's too abstract for me, and not pop enough, because i'm stupid like that. kept getting bored & irritated before it ended.
ugly truth: sold the lp back w/out using the download card (ow).
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 00:54 (fifteen years ago)
Boris - Variations
― _Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 04:20 (fifteen years ago)
oh yeah and melvins - the bride screamed murder
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 04:25 (fifteen years ago)
you should have waited on this thread for about two more weeks (i need the time).
― Boo Radley (Bee OK), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 04:41 (fifteen years ago)
Four TetLCD SoundsystemPantha Du PrinceCaribouSpoonOwen PallettLaura MarlingLindstrom & ChristabelleSteve MasonVampire Weekend
I'm almost certainly forgetting a few more. A good year thus far.
― Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 05:18 (fifteen years ago)
Massive AttackPawelJoanna NewsomVoice of the Seven ThundersPolar Bear
― Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 05:20 (fifteen years ago)
Gonzales - Pianist Envy
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 05:24 (fifteen years ago)
Owen PallettBlack KeysPaul CaryMidlakeHarvey MilkThe NationalLiarsTallest Man on Earth
and quite possibly this new Punch Brothers record, which I am impressed by on first listen
― Simon H., Wednesday, 16 June 2010 05:34 (fifteen years ago)
I've been probably more out of it than usual but this is my most played on itunes for 2010 stuff:
Konono No1LCD SoundsystemImmer 3Tonetta 777Optimo - Fabric 52Die AntwoordDanny Wang
― _▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 05:58 (fifteen years ago)
man, listening to new music and thinking about what album that came out in the last six months is your favourite can make you feel so retarded sometimes.
― teflon donk (samosa gibreel), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 06:21 (fifteen years ago)
true, true
― Cunga, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 06:34 (fifteen years ago)
I keep everything purchased in any given year in a pile separate from the rest of the filed away collection. Well, two piles, actually; one for 'new' stuff released in that year and another for back catalogue stuff. To remind me that this stuff is recent purchases and I ought to listen to it before it gets put away and forgotten about.
― Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 07:07 (fifteen years ago)
The new stuff pile is bigger than the back catalogue pile so far this year.
2. Mock & Toof - Tuning Echoes
― the most horrifying moment in shallow grave (abanana), Saturday, 19 June 2010 00:45 (fifteen years ago)
I thought Future Islands' "In Evening Air" would get some love here. It's by far my favorite album of the year. It's a bit of a grower - I only started loving this after 4-5 spins, but damn does it blow me away now! The singer's voice can be a detriment to some (in some of the songs he sounds a little like Tom Waits, not that I'm complaining).
Some of the other albums I've been listening to almost non-stop:
Fredrik - TrilogyYellow Swans - Going PlacesEluvium - SmilesSurfer Blood - Astro CoastShearwater - The Golden ArchipelagoCaribou - Swim
― musicfanatic, Saturday, 19 June 2010 01:06 (fifteen years ago)
― teflon donk (samosa gibreel)
But if you're thinking too much about it you're doing it wrong. These sort of recaps should be a quick flashback of the albums you've listened to the most in the past months. If you don't remember them it's ok.
― Moka, Saturday, 19 June 2010 19:02 (fifteen years ago)
I think the new album by (ex-freestyle singer) salsera India is pretty good, maybe the best she's done (though I confess I've never been completely satisfied with anything she's done):
http://www.myspace.com/india
May have some crossover appeal. The production and some aspects of the arrangements (etc.) put it on the pop side of salsa, but it's definitely still salsa. There are three English language covers ("Smile" the Charlie Chaplin one, "Crying" the Roy Orbison one, and Teddy Pendergrass's "Turn Out the Lights." I'm not big on English-language salsa, but I think these work, and India doesn't sound ridiculous singing in English or anything like that.)
― _Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 18:42 (fifteen years ago)
I'm just in street team mode at the moment I guess.
― _Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 18:43 (fifteen years ago)
Stuff that comes immediately to mind:
Four TetCaribouSadePantha du PrinceLindstrom & ChristabelleEyrkah BaduJanelle MonaeYeasayerThe FallFlying LotusRangda
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 18:47 (fifteen years ago)
Stuff that's great that hasn't been mentioned enough:
GuidoJavelinGil Scott-HeronJamie LidellTed Leo/Pharmacists
― Parenthetical Grillz, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 21:55 (fifteen years ago)
last year i don't think i even liked enough albums to come up with a top 10. this year is great already and i'm really looking forward to a bunch of records in the next couple months.
flying lotuslcd soundsystembadujames blake, cmykthe inbetweens, quantum cowboyfour tet (this one is growing on me)
― emotional radiohead whatever (Jordan), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 22:08 (fifteen years ago)
Stuff that comes immediately to mind:Four TetCaribouSadePantha du PrinceLindstrom & ChristabelleEyrkah BaduJanelle MonaeYeasayerThe FallFlying LotusRangda― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor)
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor)
Adding a few to my list:
The-DreamThese New PuritansGonjasufiThe Knife/Mt. Sims/PlanningtorockSleigh BellsMadlib (clearly there's a lot to sort through, but his releases this year are endlessly fascinating...)
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Thursday, 24 June 2010 21:18 (fifteen years ago)
Rangda
still really want to check this one out, tbh
― ksh, Friday, 25 June 2010 05:01 (fifteen years ago)
Live teaser:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JakvyyNmo4A
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Friday, 25 June 2010 13:11 (fifteen years ago)
it's soooo frustrating that an album as inventive and full of ideas as well as trad r&b values like the jazmine sullivan one will get like 1% of the critical attention of janelle monáe's (let alone kanye's)
I totally forgot to put monae on my 50 album list and momentary felt bad because I do quite like it, but then thought that me ranking her 39 or something probably isn't the kind of critical adulation she'd relying on right now. I haven't heard NEW JAZMINE yet but hope to love it.
In general I reckon it's not so much specifically that critics like to ignore trad R&B values, but that critics don't see the point of trad R&B values in the absence of some context or approach that frames them as somehow oppositional - and hence worthy of writing about. Comparing Jazmine and Janelle can only be a broad-brushstroke dichotomous exercise, but I'd be interested in a comparison of, say, Jazmine's critical reception to that of Jill Scott's first album.
― Tim F, Monday, 29 November 2010 05:31 (fifteen years ago)
tim, is this your 50 album list for pfrk, or...?
― i look at the interior of my sack and feel sad (ilxor), Monday, 29 November 2010 05:37 (fifteen years ago)
Yeah.
― Tim F, Monday, 29 November 2010 05:55 (fifteen years ago)
cool. really wish pfrk would post individual writers' lists, like it has a couple times before.
― i look at the interior of my sack and feel sad (ilxor), Monday, 29 November 2010 07:01 (fifteen years ago)
yeah, that would be great
― markers, Monday, 29 November 2010 07:18 (fifteen years ago)
most of them vote in pazz & jop, if that's any solace to you nerds
― J0rdan S., Monday, 29 November 2010 07:21 (fifteen years ago)
*cries*
― markers, Monday, 29 November 2010 08:04 (fifteen years ago)
*inconsolable*
― markers, Monday, 29 November 2010 08:05 (fifteen years ago)
the pfork 50-album ballot is literally the ONLY good thing they do - hate having to shear it down to a pissy little 10 everywhere else.
i'm surprised janelle even made your top 50 tim, i thought you were lukewarm on it!
actually a 20-album ballot and 100-track ballot would be ideal.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 29 November 2010 10:42 (fifteen years ago)
stuff copied over from the "11 days into" version of this thread (plus some, half sorted):
sun city girls - funeral mariachithe ex & getachew mekuria - moa anbessaofwgkta - earl/rolling papers/bastard/blackenedwhite (rather than break them out by artist)black breath - heavy breathingchristian mistress - agony & opiumsun araw - on patrol/off dutyhigh on fire - snakes for the divinepurling hiss - hissteria/public service announcementbig boi - sir lucious left foot: son of chico dustye-40 - revenue retrievin: night shift/day shiftthe dream - love kinglindstrom & christabelle - real life is no coolfunerot - and then you fucking die, manvarious - shangaan electro: new wave dance music from africademdike stare - liberation through hearing/forest of evil/voices of dustbongripper - satan worshipping doomnerve city - sleepwalker/nerve cityzola jesus - stridulum/valusianachtmystium - addicts: black meddle IIactress - machine and voice/splazsha frames - 333tonetta 777 - s/tmark mcguire - living with yourselftimmy's organism - rise of the green gorillathee oh sees - warm slimeshit and shine - bass puppy 12"sleigh bells - treatsariel pink - before today
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Monday, 29 November 2010 11:17 (fifteen years ago)
yeah, and kanye, can't deny
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Monday, 29 November 2010 11:18 (fifteen years ago)
but that critics don't see the point of trad R&B values in the absence of some context or approach that frames them as somehow oppositional - and hence worthy of writing about
again this is EXACTLY THE PROBLEM! this is such a dumb way to think, like actually is-your-iq-that-low stupid, and yet it's RIFE in the critical landscape.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 29 November 2010 11:20 (fifteen years ago)
eh, i'm willing to grant that some people might prefer and attach special value to the novel, challenging and/or convention-defying without assuming that they must therefore be stupid.
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Monday, 29 November 2010 11:24 (fifteen years ago)
nah it's just that they attach special value to a different set of conventions, but fool themselves into thinking that they're being ~challenging~
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 29 November 2010 11:30 (fifteen years ago)
like, isn't the janelle album totally conventional by the standards of "arty" sci-fi shit?
if jazmine was framed as coming out of a difft context wouldn't she be seen as "convention-defying"?
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 29 November 2010 11:32 (fifteen years ago)
what the hell are you even on about?
― The Reverend, Monday, 29 November 2010 11:33 (fifteen years ago)
that's rhetorical btw. i'm sure your answer is all well outraged and all that.
― The Reverend, Monday, 29 November 2010 11:34 (fifteen years ago)
well, it's a given that "challenging" is in the eye of the beholder, right? and in that sense, sure, framing helps. the janelle album has an obvious hook for people into slightly off-center pop, but that's hardly a bad thing. don't now enough about the jazmine record to make any comparisons. i just wanted to stick up for those who tend to seek out that which seems appealingly unusual. it's hardly the greatest fault of taste or intellect.
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Monday, 29 November 2010 11:38 (fifteen years ago)
when is the roots/legend record out?
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Monday, 29 November 2010 11:40 (fifteen years ago)
two months ago?
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Monday, 29 November 2010 11:42 (fifteen years ago)
I was and am. But I've probably only heard about 70 albums this year so coming in around 39 (actually just glanced at my list again and it would probably more like 45) = lukewarm. There's parts of it I really like I guess.
Even hearing 70 albums this year seems ridiculously excessive to me. I suppose it's not for most critics. But then I use up a lot of listening time with non-album funky.
Well yeah I meant that it's a problem. Certainly quite often at least. Sometimes something breaking with convention is a good thing but - and I think this is what you're getting at lex - the notion of what a "break with convention" is gets ossified, and codified around notions of genre-transcendence or eclecticism for its own sake. We already thrashed out all these issues in the actual monelle thread though I think?
The reason I raised Jill Scott is that at the beginning of the 00s the entire of traditionalist organic R&B was such a big thing for so many critics, again usually framed in oppositionalist terms, like it was kneejerk brave for anyone not to be Destiny's Child. I hated that whole critical line at the time and as a result had a tendency to turn my heart against a lot of that stuff prematurely, something I've only begun to get over/past in the last few years or so.
But of course one of the pernicious and cunning (as in "law of unintended consequences") aspects of the rise of post-Dilla culture is that just being traditionalist organic R&B, even in an anti-mainstream sense, isn't enough to excite critics anymore. Monelle's success is in some ways simply a more outsidery equivalent to the kind of discursive/musical shifts that result in stuff like the Bilal album or the New Amerykahs. At that point it gets very difficult to tease out the positive developments from the negative. Except in the general sense of mourning how every critical enthusiasm has its attendant dark side of ignorance and indifference.
― Tim F, Monday, 29 November 2010 11:56 (fifteen years ago)
lex, I think you ridiculously exaggerate the role the whole sci-fi concept album bullshit plays in creating The ArchAndroid's appeal. For me the appeal is primarily musical. I'm not a critic though. Maybe critics really do love that concept stuff, but I'm not convinced. I think they probably just talk about it because (a) everyone else is talking about it and (b) it's easier than talking about how the music sounds and feels.
I've checked out some of the Jazmine Sullivan and I don't hear it as very close to what Janelle Monae is doing at all, so I don't see the point in harping on the comparison.
― _Rudipherous_, Monday, 29 November 2010 15:48 (fifteen years ago)
Playing Fuego's La Musica Del Futuro in the background and wondering if I should add it to my personal best albums list for the year. For something that doesn't quite make the cut, I've listened to it a lot; but it definitely sags severely at certain points.
― _Rudipherous_, Monday, 29 November 2010 15:58 (fifteen years ago)
Incidentally, when I was talking recently to someone about current music that I like and I mentioned Janelle Monae, he said something like: "Oh, is that the woman who's the new James Brown?" "Tightrope" is a great single, but I think it's too bad that is the sound and image she's presented over and over again on TV, since it's pretty misleading as to what the overall album sounds like. (I do think she overdoes the James Brown schtick in general.)
― _Rudipherous_, Monday, 29 November 2010 16:12 (fifteen years ago)
hey um isnt jazmine sullivan way way way closer to jill scott than destiny's child? why does this thread turn jazmine into the one who gives me an onerous eat-your-veggies style rhetorical vibe while janelle, whatever her faults, seems breezy & kinda fun?
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 00:34 (fifteen years ago)
this is i should note a purely rhetoric-based judgement -- i havent heard JS's album yet
I listened to the clips on Amazon and, yeah...Jazmine is Jill Scott in this equation. LEX HAS BECOME TEH OLDS
― Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 00:36 (fifteen years ago)
hey um isnt jazmine sullivan way way way closer to jill scott than destiny's child?
This is what i was saying?
― Tim F, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 00:49 (fifteen years ago)
since when was jill scott a negative comparison?! janelle could do with being a lot more like her, particularly w/r/t ability to convey emotion
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 00:50 (fifteen years ago)
and jazmine's most comparable to mary j blige, keyshia cole, faith evans, lauryn hill, obviously, and i'm sure she's very aware of that and proud of it, BUT i think jazmine has an odd playful streak to her arrangements and songwriting that sits at odds with the all-serious-raw-emotion-all-the-time of mary j et al - it reminds me of solange more than janelle though - and that makes her a pretty singular figure within her traditionalist lineage.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 00:52 (fifteen years ago)
― Tim F, Monday, November 29, 2010 6:49 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
oh i misunderstood then. i mean dont get me wrong, i like jill scott, & a lot more than i like janelle monae
but hey look, lex wants the theater kid to portray emotion -- reverse rockism yo (or just rockism straight up)
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 00:53 (fifteen years ago)
conveying emotion = rockism?!
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 00:54 (fifteen years ago)
'faster' is one of my favorite songs this year so dismissing janelle as being unable to convey 'emotion' is just like ... why isnt jazmine playing her own instruments?? ... type stupid to me
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 00:55 (fifteen years ago)
i wish you'd stop acting as though "popism" and "rockism" mean anything any more - idk why it's me who always gets accused of one or the other. i don't care, they're meaningless terms
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 00:55 (fifteen years ago)
janelle is obvi not trying to convey emotion in the matter of a traditional R&B singer. sometimes the vibe on her album gets a little too "Lets do the time warp" to me but it also works pretty often too
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 00:56 (fifteen years ago)
i've already written like 1500 words on why the janelle album mostly doesn't work, but suffice to say that it's not just trad r&b singers who need to convey emotion, or just the sense of a song, and that even theatre kids should be expected to do this, and indeed there are plenty who do
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 00:58 (fifteen years ago)
im glad youve determined this record definitively conveys no emotion.
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 01:00 (fifteen years ago)
good!
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 01:01 (fifteen years ago)
i actually expanded on that here http://www.thesinglesjukebox.com/?p=2667
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 01:02 (fifteen years ago)
Good that their are music critics around to prove I am not experiencing what I'm experiencing.
― _Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 01:07 (fifteen years ago)
*there*
― _Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 01:08 (fifteen years ago)
(Guilty typing at work typos.)
Maybe some listeners are just too emotionally dense to get certain types of emotional expressiveness?
― _Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 01:10 (fifteen years ago)
yeah "faster" is awes, I should have separated it out for my songs list in retrospect.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 02:48 (fifteen years ago)
I still think this debate gets way too "this is like THIS" at times - one of the reasons I invoked badu above is that I know lex loves her and yet her last two records get rock crit praise on pretty similar terms to The Archandroid. Obv Erykah ain't a theatre kid but pretty much everything else holds true.
Lex would of course have no difficulty immediately drawing several distinctions between erykah and janelle - my point is not to conflate them but to say that it's in those sorts of distinctions (or indeed the distinctions between jazmine and jill) that we really start to talk about how these records work and what about their critics reception is right or wrong, rather than in more crusade-like battles for or against bold iconoclasts or keepers of R&B's eternal hollerin' flame.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 02:58 (fifteen years ago)
janelle rox, jill scott sux, u r all gay
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 04:12 (fifteen years ago)
forgot to mention, in the above list, that liars sisterworld is really fucking great. their best since they were wrong so we drowned, imo.
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 08:27 (fifteen years ago)
Try as I might, I cannot cross the line between admiring and loving the Janelle Monae album. Although I do fucking adore "Tightrope".
― mike t-diva, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 11:29 (fifteen years ago)
Is there one for 2011?
― Jung Danjah (admrl), Friday, 19 August 2011 20:09 (fourteen years ago)
There is. Search for "favorite albums 2011" and you'll find it.
― o. nate, Friday, 19 August 2011 20:40 (fourteen years ago)