Diamanda Galás

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What do you recommend starting out for getting into her? Anything in particular?

V, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Especially for someone coming from a PJ Harveyish background...

V, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I don't know if it's the best for what you want since I've heard little else, but I love Malediction and Prayer and it's not as strange or as difficult as some of her other records - her playing covers, standards, and traditional songs, accompanying herself on piano, with live audiences who are mostly made absent by the production. The only other thing I've heard is the Masque of the Red Death trilogy, which I gues impressed me but that doesn't make me want to listen to it.

Malediction does something special for me because she sounds more conventional - never really conventional, but at least not as freaky. The freaky mixed in with the not so freaky makes it all sound more powerful by way of contrast. Favorites: "The Thrill is Gone", "My World is Empty Without You", "25 Minutes to Go".

Josh, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

go for the freakier stuff - it's way more rewarding. 'plague mass' is possibly the scariest thing i've ever listened to. truly an out- of-body musical experience. that's if you can get past the cover of the thing (diamanda caked in fake blood or something similarly vulgar, looking like she's been ripped untimely from the womb). the minimal (almost negligible) musical backing only makes it spookier. it also stands up as one of the more eloquent artistic contributions to the aids discussion.

angelo, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The trilogy of AIDS-themed albums (I think "Plague Mass" is a sort of best-of comp) is pretty good, and the middle album, "Saint of the Pit," is totally, totally ace.

John Darnielle, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

you may be thinking of 'masque of the red death trilogy'. 'plague mass' is actually a live recording of two shows diamanda performed in a new york city cathedral during 1990.

angelo, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yup that's the one

John Darnielle, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

To start I'd say pick up 'plague mass', an outstanding 70-minute recording (of a live performance as others have said). I wrote about another album of hers (for FT's 102 beats that feauture), 'Schrei X' which is basically just her voice and the microphone. That was my starter, which was fine for me. Her voice is an incredible instrument, and it's wonderful to hear someone who is exploring that.

Julio Desouza, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I agree with the suggestion to go for the more extreme things she has done, not because I always say start with the most extreme, but in this case I think it is the most interesting and enjoyable of her work.

My first exposure to her was "Litanies of Satan" and "Wild Women with Steak Knives," but the CD containing those may be hard to find. (I don't own it myself, actually.) The more recent AIDS related works probably are a better starting point. (I like "Vena Cava," though it's not the sort of thing I listen to regularly.)

If you get a chance to see her live, I definitely recommend that. The recordings only partially capture the multi-media, intense, performances she gives.

DeRayMi, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I don't really like her subversive covers of other people's music. Her take on things is generally too far removed from how I think those songs should be sung (which, admitedly, may simply be based on what I am familiar with). But when she does her own thing, it's pretty impressive. I can't spend a lot of time with it, but I am glad it's there to experience.

DeRayMi, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

First time I heard her was something from the late eighties trilogy cycle -- think it was the reworking of "Let My People Go" and I was befuddled at the sound of her voice, never heard anything like it at the time, and was initially nonplussed. Time has helped me overcome such prejudice. ;-) But I don't have any of her solo work -- though the collaboration album with John Paul Jones was enjoyable!

Oddest place I've ever heard her -- as a backing vocalist on Erasure's self-titled semi-prog-rock album!

Ned Raggett, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

''don't really like her subversive covers of other people's music. Her take on things is generally too far removed from how I think those songs should be sung (which, admitedly, may simply be based on what I am familiar with).''

surely the point of a good cover version cover is to find things in a song that you thought were not there.

''Oddest place I've ever heard her -- as a backing vocalist on Erasure's self-titled semi-prog-rock album!''

you learn something from ILM every day don't you! just amazing...it probably only happenened because they were on the same label (and they both wanted it, I suppose).

Julio Desouza, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

surely the point of a good cover version cover is to find things in a song that you thought were not there.

I see your point Julio, but it's as if the songs she covers turn into caricatures of Diamanda Galas. The thing is, I'm not sure that she's finding something that is there in the song, or is superimposing something of herself onto the song. It's been a while since I've listened to her covers, so I can't get too specific. They're not bad, but I haven't found them satisfying. Find something new, yes, but completely reorient the song: maybe not. While her voice is great, somehow it seems that it belongs in the context of her own compositions. Just my take on it.

But I don't want to be too critical of her, since I'm afraid she might track me down, break into my apartment, and forcibly sodomize me some dark night. She has said in interviews that she hates her audience, so I prefer to keep my distance (though she might be favorably impressed with my Oum Kalthoum collection, as she is an admirer).

DeRayMi, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

the uncertainty you're talking about appeals to me.

Josh, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Interesting, no one's yet said they don't like her music! I quite enjoy it, especially the big trilogy (I agree her more recent stuff is paler), but I was surprised to hear such unanimity. Good show.

Matt Riedl (veal), Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

perhaps I didn't make clear enough how uninterested I am in listening to the masque trilogy. I think it has a lot to do with the thiny, tinny 80s (no wave?) production on it. if that record sounded like it was recorded in 1997 I'd be all over it though.

Josh, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Much thanks to everyone for responding. I will start off with Plague Mass, especially as it's in print here in the states and won't have to pay for an import version...though I'd like to check out parts of that Masque of the Red Death trilogy afterwards, such as You Must Be Certain of The Devil (AMG puts its "pick" mark next to Divine Punishment, but writes no review! also, they list Thurston Moore as a similar artist - neat, though I'm not sure I should take it literally). If I like what I hear I'll go for her most recent stuff like Malediction and Prayer; that debut album, Litanies of Satan, seems interesting too. Anyway, much thanks once again to eveyrone who responded. Looks like I'll be in for a devilishly good time - sorry, sorry, I had to.

V, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

seven months pass...
Somone at work loaned me a handful of WIRE samplers, plus some other compilations. Diamanda Galas's "Birds of Death" is a real stand-out on one of the WIRE samplers. I imagine this is from her work (in progress?) Defixiones, Will and Testament, which I'm quite interested in hearing. She seems to be incorporating more middle eastern vocal appraoches here, which makes sense given her subject matter (the slaughter of Armenians and Greeks by Turks).

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 22 March 2003 16:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

seven months pass...
Revive, as Defixiones, Will And Testament: Orders From The Dead is out this month... it's truly amazing. I never, ever realised how beautifully she could sing before - the opening track, 'Ter Vogormia', is thirteen minutes of heart-rending operatic crooning. Of course, it wouldn't be a Diamanda album without the freaky shit which made my housemate knock on my door to see if I was OK (and after learning that I was voluntarily listening to Diamanda, conclude that I was NOT OK), but the way she makes you feel that nothing else in the world could ever be relevant outside of her songs is unparalleled. From her interviews... she's also an amazingly inspiring person.

There's also a companion album, La Serpenta Canta, which is a collection of her blues reinterpretations we've come to expect and, uh, enjoy. It's very good as well.

The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 9 November 2003 19:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

oooh.. anybody else heard this?
Surprised nobody mentionned 'The Sporting Life' album as a prime entry-point. 'You must be certain of the devil' would also be an easy way in.

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 12 November 2003 15:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

two months pass...
I got "La Serpenta Canta" today and I am in absolute love with it. Her arrangements are wonderful, as usual, and it contains some of the most beautifully dissonant piano playing I've ever heard. Highlights for me are "Frenzy," "At the Dark End of The Street," and "Dancing in the Dark."

But I love all of it.

Salvador Saca (Mr. Xolotl), Sunday, 8 February 2004 03:04 (twenty years ago) link

Maybe I'm just a predictable wussy, but she honestly scares the shit outta me.

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Sunday, 8 February 2004 03:12 (twenty years ago) link

If you would only know...she's a sweetheart. And a very funny, intelligent woman, indeed.

Salvador Saca (Mr. Xolotl), Sunday, 8 February 2004 03:13 (twenty years ago) link

La Serpenta Canta is a cool record - she should just collaborate with Tom Waits on an opera and be done with it.

dleone (dleone), Sunday, 8 February 2004 03:40 (twenty years ago) link

I may have posted it elsewhere on ILM, but here is John Darnielle's review of all these Galas albums he wrote for me in Phoenix. Reads definitively, and like a sick fuck, I ran it on Christmas Day:

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/issues/2003-12-25/music3.html/1/index.html

Chris O., Sunday, 8 February 2004 03:45 (twenty years ago) link

My favorite pop culture ref to Galas was through a Rollins spoken word album.. i think it was the "Adventures of an Asshole" piece, where he was describing his feelings about a really obnoxious heckler in Australia when he was performing there. One of his thoughts was the idea that this guy might be at a Diamando Galas show and he imagined her "extracting.... her FIST from his mouth" as due deserves for this guy. It's just funny to me, because if there's any woman I can imagine who truly looks like she is made of liquid metal and can kick ass and takes name, it's Diamanda.

donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 8 February 2004 04:26 (twenty years ago) link

When I saw her in Brooklyn, her audience skewed towards the darg queen-ish, with her playing diva d'morte.

Great show, and terrifying too.

Ian Grey (Ian_G), Sunday, 8 February 2004 06:57 (twenty years ago) link

four months pass...
I was just listening to her Serpenta rendition of "Dancing In The Dark" and can't help but feel that, as a pianist, she's absolutely underrated. The scales on that performance---almost reaching an arpeggio effect---with their very effective and weird apoggiatura, are just mindblowing.

Salvador Saca (Mr. Xolotl), Monday, 14 June 2004 16:40 (twenty years ago) link

That makes sense. I haven't especially noticed her playing, but she's played piano in some pretty heavy collaborations.

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 14 June 2004 17:40 (twenty years ago) link

Anyone else see her like ten years ago with John Paul Jones on the old UPN Jon Stewart show? They played Skotoseme, it was awesome. I may still have a tape of that somewhere in storage...any other known talk show appearances?

AaronHz (AaronHz), Monday, 14 June 2004 19:09 (twenty years ago) link

Didn't she castrate Tom Snyder in the early 80's? Okay, maybe not.

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 14 June 2004 19:13 (twenty years ago) link

saw them play about 10 years ago. was towards the end of the tour, and she was pouring most of her energy into the piano playing, but it was incredible watching her in a full on rock band. incredible version of 'Communication Breakdown'.

the CD that combines 'Divine Punishment'/'Saint of the Pit' is still my favorite. the sustained note on 'Deliver Me From Mine Enemies'.

(Jon L), Monday, 14 June 2004 20:02 (twenty years ago) link

For some reason, I once thought of Zeppelin while listening to La Serpenta Cantata - the OTT screaming/wailing delivery of blues covers I guess, breaking into looser improv breakdowns.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 14 June 2004 21:02 (twenty years ago) link

Plague Mass is harrowing. And compelling. But mostly harrowing.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 00:12 (twenty years ago) link

*Neurotic record collector alert*

Ok this is another one of Aaron's dumb ass "is yours like mine" questions. I just got "The Mask of the Red Death" which comes in the old school fat 2-CD jewel case. I open it up (new copy) and....no booklet. Was there even one in the first place? I only ask because when you look it up on the internet, there's all these song titles that are nowhere to be found on the outside cover. So, anyone else who's got this just let me know if there's supposed to be a booklet and if so, what was in it. thanks.

This album is sick as fuck btw, but in a good way.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Saturday, 26 June 2004 21:52 (twenty years ago) link

There IS a booklet with an essay and S&M style pictures of Diamanda in leather.

Salvador Saca (Mr. Xolotl), Sunday, 27 June 2004 00:48 (twenty years ago) link

aw man, I got ripped off. Thanks for the info.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Sunday, 27 June 2004 00:58 (twenty years ago) link

two years pass...
Got hold of her first album recently -- another one of those microphone + voice + tapes deal, but v closely related to the sound poetry of Henri Chopin (and only Chopin). Never even thought of pairing them up until listening to this despite 'schrei X'. The latter, as i recall, is much more of a vocal performance.

xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Saturday, 8 July 2006 11:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I remember when she just went by her first name. "Got a Love For You" and "Make My Body Rock" were really sweet back in the day.

JTS (JTS), Saturday, 8 July 2006 19:59 (eighteen years ago) link

nine years pass...

if you are in new york this week go see her rbma set if you at all like her

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 11 May 2016 03:46 (eight years ago) link

eight months pass...

Say I'm up here, I'm starting with the amanes, then I'm going through these things – people call it "microtonal inflections" – what the fuck do they know from microtonal inflections? It's not microtones, it's complicated melodies, that's what amanes are. It's microtonal, but we don't use that word there.

Attention imago.

_Rudipherous_, Thursday, 19 January 2017 19:26 (seven years ago) link

she is a force of nature

(The caption: “fine dining.”) (DJP), Thursday, 19 January 2017 19:30 (seven years ago) link

two months pass...

Saw her last night at St. Vibianas in LA last night. Umm.... wow. Bears repeating that puny human recording tech cannot really record the full-on effect of seeing her live.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2881/33839332896_78bf02abaa.jpgDiamanda Galás @ Vibiana, Los Angeles

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2857/33839333696_608a57ec0a_z.jpgDiamanda Galás @ Vibiana

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 6 April 2017 19:55 (seven years ago) link

We'll be seeing her here Saturday -- can't wait.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 April 2017 19:55 (seven years ago) link

Let us know if "Refugee" (seen on the set list above) is the Tom Petty song.

Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and Violent J (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 6 April 2017 20:38 (seven years ago) link

Good to know she's back, and this thread reminded me of a couple of things. I still need to hear her album with John Paul Jones, and also to check---yeahhh, this is still here: Last Exit with DG and Billy Bang, live at Moers New Jazz Festival, in 1986:
http://bigozine2.com/roio/?p=1664

dow, Friday, 7 April 2017 00:43 (seven years ago) link

Last Exit with DG

!!!!!!!!

sarahell, Friday, 7 April 2017 08:39 (seven years ago) link

There's a recording from last week that has appeared on a couple of torrent sites. Not listened to it yet.

Stevolende, Friday, 7 April 2017 09:37 (seven years ago) link

five years pass...

Don’t know where to put this so: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/21/style/she-taught-new-york-to-sing.html

Wile E. Kinbote (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 April 2022 21:46 (two years ago) link

Great article, thank you for posting it!!

a legible shriek (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 22 April 2022 03:27 (two years ago) link

Sure. Love reading about people like that.

Wile E. Kinbote (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 22 April 2022 11:22 (two years ago) link

Diamanda's own comments are also worth reading:

"GUILTY!
The citizens of NY know a bug when they see one. NYC has big bugs: and they are easy to see.
Do not let anyone hand you the bulls**t line, "We must assume Lauren Pazienza is innocent until proved guilty." Cowards talk like that. They are afraid of their own vacuum cleaners.
Pazienza is guilty. Let all the rich folks she hangs with protest her innocence. Let her defense lawyer say that someone tripped and Barbara died because of it. Let him say that "pushing someone onto the sidewalk is not the same as throwing them under a train."
Listen to fools say that because she was 87 years old, that Barbara Maier, who walked miles every day, was frail. Wirey does not mean "frail."
Don't refer to Barbara as an old lady. She was anything but an old lady. She was tough. She worked ten hours a day and worked on Broadway and the theatre, and then she would go to see a student perform at the end of the day. You call that frail?
Do not be impressed with the mewings of the crawlers who say about the perpetrator, "But this is her first offense. We need to understand why." We do not need to understand why. There is no good reason.
"But she was a member in good standing among the cognoscenti. A sophisticate. An event planner!" There are plenty of the cognoscenti who should be locked up.
At the drop of a hat, a poor man or woman will be arrested and thrown in jail for what? For holding some painkillers.
This is a murder.
The clothes Pazienza wore at the killing are the same clothes she wore entering her boyfriend's building hours later. She hid out at her parents' house until her lawyer convinced her that turning herself in would enable a lighter sentence.
If anyone one feels strongly about seeing her released, you have only to help with the bail money. Put up your house!
Did she forget to take her Prozac that day? That's the reason!
The Post just referred to her as a fiery redhead. I guess The Post thinks that murderesses are sex objects.
There is far too much evidence that Pazienza is a killer.
Think of the blood of an innocent woman. Think of Barbara Maier and her suffering on those last days in the hospital.
Think of how much she gave the city of New York. She is missed by hundreds of people who are wondering how to continue their lives without her.
And do not spread your "reasonable doubts" around the city because you have nothing else to do. There is a jury in the city. They don't need to hear that caterwauling.
Heavy time was named after persons like Lauren Pazienza.
COME, JUSTICE."

atonar, Friday, 22 April 2022 11:45 (two years ago) link

I just glanced at Barbara M’s FB page but can’t deal with it at the moment.

Wile E. Kinbote (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 22 April 2022 12:30 (two years ago) link

Okay, clicked through some of her photos and came across one of her with a jazz singer I've seen and it brought it that much closer to home, not that the story didn't already hit home.

Wile E. Kinbote (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 22 April 2022 13:04 (two years ago) link

Diamanda is about the last person on earth I would want to have really, really mad at me

chr1sb3singer, Friday, 22 April 2022 13:47 (two years ago) link

I think I read an article, or heard an interview, where somebody asked "what do you do to unwind?" and her response was, "I sit cross-legged on the floor of my living room, close my eyes, and manifest terrible things upon my enemies."

a legible shriek (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 22 April 2022 14:24 (two years ago) link

One of my favorite Diamanda quotes comes from Eugene Robinson of Oxbow; he asked her to collaborate and she responded "your voice sucks, your band sucks and you have small hands." As one would after being on the receiving end of such a blast, he quotes her frequently.

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 22 April 2022 14:34 (two years ago) link

"Diamanda is about the last person on earth I would want to have really, really mad at me"

--- the most otm thing ever posted to ILX

thinkmanship (sleeve), Saturday, 23 April 2022 05:35 (two years ago) link

I'll always wonder if that was actually her i sat next to in the balcony at the SWANS ULU show that became Public Castration Is A Good Idea.
Looked like her and i was coming down from speed. Which also meant i missed most of the Mark Stewart & The Maffia set that was the support.
I thyink she was London based at the time cos Kid Congo had been painting her flat a bit earlier in I think the same year.

The article/interview in Forcedexposure was quite revelatory. Probably had some of the same info appear in other interviews since but I think that was the first in depth one I'd read with her. Talking about her past and things like her being married to John French of Beefheart fame etc.

I do enjoy her This Sporting Life collaboration with JOhn Paul Jones & The Singer was fun .
THink I still need to get physical copies of cds of her main works though.

Stevolende, Saturday, 23 April 2022 09:02 (two years ago) link

off topic but i'd have loved to have been at that ULU gig. i saw the edinburgh date of that tour but alas no Mark Stewart & The Maffia. i'm seeing Mark Stewart & The Maffia on Sunday but have a feeling it will be a lot tamer than the '86 incarnation.

last time i saw Diamanda Galas they announced nobody would be allowed to leave once the performance started. long before half way through several people were begging to be let out, to no avail.

stirmonster, Saturday, 23 April 2022 09:59 (two years ago) link

I saw her in 2018 for the first time and thought the show was a little mild, but I chalked it up to her age and can’t quite sustain the vocal intensity of the 1980s. Still a good show though.

DAMAGED by Black Flat (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 23 April 2022 11:34 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

A really good New York Times profile just landed, which reminds me that I don't think I ever posted my 2019 interview with her on ILX. I wanted to use the full interview as an episode of my podcast, but I let her hear it first and she said no. I didn't argue.

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 3 June 2022 18:32 (two years ago) link

haha smart man

Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 3 June 2022 18:41 (two years ago) link

Amazing, thanks for the heads up

a legible shriek (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 3 June 2022 20:14 (two years ago) link

i had to go and listen to Saint Of The Pit after reading that. it sounds ever more incredible as the years go by. i feel CLEANSED.

stirmonster, Friday, 3 June 2022 20:42 (two years ago) link

That Last Exit Moers set I mentioned on here several years ago, also with Billy Bang's electric violin, is really hot---she doesn't sing on all of it, but makes her imprint for sure---you get the whole thing if you subscribe to Laswell's bandcamp for $22 a month---or choose the Unperson Plan: sign up, take alll the rare goodies in one month, then cancel:
https://billlaswell.bandcamp.com/album/moers (BL also has some freebie streams, like this year's 24-bit Ask The Ages)

dow, Saturday, 4 June 2022 03:57 (two years ago) link

four months pass...

her new "Broken Gargoyles" album is insanely great and terrifying, Happy Halloween

https://diamandagalas.bandcamp.com/album/broken-gargoyles

sleeve, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 00:44 (two years ago) link

Was listening to Hal Willner's Weird Nightmare: Meditations On Mingus today and there's a track where Leonard Cohen reads Mingus's poem "The Chill of Death" while Galás wails like a ghost in the background.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 1 November 2022 00:58 (two years ago) link


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