These mixes would often be epic - Propaganda, Frankie Goes To Hollywood, Grace Jones, the Pet Shop Boys: all released 12" mixes which were not stripping-down or reworking the original but massively bulking it up, making musical 'director's cuts' so to speak. I love those kind of records. But that kind of thing seems to be dead now in the age of the multiple, dancefloor oriented remix (much closer to the tinkering principles of dub).
Is it really dead? What were your favourites? And on the 'destroy' side of things you had the likes of Ben Liebrand, so talk about that too.
― Tom, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― maria, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― mr noodles, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Michael Bourke, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
DESTROY: "She Sells Sanctuary - Howling Mix" by the Cult. Billy Duffy's chiming guitars are cut up and sloppily spliced in favour of entirely hokey wolf howls. Dire.
I actually don't mind the 12" version of "Ball of Confusion" by Love & Rockets.
― Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
new order, of course!
jimmy jam and terry lewis productions.
"express yourself" and other madonna club mixes (well not all of them, but you know, the good ones.)
too many hiphop 12"s to name.
― jess (who is trying desperately not to mention the names arthur russell, tom mou, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I remember "Born in the USA" had dubby vocals so it would echo out "USA Usa usa..." over and over, with super pumped up drums (like they weren't already.) My memory of all them was that they were pretty bad, actually.
I also recall reading an interview w/ Springsteen at the time and he said he heard a club remix of "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun" and thought it was incredible, so he brought the same guy in to rework the Born in the USA singles.
― Mark, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Daniel, Friday, 9 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Siegbran Hetteson, Friday, 9 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― ed, Friday, 9 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
The best example is New Order's "Bizarre Love Triangle".. where it was a successful single, but made popular mainly thru the extended mix... (I have to defer to the album version being my favorite actually, but many would disagree)
Cameo's "Word Up" and Dead Or Alive's "You Spin Me Round" had rather amazing remixes too.
― donut bitch, Friday, 9 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― PJ Miller, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
yeah maybe, but his 10-minute mix of Fun Fun's 'Happy Station' is a true masterpiece.
Also great: Propaganda's 'P:Machinery'.
― Omar, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Billy Dods, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― mark s, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 23:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
Also, the 12" mix of "I Would Die 4 U": 10+ minutes of the Revolution just fucking jamming and wailing away. Perfection.
― Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 23:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
Slave to the Rhythm is a great extended version by Trevor Horn.
― Jedmond, Wednesday, 28 January 2004 11:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 12:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
Anyhow, the 12" mix of "E=MC2" Big Audio Dynamite, by oh god what was his name? It might actually have been called "The director's cut mix"...
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 12:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 12:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
(must search out that Yes 12" that Billy mentioned. the Steve Lipson single remix is being included as a bonus track on the forthcoming 90125 CD reissue, but not the T.Horn mix. d'oh!)
― zebedee (zebedee), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 12:53 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sasha (sgh), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 15:09 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 16:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
Destroy: I don't know.
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 21:47 (twenty-one years ago) link
― pisces (piscesx), Sunday, 11 February 2007 13:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tannenbaum Schmidt, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:29 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tantrum The Cat, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:40 (seventeen years ago) link
This thread isn't nearly definitive (or more bluntly: long) enough for my purposes.
David Cassidy - Romance:Such a slight adjustment to the original - the dancier, bongo-assisted groove, that hesitant bassline, the removal of the chintzier parts of the chorus - but these slight shifts in emphasis turn the tune from "Hungry Eyes" into "The Downtown Lights".
― Tim F, Saturday, 10 July 2010 06:43 (fourteen years ago) link
The Commodores - Nightshift:I love the gentleness and generosity of this tune in any form, but that slight hint of exotic grit that the attenuated tropical percussion gives it on the 12 inch mix just makes its spectral, wistful quality even sharper. At any rate 7 graceful minutes is the perfect length for this tune. (youtube linked)
― Tim F, Saturday, 10 July 2010 06:54 (fourteen years ago) link
Search: Ultra Vivid Scene's 'Mercy Seat'. completely unfamiliar every time you hear it until 2 or 3 minutes in when he introduces things that you vaguely recognise before it morphs quite quickly but very naturally into the familiar short version.
Destroy: Siouxsie and the Banshee's 'Dazzle'. probably groundbreaking at the time but the digital stuttering now just sounds like a problem with the cd.
― koogs, Saturday, 10 July 2010 07:11 (fourteen years ago) link
Search: Visage "Fade To Grey" as appears on this s/t release: http://www.discogs.com/Visage-Visage/release/1519201
Destroy: Visage "Fade To Grey" as appears on the "Fade To Grey" 12-inch single. As one Discogs user said: "The song simply repeat itself twice. There's only one cut just before the chorus repeats to fade out, straight to the first verse, and goes again till the ends. that's it. What's the point of releasing a 12" if it doesn't contain a 12" version? I could never understood that."
― one time gaffled 'em up (one time), Saturday, 10 July 2010 07:26 (fourteen years ago) link
kajagoogoo "too shy" (midnight mix) -- already possessing the all time coolest intro of any song ever, the dreamy backwards guitar middle 8 gets extended, the italo bass synths and misty pads are accentuated and the reverb and subtly chorused snare are given more space to breathe. it's all about those intertwining guitar/piano flourishes during the first couple of minutes. nick rhodes must've been levitating behind the desk when they made this
― 不合作的方式 (r1o natsume), Saturday, 10 July 2010 16:45 (fourteen years ago) link
best thing about these is that they can often be found for little under a couple of pounds in every charity shop/record exchange/boot sale across the land
― 不合作的方式 (r1o natsume), Saturday, 10 July 2010 16:47 (fourteen years ago) link
bronski beat "smalltown boy" -- incredible beatless extended intro
― 不合作的方式 (r1o natsume), Saturday, 10 July 2010 17:01 (fourteen years ago) link
and if anyone's interested i made a dj mix that collects some fav 12" synth pop mixes and stuff last year
http://fairtilizer.com/track/25762
1. bronski beat "infatuation"2. paul haig "heaven sent"3. new order "i don't care"4. fleetwood mac "family party (bonus beats)"5. a flock of seagulls "rosenmontag"6. ryuichi sakamoto ft. thomas dolby "fieldwork"7. ministry "over the shoulder"8. depeche mode "(set me free) remotivate me (release mix)"9. severed heads "propellor"10. gabi delgado "victim"11. pet shop boys "rent (francois k dub)"
― 不合作的方式 (r1o natsume), Saturday, 10 July 2010 17:05 (fourteen years ago) link
the breakdown in that thomas dolby 12" mix of "fieldwork" is where sakamoto invents microhouse btw
― 不合作的方式 (r1o natsume), Saturday, 10 July 2010 17:14 (fourteen years ago) link
feelin night shift 12". i recently really got into that 'everybody wants to rule the world' 12"
― blap...tremendo (deej), Saturday, 10 July 2010 17:45 (fourteen years ago) link
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Prince - most of his 12" mixes, but especially "I Would Die 4 U" and "I Wish U Heaven", which are radically different from the album versions and all the much better. "America" and "Mountains" are also fun, though basically they just add some extended jamming to the album version (with "America" the jamming goes on for over 20 minutes).
DESTROY
Prince - "Paisley Park" and "Kiss". These 12" mixes just add some extra grooves to the beginning or end of the album version, but don't really change or improve the basic song in any way. "Kiss" is particularly bad, because the album version has a perfect ending, whereas the 12" mix just picks up from there and goes on for too long, ending with some goofy but pointless dialogue.
― Tuomas, Saturday, 10 July 2010 21:46 (fourteen years ago) link
the 12" of 'never take the place of your man' is dumb too. and same w/ 'glamorous life.' its like he had no idea that when u make ppl wait and wait and wait for three-four minutes at the end of a jam u ... have to bring back the hook!! you dont just fade out. the first time i played the glam life 12" i hadnt listened in advance & just cleared by dancefloor by the end ... im like .. wait wheres the chorus?? man fukk u prince!!
― blap...tremendo (deej), Saturday, 10 July 2010 21:55 (fourteen years ago) link
the best prince extended mix is far and away the 10 minute version of "mountains", the beat just goes on and on whilst each band member takes a solo -- i especially love the bittersweet synth chords that come in towards the end. causes absolute mayhem on the dancefloor, more so than any other club mixes of his trax. just completely giddying and ecstatic
― 不合作的方式 (r1o natsume), Saturday, 10 July 2010 22:02 (fourteen years ago) link
also mega classic for prince's echoed yelling at the start: "hey you! get out on this dancefloor!". so perfect for taking a party to the next level
― 不合作的方式 (r1o natsume), Saturday, 10 July 2010 22:08 (fourteen years ago) link
The "Mountains" 12" suffers from the exact problem Deej mentions above - after the part heard on the album is over, it's just instrumental jamming for 5 more minutes, the chorus never returns. I agree with Deej that it's kinda dancefloor-unfriendly, plus "Mountains" has one of my favourite Prince choruses ever, I would've wanted to hear it at least once more.
― Tuomas, Saturday, 10 July 2010 22:50 (fourteen years ago) link
glad to see this revived, I love this style of music and am particularly obsessed with instrumental versions.
some searches:
Bruce Springsteen - Cover Me (Arthur Baker remix)Bangles - Walk Like An Egyptian instrumental B-sideDanielle Dax - Whistling For His Love (7" radio remix, but on the 12" like lots of them)Brian Eno - Ali Click (Trance Mix - Long)Janet Jackson - Black Cat (Funky 12" mix)Shriekback - Mercy Dash extendedRolling Stones - Miss YouBeck - Mixed Bizness (Cornelius remix)Siouxsie - Kiss Them For Me 7" mixTalking Heads - Television Man extendedXTC - Grass (cause of the clean end)
destroy:Blondie - Heart Of Glass/Rapture, the same tacked-on endings folks mentioned above.The The - Uncertain Smile (ditto)
― bug holocaust (sleeve), Saturday, 10 July 2010 23:18 (fourteen years ago) link
what kind of fucking parties are you going to where "mountains" extended mix is considered dancefloor unfriendly???
― 不合作的方式 (r1o natsume), Sunday, 11 July 2010 10:30 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah "uncertain smile" album mix >>>>> 12" mix
depeche mode "master & servant" (slavery mix) is pretty wild, elongates the schaffel outro of the 7" mix and ends with a blues acapella version of the chorus. depeche always have amazing 12" mixes of their singles
― 不合作的方式 (r1o natsume), Sunday, 11 July 2010 11:42 (fourteen years ago) link
the 12" mix of "uncertain smile" doesn't really have a tacked-on ending, but it's a completely different mix to the album version. the drums sound completely different, the guitar riff is backgrounded and sounds more reverby and less chimy, it has synth-horns and a flute, a completely different vocal take, and replaces jools holland's insane piano solo at the end with a sax
― 不合作的方式 (r1o natsume), Sunday, 11 July 2010 11:50 (fourteen years ago) link
new order "perfect kiss" -- has that amazing vocodered version of the chorus towards the end
alexander o'neal "the lovers" -- the only way to improve upon perfection is to make it last for longer! has those fucking awesome syncopated white noise solos
― 不合作的方式 (r1o natsume), Sunday, 11 July 2010 12:01 (fourteen years ago) link
um not "perfect kiss", i meant "bizarre love triangle". i really should go to bed
― 不合作的方式 (r1o natsume), Sunday, 11 July 2010 12:03 (fourteen years ago) link
drum programming on 12" mix of "perfect kiss" is insane
― 不合作的方式 (r1o natsume), Sunday, 11 July 2010 12:04 (fourteen years ago) link