Wiki Worldwide Sales Bracket SEMI-FINALS ROUND ONE (of four)

Frank, Paul, MJ, Floyd

David Bowie, Paul McCartney, Stevie Wonder, Pink Floyd.

Only voting McCartney because I hate Carey. Wonder/Jacksons both have some stuff I really like and some stuff I'm not so keen on, so could have gone either way.

David Bowie, Paul McCartney, Stevie Wonder, Pink Floyd

MJ vastly overrated and I pretty much can't stand PF post-Animals but whatever, they have more material I enjoy than Dire Straits

Wiki Worldwide Sales Bracket SEMI-FINALS ROUND TWO (of four)

David Bowie, Paul McCartney, Michael Jackson, Pink Floyd

good to see the challops beginning so early

you had to put my two favorites in this whole thing against each other, huh?

anyway

frankie, mariah, stevie, floyd

All match-ups were chosen randomly using a deck of cards and a number system.

Frank Sinatra, Paul McCartney, Stevie Wonder, Pink Floyd

David Bowie, Paul McCartney, Stevie Wonder, Pink Floyd

Bowie, McCartney, Michael Jackson, Dire Straits

Final round should've been Stevie vs. MJ. This is way unfair.

That said: Bowie, Mariah, Stevie, Dire

word xp

David Bowie, Paul McCartney, Michael Jackson, Pink Floyd

David Bowie, Paul McCartney, Stevie Wonder, Dire Straits

David Bowie, Paul McCartney, Stevie Wonder, Pink Floyd.

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Frank Sinatra, Mariah Carey, Stevie Wonder, Pink Floyd

Didn't realize there was that much Dire Straits love here, or Pink Floyd hate (not sure which it is). How many people are really going to vote Sinatra over Bowie? I like Sinatra but in a grudgingly acquired appreciation sort of way. He doesn't actually matter for me, the way at least a handful of Bowie songs have and maybe still do.

I voted Sinatra for exactly the reasons you voted for Bowie.

haha yeah i was gonna say something along those lines.

Frank Sinatra, Mariah Carey, Michael Jackson, Dire Straits

Bowie is okay, but Sinatra was one of the greatest singers of the 20th century. The people who vote Bowie over Sinatra are probably the ones who think no music of value was made before The Beatles.

Sinatra was an entertainer, but not much of a singer. Sorry.

^^^serious challops are serious

Not much of a singer?! Have you actually listened to his songs?! Even on a simple technical level he was a better singer than, say, Bowie, and that's not taking account the incredible expressiveness of his voice.

yeah what the fucking fuck man.

Hey y'all, I think Bowie's a pretty shitty singer too. But I still stand by my notion that Sinatra, while not lousy by any means, isn't great by any means either. But crooning has never really appealed much to me anyway (blame it on years of my mom bombarding me with Dean Martin choons).

Bowie is okay, but Sinatra was one of the greatest singers of the 20th century. The people who vote Bowie over Sinatra are probably the ones who think no music of value was made before The Beatles.

Yeah, right, Tuomas, that's me, of course, idiot.

I don't particularly like Sinatra. I respect him, but for the most part I don't enjoy him. My mom couldn't stand him, and she grew up with that music.

But I still stand by my notion that Sinatra, while not lousy by any means, isn't great by any means either. But crooning has never really appealed much to me anyway (blame it on years of my mom bombarding me with Dean Martin choons).

Now, if you were talking about Dean Martin, I'd kinda agree with you: he was first and foremost an entertainer and his singing was always kinda limited (though I still love his songs to death). But Sinatra was more than just a "crooner"; of course you can say that the kinds of music he recorded don't appeal to you, but saying he wasn't a good singer is just wrong on all levels.

Sinatra was a hell of a singer in the Columbia and Capitol recordings, but give me Bing any day. Went with Bowie not because he's a better singer (he's not) but I like his recordings better.

Bowie MacWonder Floyd

I know plenty of people who hate Sinatra/his material but dude was in total command of his instrument, regardless of what he did with it.

this is a discussion about music shakey

stevie vs. mj is going to give me an aneurysm.

Bowie, MacCarntney, Wonder, Dire Straits.

I like some Frank well enough but there's something off-putting about him. Went with Bowie not because he's a better singer (he's not) but I like his recordings better. Frank is a very showy technically (like M. Carey, for that matter) and it can get a little annoying to my ears. Also, I just really don't like a lot of his arrangements for the classics he covered.

Bowie, Macca, MJ, Floyd

Frank is a very showy technically (like M. Carey, for that matter)

and black is white and up is down and left is right and tomorrow is yesterday

Frank Sinatra VS David Bowie
Stevie Wonder VS Michael Jackson/J5

^choosing would be like cutting off my uh hand or sacrificing my first born - can't do it

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David Bowie 69
Frank Sinatra 13

Paul McCartney 61
Mariah Carey 21

Stevie Wonder 50
Michael Jackson 32

Pink Floyd 64
Dire Straits 18

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Paul McCartney 61
Mariah Carey 21

i am going on a murdering spree on 61 of you

such shitty taste

I think the Sinatra-Bowie result is an even bigger disgrace, but obviously on ILM rock music is always gonna win any non-rock artist.

yeah that always happens tuomas.
Name a rock artist/act that has won an ILM EOY Poll?

I wasn't talking about this decade, rock is pretty much dead now, isn't it? But whenever we do polls that include artists from the "classic rock" era (60s and 70s), the "classic rock" artists always win.

The finale for this poll is gonna be Beatles vs Rolling Stones, just like with the previous poll.

I think of Bowie as pop.

rock is pretty much dead now, isn't it?

It is? Haven't people been saying that for 40 years now? It was supposed to be just a fad at one point!

Beatles and Stones in same bracket, won't be finale.

I know people are still making rock music, but it's a dead genre anyway: there hasn't been any new kind of rock music for something like 25 years, it's just endless recycling now.

promise it wont be beatles vs macca!

Tuomas you could say that about a lot of genres of music. But in the underground there's always going to be something happening, no matter the style.

i didn't know bowie was that much of a sales heavy hitter! crazy

Tuomas you could say that about a lot of genres of music. But in the underground there's always going to be something happening, no matter the style.

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, August 23, 2010 4:59 PM (2 minutes ago)

Agreed... If metal counts as an extension of rock, and it would be hard to argue it isn't, and if that is a genre that is still pushing boundaries and trying new things, which it is, then by Tuomas' own standard rock isn't dead.
Also, what about Post-Rock? Perhaps it has become a settled and boring genre but I think its very existence proves that the "rock dialectic" hasn't finished.

For some of you Bowie and Sinatra are both simply old, perhaps equally old. For some of us, Bowie's music is something we've grown up with as current music on the radio. Sinatra is not something I heard on the radio, except maybe at certain barber shops. Even my parents didn't listen to him, not that that would have helped his cause any. Sinatra would have to be an acquired taste for me, and it's a sound that basically doesn't appeal to me (though I will admit that Nelson Riddle's orchestra does swing).

Not sure why I'm hanging on to this but there's actually something really weird to me about people expressing shock over Sinatra losing to Bowie, but maybe it's not shock, just outrage. It's still a bit baffling. The funny thing is I'm not nearly as big a fan of Bowie as many around here, and I am not sure any of his albums would make a best of list for me.

I can see why some people do not like Bowies voice, just like I don't really care for Sinatra's. But I love Bowies recorded output while Sinatra's never really touched me bar a few songs. If someone put a Sinatra album on I don't think I'd complain though.

And it's not nostalgia, I dont care for bowies 80s stuff but i remember a lot of that on pop radio growing up. Didn't hear his 70s albums until the 90s.

Look if we want to talk about crooning and golden voices than let's have a real benchmark like Roy Orbison. That guy could sing a hell of a lot better than Sinatra. I mean Sinatra became a legend primarily because of his branding (rat pack) and his good looks (ol' blue eyes)... I just can't get how someone would consider him to have one of the greatest voices.

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I don't really care about David Bowie.

good grief, i find myself in agreement with NV! *world ends*

also: thread = IM LEARING TO TROLL

70s bowie : 60s beatles : 80s prince

frank was just some guy who could sing

hey did you hear that the rock dialectic is not yet finished?

kind of a relief, tbh