DASH MY PRECONCEPTIONS about white funk

! Can't wait to see what happens if they ever tour the UK.

If you're talking black-dominated bands in a rock milieu who learned to funk, the Time and Prince's various '70s and '80s bands pretty much picked up the torch for JB and Clinton and were probably several of the best bands of all time.

the new face in white funk. they are fun as hell with the best groves eva bra.

And Julian, sorry for my vulgar questioning I'll not ever do it again (but could you sort out your capitalisation please, it offends me on a similar level - ie. that of being a pathetic tit, woo!).

This advice cannot be seconded enough.

I agree with Tracer on the first three RHCP albums; after those three dropped, a whole bunch of bands came out that imitated the Red Hots. See in particular "The Brother's Cup", "Hollywood" and "Yertle The Tertle" off of _Freaky Stylely_, or "True Men Don't Kill Coyotes", "Baby Appeal", "Get Up And Jump" and "Mommy, Where's Daddy" off the self- titled album.

"Noun, 'You is *funky*', and adjective, 'You dance *funky*' and verb, 'Now you gittin *funky*' Also *fonk*. The dual meaning of 'something that smells bad' and 'something that is essentially soulful' is an interesting collision. Unfortunately, debate led by new members over whether *funk* and *funky* were truly two different words or a variation on one word paralysed our group for an entire week and deeply divided the board, dropping both words lower than ever."

Groove rates 33 and is defined thus:

"Noun, verb, adjective. Represents a tight, rhythmic sound, as well as the experience of being inside that tight rhythm."

In a world of horribly inaccurate generalizations there isn't too much to make this one stand out, but it still annoyed the fuck out of me.

Kiedis et al can't touch Patton. Patton is a much more exploratory, confrontational, and provocative figure - without a trace of the stupid macho surfer rat with a copstache that is the RCHP's main reference point.

Red herring alert: there is no such thing as a dying/dead art form; the word "dying" is only used because what it really means in context -- "unpopular" -- isn't really a criticism at all, just a rather toothless observation.

ObSubject-line: every time I hear the Average White Band I'm surprised by how good they are.

others can demonstrate the link to this thread

i WAY prefer level 42 to the chili peppers, but that is just me

I suppose it would be hard to prove, but I find it hard to believe that there aren't in fact absolutely dead art forms, say, Sumerian music, for example. (Slight uncertainty in that maybe they have been kept alive in some little village in Iraq, but I very much doubt it.)

In re: reports of this or that form's death - stuffing dodos, aboriginal songs of now-extinct tribes, Gregorian chant: not dead forms of music, just not in use or in the case of Gregorian chant not being written. The "rock is dead"/"trad-jazz is dead"/etc. argument is not claiming that there is no rock/trad-jazz/whatever being made. It's a statement of a preference masquerading as popcult criticism. "Dodo trainer is a dead profession" - not commentary, reporting. "Rock is dead"="I don't listen to much rock myself nor do my friends" - commentary dressed up as reportage.

If Shriekback counts as white funk, by the way, I'm all for it, as least as regards everything through "Oil and Gold."

Good white funk from the 90s? There ain't a lot of it. The Brand New Heavies "rap" album is really good, but all sorts of black folks are involved so maybe that doesn't count. Jane's Addiction got *kinda* funky, but they were always more folk-metal-psychedelia....

I don't see how you can simply assume that no cultural practice is ever lost. I am taking this to the extreme, but again, since there is no known notation of Sumerian music and since there is no group of people on earth who are known to still be playing it, it is quite possibly dead. Rock music is another matter, of course.

The "rock is dead"/"trad-jazz is dead"/etc. argument is not claiming that there is no rock/trad-jazz/whatever being made. It's a statement of a preference masquerading as popcult criticism.

I basically agree with you, I think, but I don't think there's anything wrong with someone expressing the opinion that a particular form is in decline and not likely to become as vital as it was in the past. Granted, this is a pretty subjective* matter.

*i hope mark s doesn't see this

Actually, if we're going down that road, we should probably include The The's _Infected_, too.