THE REAL SCARFACE ALBUMS POLL, VOTE IN THIS IF YOU ARE NOT A POSEUR

the diary

lol @ title

was thinking of a scarface edition for that "best of" ilx project but it wld prob be the noz c90 with "emeritus" & facemob - "millions" sneaked in

i guess The Diary or the debut, tho i think i like Emeritus more than most ppl

i liked emeritus more than most ppl too

still doesnt touch 'diary'

the only songs I think are less than great are Jesse James (more lyrically than anything, it's thundering) and the song that interpolates "99 balloons", but everything else is top n-izz-otch. I think my fav is "No Tears" though, especially these lyrics:

I've got this killer up inside of me
I can't talk to my mother, so I talk to my diary
I'm goin off on the deep end
I find myself face to face with myself while I'm sleepin
I see your picture in my head and my hand shake
You can run, you can hide, but there's no escape
My inner feelings show no mercy on my enemy
I got to get this muthafucka before he gets to me
So in your own blood you'll bathe
And I won't stop until I put this muthafucka in his fuckin grave
And I can say this once again
You can cry but you'll still die, there'll be no tears in the end

has anyone heard Dopeman Music yet besides shiplo? think it's been sitting on my harddrive unzipped since release but i must not wanna hear it for some reason

i heard it. i couldnt really get into it. only listened 1nce

scarface doesn't really seem like a mixtape rapper to me, and what a weird time to decide to do it...

yeah it's an odd release for that reason but it's still pretty good, just about in the same league as his last LP

feel like voting for The World Is Yours or The Last Of A Dying Breed at the moment to kinda go with a less obvious pick

both Emeritus & M.A.D.E. have great stuff on 'em, and yeah The Diary is fantastic but still -- The Fix is the one that reaches me. Track after track such a great complete-picture album. "Look Who's Back," come on. That is the stuff.

Still let's all bump "Recognize" from Balls & My Word, album of pasted-together outtakes but a great fuckin track - sit back and smoke me one/the Obi-Wan Kenobi one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyxxvEPZW5k

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Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

the diary is classic, but mr. scarface is back is my personal favorite. it's the most like a Geto Boys record (in terms of subject matter and the beats), which is no bad thing IMHO.

yeah i voted for that...kinda like an extension of grip it! on that other level

yeah, it really fleshes out the Scarface persona (paranoid, suicidal, profane and religious/almost apologetic for this lifestyle) in a way that grip it! and we can't be stopped only did incompletely.

90s scarface is generally better than 00's scarface, but i think fix is the most consistent album. GOAT in any case.

I WOULD
NEVER VIOLATE THE CODES OF THE STREETS
AND I WOULD NEVER MAKE A PROMISE THAT I KNOW I COULDN'T KEEP
AND I WOULD
NEVER TESTIFY OR COP OUT FOR A PLEA
OR SURRENDER INFORMATION ON MY BOYS TO THE POLICE
AND YOU COULD
NEVER CATCH ME ON THE BLOCK WITHOUT A STRAP, AND I WOULD
NEVER PULL IT OUT UNLESS I'M BOUTS TO BLACK
AND I COULD NEVER FORGET MY HOMIES DYING FOR THEY SCRATCH
FOREVER POURING OUT LIQUOR FOR THEM, GOD SEND THEM BACK AND I
NEVER SHED TEARS, MY HEART IS LIKE A STONE NOW
NEVER THOUGHT I'D LIVE TO SEE 21, LOOK, I'M GROWN NOW
NEVER SAY "NEVER," THEY TELL ME ALL THE TIME
'CAUSE NEVER MEANS IT'S FOREVER, BUT IT'S NEVER CROSSED MY MIND, AND I'LL
NEVER GO BROKE, I PROMISE I'MA SHINE
NEVER COME SHORT ON MY ISSUE, I'M ON IT EVERY TIME
AND I'LL NEVER BE PASSIVE, YOU BETTER GIVE ME MINE
IT'S MY MONEY, AND I WANT IT, EVERY MOTHERFUCKIN DIME
NEVER FORGOT ALL MY STRUGGLES IN THE PAST AND I COULD
NEVER FORGOT HOW TO HUSTLE FOR MY CASH
AND I WOULD NEVER FORGET HOW I FELT WHEN I SAW BRAD TAKE THAT FIRST BREATH
AND FROM THEN
I KNEW I HAD TO MASH
AND IT COULD
NEVER BE SAID I WENT OUT LIKE A HO
NEVER BEEN PUNKED, I'LL NEVER LET IT SLIDE, NEVER LET IT GO
NEVER EVER, NEVER EVER EVER, NO
GET ON MY LEVEL HO
OR GO GET A SHOVEL, HO

Mr. Scarface Is Back, no question for me

but dude's is hands down one of the most consistent runs of music in the history of hip-hop. Almost all classics.

I finally got Made and even that one's pretty awesome. and yea, Mr. Scarface is back is very different in tone from his later work, which is kind of cool.

Diary still wins for me, though The Fix is really good too.

i am a poseur. i've heard two of these. :-(

i've only heard 4 of em

heard 8 out of 12 of these

but fuck a mixtape being on this list anyways

dude its basically an album thats stupid logic

that said, not a v good one

the diary but the fix is close imo

i'm only gonna listen to scarface today :D

so why you trying to kick some dust up
america's always been known blaming us niggas for they fuck ups
and we were always considered evil
now they trying to bust our only code of communicating with our people

my homies is also classic just because it has 'fuck faces' on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGUhu5BUOKg

yeah this is basically top 5 all time for me

these are all good and i think i said this on another thread but the fix gets the edge for the 'sellout' beat, that thing is massive and one of my fav beats ever

i've only heard three or four of these and now think i need to change that. the fix

man, each of these tracks stand with the best of each respective collaborator's discogs, imo:

"smile" ft. 2-pac
"house of the dead body" ft. ice cube
"guess who's back" ft. jay-z

"house of the dead body" ft. ice cube (doug lazy remix)

listening to the untouchable right now and this album is really underrated. love the production. so smooth.

lol @ writing "house" of the dead body btw. once a videogame nerd, always a videogame nerd.

dude its basically an album thats stupid logic

--you cant see me markers (deej)

Yaaaaaaaawn

ey Statler and Waldorf, not in my thread ya don't!

The Diary

if Dopeman Music was packaged and promoted the same way as Made and Emeritus nobody would go "hey this sounds more like a mixtape than an album!"

I haven't heard dopeman music yet. any good?

it's pretty good, not especially great but worth hearing

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

38 participants is better but honestly 'Face makes such outstanding music I'm still disappointed. still...at least he's two voters stronger than the Siouxsie & the Banshees album poll now, so we're making progress

still corny that the def jam partly kanye-produced record won but what r u gonna do

at least its a good record (still. if you voted that & havent heard his first two....)

Yaaaaaaaawn

― t(o_o)t it and b(o_o)t it (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, September 17, 2010 1:01 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Rooooong

i never saw this? weird

has anyone heard Dopeman Music yet besides shiplo? think it's been sitting on my harddrive unzipped since release but i must not wanna hear it for some reason

― zvookster, Sunday, September 5, 2010 4:03 PM (1 week ago)

yeah this was quality, def one of the best mixtapes of the year (it's pretty much an album tho)

my fave long song to w33d that isn't "sweet leaf":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz42nWqBKwQ

Cool, deej, I'll junp on board your "mixtapes ARE albums" bandwagon once we start letting them have a critical shelf life of longer than nine months unless it's lil wayne.

tbh i can't remember much of made beyond 'girl you know' (BANGER) but yeah i imagine it's similar.

Scarface is just one of those artists (much like UGK) that just dutifully put out quality album after quality album -- not all classics, but all top notch.

"dutifully"

actually sometimes i wonder if rappers who have been around for ever would rather just relax & sleep in late & play xbox

did any other rapper manage the transition from the 90s to the 00's so well? probably helps that, like you said upthread a bit, he has always positioned himself as this veteran reflecting on street life. in some respects he's been making "old map rap" his entire career. xxp

not sure if artistically but jay didn't really become a superstar until the 00s....

also, e-40 has done good, quik, sean price, prodigy (to an extent)

mf doom, kinda?

there's probably an argument to be made for outkast but actually their 00's output kinda sucked

I know you didn't just say that about Stankonia.

stankonia is brilliant but that's turn of the decade and then..........

truth be told I like Idlewild.

truth be told I wanna rhyme like Common Sense.

did any other rapper manage the transition from the 90s to the 00's so well? probably helps that, like you said upthread a bit, he has always positioned himself as this veteran reflecting on street life. in some respects he's been making "old map rap" his entire career. xxp

― i feed these skreets (tpp), Sunday, September 19, 2010 12:42 PM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

not sure if artistically but jay didn't really become a superstar until the 00s....

also, e-40 has done good, quik, sean price, prodigy (to an extent)

― rawkan the chief (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, September 19, 2010 12:46 PM (9 hours ago)

nas, ghostface, ugk, etc

nas..really? ugk is a good call

i kinda always love nas being nas, like manny being manny

00s Nas > 90s Nas by a longshot

last real challopser alive, that's official^

haha if you take out illmatic it's close but yeah dude's been pretty consistent

90s: One dope album, three unlistenable shit albums
00s: Five pretty solid albums in a row

see i love it was written a TON (my challops is i like it almost as much as illmatic)

i personally can't stand a lot of nas' 00's output in particular that pseudo-historical/intellectual bullshit thing he does

yea but he mostly does that on his s/t and Stillmatic, and even then on the latter it doesn't comprise the entire album. Besides, even if he's misguided on many things, I admire him for at least reaching beyond the standard base rap topics.

(I still LOL at him for thinking William Cooper was some kind of martyr and not just a complete lunatic).

I haven't heard Nastradamus or I am, but I like It was Written a lot. Still, though, God's Son and Stillmatic are top notch for me, and I really like all of his 00's output, to varying degrees.

so I'd say it was a valid point.

his verse on 'in between us' is totally classic actually

iww is better than any album he's released since

It is underrated, that's for sure. I mean it did get critical recognition but gets hated on in way too many circles.

arguing about which of nas' albums post-illmatic is the least shit is a rap nerd argument that's gonna be going on when all of us are dead, isn't it?

this thread is bonkers.

agree w/100%:
I think Scarface's voice is at its most powerful on Diary

basically listened to the untouchable all weekend. the subtle production on it really reminds me of the angle chronic 2001 works. it's so smooth and laid back that it's easy to gloss over the details at first. but there's a lot of depth there and I feel like I hear new things each time I spin it. and it just sounds fucking classy as hell.

90s: One dope album, three unlistenable shit albums
00s: Five pretty solid albums in a row

― the perry bubble fell-off-ship (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, September 20, 2010 11:25 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is challop b.s.

it was written & i am >>>> anything in the 00s

I love it was written

alright it's hard to even call out deej when I think jordan is implying that nas hasn't had a good album since illmatic

one hot album every ten year average iirc

I've got this killer up inside of me
I can't talk to my mother, so I talk to my diary

face is so goth

i love it

alright it's hard to even call out deej when I think jordan is implying that nas hasn't had a good album since illmatic

― kellspolaris (k3vin k.), Monday, September 20, 2010 4:55 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark

um no i'm just tired of reading arguments about which nas albums are actually the bad ones

Last of a Dying Breed is sooooooooooo slept on.

yeah totally. obviously there's a high baseline of quality for pretty much all of his albums, but i think conventional wisdom about their relative quality could really stand to be reevaluated. The World Is Yours and The Untouchable are probably my favorites, Last of a Dying Breed totally doesn't deserve to be forgotten like it has, and The Diary kinda leaves me cold.

man Bun B guest in his prime.....miss that Bun

diary picks up something it needed in the s+c version, the regular one always seems a little too bright-sounding

poll results OTM

http://www.harpercollins.com/9780062302632/diary-of-a-madman

About the Book

From Geto Boys legend and renowned storyteller Scarface, comes a passionate memoir about how hip-hop changed the life of a kid from the south side of Houston, and how he rose to the top-and ushered in a new generation of rap dominance. 
Scarface is the celebrated rapper whose hits include "On My Block," "Mind Playing Tricks on Me" and "Damn It Feels Good to be a Gangsta" (made famous in the cult film Office Space). The former president of Def Jam South, he's collaborated with everyone from Kanye West, Ice Cube and Nas, and had many solo hits such as "Guess Who's Back" feat. Jay-Z and "Smile" feat. Tupac. But before that, he was a kid from Houston in love with rock-and-roll, listening to AC/DC and KISS.


In Diary of a Madman, Scarface shares how his world changed when he heard Run DMC for the first time; how he dropped out of school in the ninth grade and started selling crack; and how he began rapping as the new form of music made its way out of New York and across the country. It is the account of his rise to the heights of the rap world, as well as his battles with his own demons and depression. Passionately exploring and explaining the roots and influences of rap culture, Diary of a Madman is the story of hip-hop-the music, the business, the streets, and life on the south side Houston, Texas.



Cool, deej, I'll junp on board your "mixtapes ARE albums" bandwagon once we start letting them have a critical shelf life of longer than nine months unless it's lil wayne.

― kenanpolaris (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 18 September 2010 20:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

Lol

man the hissy fit in the middle of this thread is lol

scarface was on the nightly show the other night and he was ... odd. made a left-field analogy comparing the Baltimore water company and residents who can't pay their bills to hawks/squirrels, then refused to answer the "keep it 100" question. also wore a backpack the entire time.

<3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Czdg8e8UX4

jumping between reading "Diary of a Madman" and Dylan "Chronicles"

interesting that Face also considers the Fix his best album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8WQvmEjjN0

such a thrill in this day and age to suddenly stumble on an unexpected scarface guest verse

Scarface recently came very close to winning a Houston City Council seat, sadly losing in the runoff election.

face/run/off