moby - the nightmare continues...

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look what he done now!

minna, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

you don't have to read all that though - the crux of it is this bit:

"Keith has been saying that every Rolling Stones song was written because they were jamming on an old blues song. So, essentially, they were sampling old blues music before samplers were even invented. I met Keith and he wasn't too happy to meet me. He felt I was plagiarising the past. And I loved the Stones, but they plagiarised the past. Keith's son, Marlon, is a friendly acquaintance of mine. I saw him recently and he said, 'Keith finally listened to your record, and as a result of it he went out and bought a sampler and a sequencer, and he and Sheryl Crow have been working together on electronic music'. The great scheme of poetic justice."

what devil is this?

minna, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I admit I'm not seeing much different here than in interviews elsewhere recently...

Ned Raggett, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ah, the danger of posting too soon. ;-)

Yeah, I read that and figured that if Paul McCartney and Eric Clapton can try it, so can they. But the problem is they'll inflict it on the world (but less Sheryl Crow in past Sheryl Crow mode, no matter what Tom says, is a good thing).

Ned Raggett, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

But didn't Paul and Eric at least work with already famous electronic artists (i.e. people who knew what they were doing)? Sheryl Crow and Keith working together is the blind leading the blind, which doesn't look too thrilling.

Vinnie, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Keef has earned the right to do whatever the fuck he wants, in my mind. And I too have a soft spot in my heart for Sheryl Crow. Her self-titled album is gorgeous.

Yancey, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Why do we continue to refer to this person "moby" as if he is somehow worthy of any kind of public attention?

Manny Parsons, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Moby's made some quite good records and some very bad records. 'Play' is alright (mostly), '18' sounds like 'Play' but worse. 'Go' is still a classic dance track as is 'Move' - bit cheesy but why not, still miles better than Scooter and all that crap.

But if he's inspired Keith and Sheryl Crow to make some electronic stuff then perhaps its time to worry (if it wasnt already)

, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"Go" is classic indeed (and BTW look for the recent remixes by the Trance Allstars project = ATB, Taucher, Schiller, Mellow-D, Sunbeam and Talla 2xlc. All of them are very interesting.). "Move" however is crap. Cheesy, boring AND badly produced (it's terribly flat). Nearly everything Scooter did is better.

Siegbran Hetteson, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oh no, I agree with Moby.

bnw, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"You certainly can't fault his honesty and good intentions."

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Norman Phay, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"Feeling So Real" - uplifting Rave anthem or what!

Lek Dukagjin, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oh c'mon... it's just TOO EASY to criticize Moby. At least he's not some sort of thuggish twat with a small pecker rambling on about women being "his bitches" and swigging on a 40 ounce beer. Personally, I'm not going to be truly happy until someone like Ja Rule or Kid Rock is raped on the lawn of Jerry Falwell by the crew of Pansy Division.... um, on live television.... on the Christian Broadcasting Network during prime time. So there. :burps: Oh yeah, I said it.

maria, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

he's in that category of bands/ artists who only have one good song but the 1 good song is really great. 'honey' is his.

piscesboy, Saturday, 3 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I agree with maria.

Lord Custos III, Saturday, 3 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Subthread: Is Moby the Phil Collins of the Electronica Era? (ie. safe, eeezy listening by a boring little bald guy?)

Lord Custos III, Saturday, 3 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

He really is a loathesome shit, isnt he? Moby, I mean, not Pheeeel (well, I mean Pheeel at well). I self-censored the reveiw of his latest turd out of the next Organ because I felt it was a little over the top but now wish I'd left it after reading that. Despicable Macmusic. Beh... Beh... woomahh all fucking day from my neigbour's window..

marina orga, Saturday, 3 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I don't hate him as much as hate what pop criticism has made him out to be... if all the fawning critics were instead saying "moby makes easy listening music that people seem to enjoy" and the people themselves were saying "moby makes easy listening music that I enjoy" then maybe many who hate him currently would only dislike him... A good example is his relationship to techno... in many interviews that I have read, he states quite clearly that he doesn't make techno... nobody seems to listen, and instead you get writers saying shit like "moby is the human face of techno." And then all the techno/house/electronic people, as well as those who simply know what the aforementioned categories actually consist of, cringe and shudder and get (rightfully) pissy.

In the US, techno music (as opposed to the rave scene and associated drugs) is only going to get a certain small amount of coverage in the mainstream media, and when a disproportionate share (ie virtually all) of the attention goes to somebody that admits to not making techno, many are more interested in blaming moby instead of all the writers who couldn't be bothered to explore techno before writing about it...

the result of all of the above is that a guy who makes easy listening music suddenly has a million microphones in his face, and instead of availing himself of all the cliches that most rock stars use, he talks about other things... and he is boring, and sometimes arrogant, and that is all...

I don't like his music, but I think he would be nowhere without the hype, which is more due to historical circumstance (rock critics don't know what to do when rock is mdeiocre, so they embrace moby instead of, say, Timbaland, who should have been on the cover of that New York Times magazine months ago...), then anything else. Juan Atkins said in the Wire long ago that many were still unwilling to see black people as artists instead of entertainers, and in the case of mainstream media coverage of techno in america (which rarely admits that techno originated in detroit), I still think there is *some* truth to this (obv. jazz/hiphop is different story...) hence: Moby. I would like to reiterate that I am only discussing mainstream, general reader publications. Don't bother writing me to say that URB knows techno is from detroit.

Sorry for long post hope it was worth the time...

Aaron G!, Saturday, 3 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

oops! I know how to spell "mediocre."

Aaron G!, Saturday, 3 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ja Rule writes love songs fer chrissake.

Sterling Clover, Monday, 5 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

In what way is Moby easy listening? Is it the audience which he attracts or is it the music he makes? As it doesn't seem any softer or harder to my ears than say Carl Craig or Kevin Saunderson's work.

FWIW any interview I've saw which has Moby he comes across as a funny, wryly self effacing, charming gentleman. I'd say he comes across as one of the least arrogant people in popular music. Maybe he's just good at dissembling. In that case he's bloody good at it. Lord knows what scale of arrogance Richard Ashcroft or Liam Gallagher would come in at.

Billy Dods, Monday, 5 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I perceive Moby as ez list. because I don't find the emotional depth in his records compared to Saunderson or Craig. There are certainly certain cliched sounds that connote "deepness" in techno/house, and the best and worst records can sometimes use the same sounds. Moby picks the sounds that connote a certain feeling, but I am not convinced he feels the way his sounds describe. I am not a rockist looking for authenticity, as much as I am simply someone who detects bad faith. Even if he feels the emotions his music describes, the music never transcends his own sadness (mostly self-pity from my experience reading interviews). I don't feel from Moby's music that he is even trying to relate to anyone, though this is certainly a very subjective opinion on my part.

As for arrogance, it is there, though subtle, and certainly a different kind of arrogance than most popstars. It seems that every little thing that happens to Moby is important (who else gets press coverage for being bitten by a cat, and who else makes such a big deal of it?). He is arrogant to me because he seems to think that every opinion he has is worth sharing simply because they are his. I have no problem with him or anyone else sharing opinions, but the way he does it gets on my nerves. Self-deprecating humor is sometimes used solely to gain compliments...

Aaron G!, Monday, 5 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

In what way is Moby easy listening? Is it the audience which he attracts or is it the music he makes? As it doesn't seem any softer or harder to my ears than say Carl Craig or Kevin Saunderson's work.

I dunno. I think Carl Craig is definitely less easy listening than Moby. Aside from the actual timbral element of their respective work, what is the difference between the underlying musical ideas of their work. Moby is definitely more easy listening in the sense that he is not challenging himself or his listeners with his albums, whereas Carl Craig is pushing into new areas.

Most people are not going to like the Carl Craig album because it is not there simply to entertain. It is challenging and you need to take time to get your head around it. Moby on the other hand is making very simple music that fits into people preconcived notions of what music should be. Craig is trying to expand his voice and is letting you come along for the ride, and moby is just giving the people what they want.

Giving the people what they want = easy listening

mt, Sunday, 11 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

On that logic then Slayer or Nelly (for example) are easy listening.

Billy Dods, Sunday, 11 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Why bother with definitions? Moby's tracks are on nearly every Ibiza Lounge compilation. Which should be enough reason to put him in the 'easy listening' category.

Siegbran Hetteson, Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I used to like Moby - even Play. Then I heard that God Damned "We Are All Made of Stars", and given that I didn't particularly care for Depeche Mode the first time around, I unlimbered the cannons :)

James Cobo, Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The live version of "We Are All Made Of Stars" he did on SNL was kind of great, actually. Completely made up for the lacklustre album version for me.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"We Are All Made of Stars" = Depeche Mode?! You wound me, Mr. Cobo. :(

Vinnie, Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link


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