12" Mixes: Search And Destroy

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Also 'extended versions' etc. During the 80s you would often get a release strategy where a single came out on 7" (this was the original mix) and then would be extended to fill a 12", generally with a mix for 'the clubs'.

These mixes would often be epic - Propaganda, Frankie Goes To Hollywood, Grace Jones, the Pet Shop Boys: all released 12" mixes which were not stripping-down or reworking the original but massively bulking it up, making musical 'director's cuts' so to speak. I love those kind of records. But that kind of thing seems to be dead now in the age of the multiple, dancefloor oriented remix (much closer to the tinkering principles of dub).

Is it really dead? What were your favourites? And on the 'destroy' side of things you had the likes of Ben Liebrand, so talk about that too.

Tom, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The night versions from Duran Duran's first two releases! All the way baby! :)

maria, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Search: Tomas Dolby - Hyperactive 12" in particular stands out as a huge improvement. Doesn't feel over extended and almost sounds fresh compared to modern dance radio.
destroy: recent New Order 12" for Crystal (I just didnt like the remixes at all), old Love and Rockets - Ball of Confusion remixes for the utter pointless extensions.

mr noodles, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"Apollo 9"-Adam Ant

Michael Bourke, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

SEARCH: "Eighties-Serious Dance Mix" by Killing Joke, wherein Geordie Walker's signature sinestro guitar is excised, revealing Paul Raven's sparse, pounding bass. Mammoth!

DESTROY: "She Sells Sanctuary - Howling Mix" by the Cult. Billy Duffy's chiming guitars are cut up and sloppily spliced in favour of entirely hokey wolf howls. Dire.

I actually don't mind the 12" version of "Ball of Confusion" by Love & Rockets.

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

search ztt and related as tom mentioned...trevor horn could cut a 12".

new order, of course!

jimmy jam and terry lewis productions.

"express yourself" and other madonna club mixes (well not all of them, but you know, the good ones.)

too many hiphop 12"s to name.

jess (who is trying desperately not to mention the names arthur russell, tom mou, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm specifically talking about tracks that were best-known/best- selling in a 7" format but whose 12"s were brilliant (or dire), rather than the Russell/Moulton/Gibbons stuff that AFAIK started life on 12" (and are also ace).

Tom, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I've mentioned this elsewhere, but every single released from Springsteen's Born in the USA had a 12-inch club single version (and I bought all of them! Don't know where they are now, though.) They were collected in a box, too, I saw it at a record show.

I remember "Born in the USA" had dubby vocals so it would echo out "USA Usa usa..." over and over, with super pumped up drums (like they weren't already.) My memory of all them was that they were pretty bad, actually.

I also recall reading an interview w/ Springsteen at the time and he said he heard a club remix of "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun" and thought it was incredible, so he brought the same guy in to rework the Born in the USA singles.

Mark, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

This Charming Man!!! Kiss Me (Stephen Duffy)!!!

Daniel, Friday, 9 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The 12" mix of Foreigners I Want To Know What Love Is is even more overblown than the 7". Whether that is good news depends on your taste though...

Siegbran Hetteson, Friday, 9 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Prince - Raspberry beret. It basically the same but with an awesome 2- 3 minute intro that is probably better than the rest of the song (especially the bit where he coughs).

ed, Friday, 9 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Dear god, Tom... so many good answers... but off the top of my head, the Ecstacy mix of ABC's "Be Near Me" is this wah-wah-y Keith LeBlanc drum assault of the gods.

The best example is New Order's "Bizarre Love Triangle".. where it was a successful single, but made popular mainly thru the extended mix... (I have to defer to the album version being my favorite actually, but many would disagree)

Cameo's "Word Up" and Dead Or Alive's "You Spin Me Round" had rather amazing remixes too.

donut bitch, Friday, 9 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

King's 'Love and Pride' is a big favourite of mine.

PJ Miller, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

the likes of Ben Liebrand

yeah maybe, but his 10-minute mix of Fun Fun's 'Happy Station' is a true masterpiece.

Also great: Propaganda's 'P:Machinery'.

Omar, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Leave it by Yes. Trevor Horn turns lead into gold and makes a floor fillingpiece of electro at the same time.

Billy Dods, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

somewhere i have a lloyd cole 12" remixed by coldcut!!

mark s, Saturday, 10 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one year passes...
This thread ended perfectly but I'd like to revive it anyway in honour of my finally finding the Pet Shop Boys "Left To My Own Devices (Disco Mix)" that I've been looking for for ten years (!) since hearing it on my mate Danny's cassingle (!) of LTMOD. It was and still is one of the greatest pieces of pop music I have ever heard in my life.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 23:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Fuck yeah, Tico!

Also, the 12" mix of "I Would Die 4 U": 10+ minutes of the Revolution just fucking jamming and wailing away. Perfection.

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 23:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

one month passes...
I would pretty much search any Prince extended version as he added new lyrics, breakdowns and instrumentation - I Wish U Heaven (pts 1, 2, & 3) great example, and for pure funk the La La La, Hee Hee Hee (the bside to Sign of The Times) is mindblowing.

Slave to the Rhythm is a great extended version by Trevor Horn.

Jedmond, Wednesday, 28 January 2004 11:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Cure's "Why Can't I Be You" 12" mix is absolutely bloody fantastic, so much so that I paid a frankly extortionate (to my 16 year-old self) £15 for it in 1992.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 12:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

I remember getting that as a pre-release 12" for £3, and thinking it was rub by comparison.

Anyhow, the 12" mix of "E=MC2" Big Audio Dynamite, by oh god what was his name? It might actually have been called "The director's cut mix"...

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 12:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

E = MC² (70 mm wide Screen remix) .. That was the one.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 12:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

roxy music - angel eyes
siouxsie and the banshees - spellbound
bronski beat - why?

(must search out that Yes 12" that Billy mentioned. the Steve Lipson single remix is being included as a bonus track on the forthcoming 90125 CD reissue, but not the T.Horn mix. d'oh!)

zebedee (zebedee), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 12:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

Soft Cell's 'Soul Inside' EP is worth getting for the extended single of 'Numbers'...

Sasha (sgh), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 15:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

Wot Sasha sez -- indeed most of the 12" versions they put out (handily collected on a three CD set these days) are fantastic. The intro to the extended "What?" is spectacular.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 16:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

Search: the really long version of Two Tribes where they say their own names.

Destroy: I don't know.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 21:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

three years pass...
insecure me - soft cell.

pisces (piscesx), Sunday, 11 February 2007 13:44 (seventeen years ago) link

extended 12" version of A-ha's "CryWolf". Its proto-DFA by my reckoning.

Tannenbaum Schmidt, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I second Alex In NYC on Thomas Dolby's "Hyperactive" - it actually improves on the original. I love the acapella vocoder intro - "South Bronx - hyperactivate", etc, etc - it makes me think that whomever was responsible was a big "Planet Rock" fan.

Tantrum The Cat, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:40 (seventeen years ago) link

three years pass...

This thread isn't nearly definitive (or more bluntly: long) enough for my purposes.

David Cassidy - Romance:
Such a slight adjustment to the original - the dancier, bongo-assisted groove, that hesitant bassline, the removal of the chintzier parts of the chorus - but these slight shifts in emphasis turn the tune from "Hungry Eyes" into "The Downtown Lights".

Tim F, Saturday, 10 July 2010 06:43 (fourteen years ago) link

The Commodores - Nightshift:
I love the gentleness and generosity of this tune in any form, but that slight hint of exotic grit that the attenuated tropical percussion gives it on the 12 inch mix just makes its spectral, wistful quality even sharper. At any rate 7 graceful minutes is the perfect length for this tune. (youtube linked)

Tim F, Saturday, 10 July 2010 06:54 (fourteen years ago) link

Search: Ultra Vivid Scene's 'Mercy Seat'. completely unfamiliar every time you hear it until 2 or 3 minutes in when he introduces things that you vaguely recognise before it morphs quite quickly but very naturally into the familiar short version.

Destroy: Siouxsie and the Banshee's 'Dazzle'. probably groundbreaking at the time but the digital stuttering now just sounds like a problem with the cd.

koogs, Saturday, 10 July 2010 07:11 (fourteen years ago) link

Search: Visage "Fade To Grey" as appears on this s/t release: http://www.discogs.com/Visage-Visage/release/1519201

Destroy: Visage "Fade To Grey" as appears on the "Fade To Grey" 12-inch single. As one Discogs user said: "The song simply repeat itself twice. There's only one cut just before the chorus repeats to fade out, straight to the first verse, and goes again till the ends. that's it. What's the point of releasing a 12" if it doesn't contain a 12" version? I could never understood that."

one time gaffled 'em up (one time), Saturday, 10 July 2010 07:26 (fourteen years ago) link

kajagoogoo "too shy" (midnight mix) -- already possessing the all time coolest intro of any song ever, the dreamy backwards guitar middle 8 gets extended, the italo bass synths and misty pads are accentuated and the reverb and subtly chorused snare are given more space to breathe. it's all about those intertwining guitar/piano flourishes during the first couple of minutes. nick rhodes must've been levitating behind the desk when they made this

不合作的方式 (r1o natsume), Saturday, 10 July 2010 16:45 (fourteen years ago) link

best thing about these is that they can often be found for little under a couple of pounds in every charity shop/record exchange/boot sale across the land

不合作的方式 (r1o natsume), Saturday, 10 July 2010 16:47 (fourteen years ago) link

bronski beat "smalltown boy" -- incredible beatless extended intro

不合作的方式 (r1o natsume), Saturday, 10 July 2010 17:01 (fourteen years ago) link

and if anyone's interested i made a dj mix that collects some fav 12" synth pop mixes and stuff last year

http://fairtilizer.com/track/25762

1. bronski beat "infatuation"
2. paul haig "heaven sent"
3. new order "i don't care"
4. fleetwood mac "family party (bonus beats)"
5. a flock of seagulls "rosenmontag"
6. ryuichi sakamoto ft. thomas dolby "fieldwork"
7. ministry "over the shoulder"
8. depeche mode "(set me free) remotivate me (release mix)"
9. severed heads "propellor"
10. gabi delgado "victim"
11. pet shop boys "rent (francois k dub)"

不合作的方式 (r1o natsume), Saturday, 10 July 2010 17:05 (fourteen years ago) link

the breakdown in that thomas dolby 12" mix of "fieldwork" is where sakamoto invents microhouse btw

不合作的方式 (r1o natsume), Saturday, 10 July 2010 17:14 (fourteen years ago) link

feelin night shift 12". i recently really got into that 'everybody wants to rule the world' 12"

blap...tremendo (deej), Saturday, 10 July 2010 17:45 (fourteen years ago) link

SEARCH

Prince - most of his 12" mixes, but especially "I Would Die 4 U" and "I Wish U Heaven", which are radically different from the album versions and all the much better. "America" and "Mountains" are also fun, though basically they just add some extended jamming to the album version (with "America" the jamming goes on for over 20 minutes).

DESTROY

Prince - "Paisley Park" and "Kiss". These 12" mixes just add some extra grooves to the beginning or end of the album version, but don't really change or improve the basic song in any way. "Kiss" is particularly bad, because the album version has a perfect ending, whereas the 12" mix just picks up from there and goes on for too long, ending with some goofy but pointless dialogue.

Tuomas, Saturday, 10 July 2010 21:46 (fourteen years ago) link

the 12" of 'never take the place of your man' is dumb too. and same w/ 'glamorous life.' its like he had no idea that when u make ppl wait and wait and wait for three-four minutes at the end of a jam u ... have to bring back the hook!! you dont just fade out. the first time i played the glam life 12" i hadnt listened in advance & just cleared by dancefloor by the end ... im like .. wait wheres the chorus?? man fukk u prince!!

blap...tremendo (deej), Saturday, 10 July 2010 21:55 (fourteen years ago) link

the best prince extended mix is far and away the 10 minute version of "mountains", the beat just goes on and on whilst each band member takes a solo -- i especially love the bittersweet synth chords that come in towards the end. causes absolute mayhem on the dancefloor, more so than any other club mixes of his trax. just completely giddying and ecstatic

不合作的方式 (r1o natsume), Saturday, 10 July 2010 22:02 (fourteen years ago) link

also mega classic for prince's echoed yelling at the start: "hey you! get out on this dancefloor!". so perfect for taking a party to the next level

不合作的方式 (r1o natsume), Saturday, 10 July 2010 22:08 (fourteen years ago) link

The "Mountains" 12" suffers from the exact problem Deej mentions above - after the part heard on the album is over, it's just instrumental jamming for 5 more minutes, the chorus never returns. I agree with Deej that it's kinda dancefloor-unfriendly, plus "Mountains" has one of my favourite Prince choruses ever, I would've wanted to hear it at least once more.

Tuomas, Saturday, 10 July 2010 22:50 (fourteen years ago) link

glad to see this revived, I love this style of music and am particularly obsessed with instrumental versions.

some searches:

Bruce Springsteen - Cover Me (Arthur Baker remix)
Bangles - Walk Like An Egyptian instrumental B-side
Danielle Dax - Whistling For His Love (7" radio remix, but on the 12" like lots of them)
Brian Eno - Ali Click (Trance Mix - Long)
Janet Jackson - Black Cat (Funky 12" mix)
Shriekback - Mercy Dash extended
Rolling Stones - Miss You
Beck - Mixed Bizness (Cornelius remix)
Siouxsie - Kiss Them For Me 7" mix
Talking Heads - Television Man extended
XTC - Grass (cause of the clean end)

destroy:
Blondie - Heart Of Glass/Rapture, the same tacked-on endings folks mentioned above.
The The - Uncertain Smile (ditto)

bug holocaust (sleeve), Saturday, 10 July 2010 23:18 (fourteen years ago) link

what kind of fucking parties are you going to where "mountains" extended mix is considered dancefloor unfriendly???

不合作的方式 (r1o natsume), Sunday, 11 July 2010 10:30 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah "uncertain smile" album mix >>>>> 12" mix

depeche mode "master & servant" (slavery mix) is pretty wild, elongates the schaffel outro of the 7" mix and ends with a blues acapella version of the chorus. depeche always have amazing 12" mixes of their singles

不合作的方式 (r1o natsume), Sunday, 11 July 2010 11:42 (fourteen years ago) link

the 12" mix of "uncertain smile" doesn't really have a tacked-on ending, but it's a completely different mix to the album version. the drums sound completely different, the guitar riff is backgrounded and sounds more reverby and less chimy, it has synth-horns and a flute, a completely different vocal take, and replaces jools holland's insane piano solo at the end with a sax

不合作的方式 (r1o natsume), Sunday, 11 July 2010 11:50 (fourteen years ago) link

new order "perfect kiss" -- has that amazing vocodered version of the chorus towards the end

alexander o'neal "the lovers" -- the only way to improve upon perfection is to make it last for longer! has those fucking awesome syncopated white noise solos

不合作的方式 (r1o natsume), Sunday, 11 July 2010 12:01 (fourteen years ago) link

um not "perfect kiss", i meant "bizarre love triangle". i really should go to bed

不合作的方式 (r1o natsume), Sunday, 11 July 2010 12:03 (fourteen years ago) link

drum programming on 12" mix of "perfect kiss" is insane

不合作的方式 (r1o natsume), Sunday, 11 July 2010 12:04 (fourteen years ago) link


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