The Wire Vs Careless Talk Cost Lives Vs NME

the best= the gig guide in each mag (haf only looked at CTCL once but I'm sure they have one) (and the ads for rec shops). In terms of content the wire is the 'best' of a sorry lot so that's not saying a lot.

you don't need to read this stuff. the music is in your head. remeber that 'indie kid'.

Actually, I don't think there is a gig guide in CTCL...

What is actually in CTCL?

I think Mojo is better. Covers obscure bands from the past(no other mag does) and isnt the beatles/dylan/floyd/young bible it once was. Cvers new music too. The White Stripes are even on the cover this month. I guess you need to buy several magazines a month to get your fill of music,if you're open minded. Theres not one 'complete' magazine sadly. But i'd say forget about NME.

Try Careless Elves Costs Lives.

Theres a feature on Mick Collins/Dirtbombs. So Mojo is obviously where dead CTCL journos end up! Theres also an MC5 feature.Son House, Psychedelic Furs and Bobby Womack.

If you're a music fan, you'll probably prefer CTCL. If you don't like dry arid writing, you'll probably prefer CTCL. If you don't like being patronised and treated like a 13 year old retard, you'll probably prefer CTCL. If you enjoy smart, witty, passionate writing and photography and illustrations, you'll probably prefer CTCL.

Then again, you may not. It's not my place to tell you what you should or shouldn't buy. All we try to do is cover the music we LOVE in a sassy, informed and passionate manner - and aim to communicate the enthusiasm we feel to others. We enhance the pleasure you draw from listening to great records: we don't claim to be taste-leaders or elitists or set agendas.

But possibly we do, and are, anyway.

The paper quality is superb.

You want a list of bands in the next two issues: man, we sure as hell don't work that way. We go on passion and wit and spontaneity, and fuck everything else. You can check out previous band lists and (a little) writing and photography at www.carelesstalkcostslives.com - I wasn't actually going to advertise the site here, because ILM is sacred. But hell. I hate typing out lists.

Oh, and you won't get many lists either. Unless we change our minds.

I wasn't actually going to advertise the site here, because ILM is sacred

Half of us here seem to write for it anyway, I say plug the link away if you like. :-)

Nicky Wire: dud. Public Enemy: dud. WWII Propaganda: classic. Simple, no?

Nah, seriously. The NME is the perfect place to go if you've just (I mean, like five minutes ago) got into music. It'll name a sufficient amount of musical bands, and degenerate all that nasty dance/pop/"ethnic" music for you, so you can concentrate on your guitars/Eminem/shitty dance.

The Wire... I've only read once. It seemed like Record Collector with better quality paper

Careless Talk Costs Lives... eh. I don't call myself a writer, I've only written for it once... It's got stuff you'll love, it's got stuff you'll hate, but at least it'll have stuff to solicit an emotion other than "Steve Sutherland and Mark Beamount should both take an axe to the skull, whilst April Long is buggered by the hounds of hell, and Imran Ahmed is forced to watch".

"If you're a music fan, you'll probably prefer CTCL"

FUCK OFF

I knew someone would hate that line - that's why I also added the rejoinder... "but you may not".

Or didn't you read that part?

Jerry- "but you may not"...but why? you seem to be suggesting that ppl who don't like CTCL are not ''a music fan'' that they do not ''enjoy smart, witty, passionate writing and photography and illustrations'' and that they don't mind ''being patronised and treated like a 13 year old retard''.

FUCK OFF!!!

I would say - NME - cause I write for it and also it is good for a quick read/glance for the bands and happenings in london for the week. when it's on - it's old school nme and it is sweet - when it is off - it's pretty bad.

'cause hey, some of us don't have time to read an eight page article about the senseless things.

but mostly i read books.

it's not so much that line in particular; rather your post, your magazine and especially you.

"man, we sure as hell don't work that way. We go on passion and wit and spontaneity, and fuck everything else."

Yeeah! Sounds good!

FUCK OFF with your paper quality

Christ Bob, did he steal your girlfriend or something?

''I would say - NME - cause I write for it and also it is good for a quick read/glance for the bands and happenings in london for the week.''

The bands NME covers are mostly rubbish doomie.

'''cause hey, some of us don't have time to read an eight page article about the senseless things.

but mostly i read books.''

so lets go through this one: you don't have time for an eight page article but you have time for books.

who has time for eight page articles on rock'n'roll? i'd rather listen to it than read it.

i just like the facts, ma'am. concise and simple and direct.

i would choose nme for indie and kerrang for punk rock coverage.

(no, this is all 4 show! I'm just trying to scare people called jerry off dumbass anti-elitist elitism indie rhetoric for good. shh here he comes!)

"But hell. I hate typing out lists"

yay bitch! FUCK OFF!

yeaaaahhh julio! tag team! sic im!

why tag team? yuck. save yer indie gay wrestling antics for someone else!

i'm just in the music writing game for the free cds, bub.

doomie- why not read on the train. magazines are so thin on things to read mostly that you can finish it on one journey to work (that would apply to me but I don't know how far you have to commute, if at all).

''i just like the facts, ma'am. concise and simple and direct.''

not enough.

''i would choose nme for indie and kerrang for punk rock coverage.''

I thought 'punk' had died long ago. but you know that already.

doomie- why not read on the train. magazines are so thin on things to read mostly that you can finish it on one journey to work (that would apply to me but I don't know how far you have to commute, if at all).

Nah - I like getting my musical news from the newstand - a quick read - flip through - whilst waiting on a friend, that's when I read the magazines.

The NME is good 'cause you get coverage on the way to work and you've only spent £1.50 so you can trash it after reading it - it's the equivalant of an indie Heat Magazine. Wire/Etc - bore me please! Do I really want a sub - lester bangs article about some guy's life who reviews rock records veiled as a 'piece'. no way jose.

I like my music articles trashy, fun and easy.

''i just like the facts, ma'am. concise and simple and direct.''

not enough.

Enough for me.

''i would choose nme for indie and kerrang for punk rock coverage.''

I thought 'punk' had died long ago. but you know that already.

Depends - o.k., if you are to be pedantic - i like kerrang for a quick overview of loud noisy fuck you rock and roll.

however - i find 'guides' the very worse. allmusic.com being the contender for a whole lot of schlock in one website. i usually use it when i burn cds and want to make sure that i've got all the songs, though. so that is something positive about allmusic.com.

and I never think 'wow, what a well-written article' the best rock'n'roll writing inspires me to listen to the band not the writer. that's what i aim for, anyways.

'no self indulgence, please ma'am, i'm full up on the lester bangs and mash'

an editor called me a 'wannabe music journalist' and i had to correct him ... I am, at all times - a rock and roll fan.

''Wire/Etc - bore me please! Do I really want a sub - lester bangs article about some guy's life who reviews rock records veiled as a 'piece'. no way jose.''

yeah that was bad! though mark s did a nice rewrite (though no doubt you will rubbish it).

The wire can be dry at first. This months issue there really is fuck all apart from the article on Lou harrison (i like william parker but I'm starting to hate david keenan). But it depends what music you like I suppose (and since you write for the NME, i suspect you wouldn't). I think if NME did an article on Harry pussy or Boredoms (and they caught on to these things quickly) then I'd buy it again. Or that i felt there were things to discover every so often it would be good.

I know that andy capper likes boredoms. I've been away from the country for a while but hasn't there been an article on them, say?

At least w/Wire you know what reelases are coming out (again I like some of the music they cover) and you are gonna know when derek bailey is playin (next week w/prevost near hackney i think).

''i like kerrang for a quick overview of loud noisy fuck you rock and roll.''

terrorizer does the whole thing much better i think.

Surely the difference being (personal opinion aside) that the NME (alongside Kerrang) is music journalism, whilst Wire and CTCL are music criticism? It's a bit like comparing, say, the Times to Time, no?

yeah that was bad! though mark s did a nice rewrite (though no doubt you will rubbish it).

i'm just mindful of ego. i did a beachwood sparks review that was beautiful written and almost poetry (teehee). The editor told me that it was a fantastic piece of writing and was impressed and then emailed me back and told me to rewrite it and I agreed with him. It was self indulgent to the person who did not know the beachwood sparks. the wire is for the music boffin with the bad breath boring everyone about their john cage collections.

The wire can be dry at first. This months issue there really is fuck all apart from the article on Lou harrison (i like william parker but I'm starting to hate david keenan).

The only time that I notice the author of music writing when it's dreadful. I can name a writer at the NME that comes to mind. But to be tactful I will not.

But it depends what music you like I suppose (and since you write for the NME, i suspect you wouldn't).

Huh?

I think if NME did an article on Harry pussy or Boredoms (and they caught on to these things quickly) then I'd buy it again. Or that i felt there were things to discover every so often it would be good.

Aaah. You are jaded. Better stick with Wire. The NME and Kerrang are for pop culture freaks.

I know that andy capper likes boredoms. I've been away from the country for a while but hasn't there been an article on them, say?

I saw a live review of the boredoms by andy capper. Though I have never met anyone at the NME. It's all done through email.

At least w/Wire you know what reelases are coming out (again I like some of the music they cover) and you are gonna know when derek bailey is playin (next week w/prevost near hackney i think).

*Yamusocrapn* Sorry - wasnt paying attention. ; - )

''i like kerrang for a quick overview of loud noisy fuck you rock and roll.''

terrorizer does the whole thing much better i think.

Can you buy terrorizer easily enough? I hate being inconvenienced by magazines. Defeats the purpose, does it not?

dom-the musical range is quite (a bit of overlap but not much) different. so if you want the news then there are websites that provide it. i wouldn't spend 5p on the NME when I could be reading a book or just listening to the sounds in the street as I wait for a friend.

Surely the difference being (personal opinion aside) that the NME (alongside Kerrang) is music journalism, whilst Wire and CTCL are music criticism? It's a bit like comparing, say, the Times to Time, no?

*yawwwnmusocraptalkyawwwn* What?

Personally and I talked to some people - no offence guys - but alot of people think that the wire has it's head stuck up it's own arse.

'Don't intellectualise my rock and roll' David Crosby

dom-the musical range is quite (a bit of overlap but not much) different. so if you want the news then there are websites that provide it. i wouldn't spend 5p on the NME when I could be reading a book or just listening to the sounds in the street as I wait for a friend.

And why would I spent £3.50 to £5.00 just to find out what new music is out this month? Convince me of that. i'm eighteen to twenty - i want to find out what new music sounds like - do I spend rather alot of money or do I spend £1.50 and maybe a coke and a Heat Magazine for the price of one magazine that is just boffin wank material?

''Aaah. You are jaded. Better stick with Wire. The NME and Kerrang are for pop culture freaks.''

heh...here we go! I knew it would descend down the mis-informed, assumption making route. anyway, since when was the NME about 'pop culture'. I thought it was about 'indie' which is very different.

''But it depends what music you like I suppose (and since you write for the NME, i suspect you wouldn't).

Huh?''

I suspect you wouldn't like the music I like or the music the wire writes about, which is what I meant.

''i'm just mindful of ego. i did a beachwood sparks review that was beautiful written and almost poetry (teehee).''

you've got some ego problems of your own.

before i go to bed - just want to say that nme and kerrang appeal me because it's a good pop culture fix. that's all. it's cheap and easy and bang bang bang - a good warholian fuck. you could say it is artless but in artlessness there is art - moreso and probably harder to write for than doing a 1000 word 'thesis' on beyonce and sonic youth. it's pop music. geez. we live in a attention deficient time. get with the program.

heh...here we go! I knew it would descend down the mis-informed, assumption making route. anyway, since when was the NME about 'pop culture'. I thought it was about 'indie' which is very different.

define pop culture. i think mcdonalds is pop culture. more so than a tate exhibition about it.

''But it depends what music you like I suppose (and since you write for the NME, i suspect you wouldn't).

Huh?''

I suspect you wouldn't like the music I like or the music the wire writes about, which is what I meant.

and in that statement are you implying that the music that wire covers is inherently better or worse?

''i'm just mindful of ego. i did a beachwood sparks review that was beautiful written and almost poetry (teehee).''

you've got some ego problems of your own.

oh yeah, bub? i can point to some of your posts where thou dost egoth runneth over. the internet is the super ego anyways. you can run rampant on the 'net without fear of repercussion.

i'm bored.

Doomie- read J17. It does everything the NME does, and it works out cheaper for the month. Plus, no articles by cunting Steven "Cunt" Wells, the cunt.

''i'm just mindful of ego. i did a beachwood sparks review that was beautiful written and almost poetry (teehee).''

you've got some ego problems of your own.

anyways i am a good writer. that's just a fact. however, if i were full of ego why would i rip into some beautiful and make is grey and concrete like a david cronenberg parking lot (which admittedly is more beautiful sometimes like the archway tower). : - o

''And why would I spent £3.50 to £5.00 just to find out what new music is out this month? Convince me of that.''

The wire it 3.30 and it's once a month. The nme is 1.50 and it's four times a month. there's a lot of 'stuff' being released so I can't just glance and say i want that and that, etc. anyway, as I said I liked some of the articles, just not this month.

''i'm eighteen to twenty''

heh...so you're 19 then.

''want to find out what new music sounds like - do I spend rather alot of money or do I spend £1.50 and maybe a coke and a Heat Magazine for the price of one magazine that is just boffin wank material?''

well, I don't like everything (every one has its likes and hates). One thing that I hate is the brand of indie that NME 'covers' week in week out. Rather have boffin wank material than just wank material.

Doomie = every drama student ever combined into one person.

Doomie- read J17. It does everything the NME does, and it works out cheaper for the month. Plus, no articles by cunting Steven "Cunt" Wells, the cunt.

Never heard of it. I would read the billboards in los angeles than hunt down a magazine (wait I lied Flux is a good magazine and i have to go to charing cross to buy it).

i'm off to bed.

night night

Doomie = every drama student ever combined into one person.

that's the coolest compliment ever. i am a drama queen. but not in my writing i.e. with characters and such. sometimes i think that life is a big needle and it's fucking me up throughout the day.

The wire it 3.30 and it's once a month. The nme is 1.50 and it's four times a month. there's a lot of 'stuff' being released so I can't just glance and say i want that and that, etc. anyway, as I said I liked some of the articles, just not this month.

it's very much a 'I want this and I want that' culture. Sometimes I wish I could do all of my shopping at argos. It would make life less complicated.

''i'm eighteen to twenty''

heh...so you're 19 then.

hehehe.

''want to find out what new music sounds like - do I spend rather alot of money or do I spend £1.50 and maybe a coke and a Heat Magazine for the price of one magazine that is just boffin wank material?''

well, I don't like everything (every one has its likes and hates). One thing that I hate is the brand of indie that NME 'covers' week in week out. Rather have boffin wank material than just wank material.

what do you mean by brand of indie. this week's issue is cool - interpol/the pattern/the beachwood sparks/datsun. i hate the word indie. i like independant.

but the wire is tedious wank material. it's like jerking off to kafka when you could just easily masturbate to henry miller. or one step again - linda lovelace (for kerrang readers only)

I've just recieved The Legend! Everett True Connection CD in the Mail. I'll be writing a review of it as soon as possible, as it features tasmanian guitar 'legend' Julian Teakle( he of The Frsutrations) playing on it. Which of the above should i submit my review to, besides the local rag i write for anyway? I want to play with all you grown ups and I sense this to be my make or break opportunity.

don't ask me, i just occassionally sweep around nme's email system. me have no power. me just like free cds.

I think the only other magazine i would try to write for (hehe) would be that manchester magazine - FLUX.

''oh yeah, bub? i can point to some of your posts where thou dost egoth runneth over. the internet is the super ego anyways. you can run rampant on the 'net without fear of repercussion.''

it was you that started on the ego thing.

''define pop culture. i think mcdonalds is pop culture. more so than a tate exhibition about it.''

my point was that the NME is stuck down the 'we hate pop' road, etc. And it's coverage is really tired.

but I prefer the wire because the bands they cover are simply better in my opinion. And it just isn't restricted by 'indie' and what the major labels are offering this week. at least the ppl in the wire seemed to dig deeper.

''define pop culture. i think mcdonalds is pop culture. more so than a tate exhibition about it.''

my point was that the NME is stuck down the 'we hate pop' road, etc. And it's coverage is really tired.

that's not pop culture not least we are in some bizarro world where it has a different meaning. everything boring is pop culture.

but I prefer the wire because the bands they cover are simply better in my opinion. And it just isn't restricted by 'indie' and what the major labels are offering this week. at least the ppl in the wire seemed to dig deeper.

dig deeper or become masturbatory obscurists. 'look at me, look at me, i have a recording of the noises that john cale's fridge makes' - five stars obviously. whose really reading it anyways? hell to me would be paved with back issues of the wire or being stuck with the editorial and writers in an elevator.

but that's just me.

''dig deeper or become masturbatory obscurists. 'look at me, look at me, i have a recording of the noises that john cale's fridge makes' - five stars obviously. whose really reading it anyways? hell to me would be paved with back issues of the wire or being stuck with the editorial and writers in an elevator.''

the NME type 'indie' is already being obscurist. Mention beachwood sparks or interpol and you'll get a blank look. having read the NME for a few years they got as obscure as the wire (it's just the labels that release it are different). the john cale stuff is far easier to get hold of as well but have you heard it doomie or is this another ill informed opinion of yours.

I don't write lists and so on. if I'm passing through a shop and I happen to see something I might try it. Nobody can get hold of everything. a lot of the wire's stuff is available in a record shop, you can easily mail order it too.

anyway, must go to bed (and I am going). see you doomie. I'll look at the NME to see if there is a beechwood sparks review this week.

however when rereading this - thread - however bewildering, scream of consciousness and freaky it may be - it is, very very entertaining.

now, is that not a good job for jerry and i? we've entertained.

hooray!

back to work.

though the thread is good reading!

ha ha.

you know you want to be drawn in.

come on ... slowly now.

Come into the lair.....of bewildering logic.

But firstly, Lisa, have you decided on what magazine you wanted to buy?

Only personnel-private thing I have said about you on this forum was a compliment: I liked yr Sage Francis review.

Oh yeh and the dad thing. Ooops sorry. Well, I grazed a nick in your persona. People have to have corners to nibble. But I am sorry.

i have no persona - what this was - was an argument really between myself - jerry representing the idealistic paul and my idealistic vision of what it should be like and what things i don't like about it - the confused and bewildered paul very freudian. i thanked jerry via email.

but oh well. it was entertaining nonetheless! hahahaha....and a good blow out to my time spent with the greenspun crew.

an unconscious/conscious sabatoge effort.

and thanks for the compliment david - the funny thing is that i spend at least four to five hours on my reviews. including the show, time spent listening to the cd, to come up with some words to describe beauty. it's the most challenging writing there is. i do have respect for journalists that do it well.

so i spend about 7 to 8 hours writing the review.....heh. that's a long tme.

I thought my original question was forgotten about.

so, lisa, has this helped you decide which magazine you're going to subscribe to?

Well its between The Wire and CTCL. It won't be NME. Is it worth emailing The Wire to see if anyone will fight Doomie and Everett?

NME appears to be written by careerists who are only biding their time before going to Q,The Guardian or wherever all those old journos went. Always was sure they were never in it for the music. NME hasnt changed one bit has it? At least The Wire and CTCL writers appear to love music and the bands they cover. Not forced upon them by the owners of IPC... And im sick of reading about Sugababes,Atomic Kitten (insert any pop act covered better in smash hits) Sooner NME goes bust the better. The renovated disaster that was MM in its final year was still better.

my GOD why did I choose to listen to music for the last couple of hours when I could've followed this.

''oh, while i'm here. i know you dropped out of this long ago, julio, but isn't it silly for you to deride the NME on the basis that they're stuck down the "we hate pop" road? i can't remember the last pop rekkid you didn't slag mercilessly. not trying to start something, just curious...''

I am following on and off. I've only been in this board for a year so I didn't know much about doomie. Have to agree it is very entertaining. Well done Jerry you have really added the 'fourth dimension' this thread needed.

Mark p- you're not 'starting anything'. I'm happy to answer: what I'm criticizing is NMEs attitude. They will ridicule pop and yet put the very same pop they hate on the cover (because that is what sells). or they will put industry approved 'indie' bands on there (the very same thing).

as i recall whenever a thread is started on a pop single I usually don't go to these threads unless its indie related (the strokes or white stripes, say). i don't listen to radio anymore...so I can't comment on the single unless I happen to hear it and feel strongly about it.

I haven't even heard the vines...

david h-send me your details again, sorry, i can't remember which thread it is where you posted them. email me if you like. I'll chat with you soemtime after monday (or tonight if you're quick).

mark p- how are you? how is it going?

mark s came up with the serious answer that i was looking for - i am not - ummmm - part of jerry's quest and nor should be i be drawn to it. i have my own. jerry's quest is a peripharal to mine.

ps. lisa, i'm hardly a careerist - if i were, i would not have spent this much time arguing with jerry. i would have been planning my big taker over at the nme, or ctcl, or kerrang!!!

but in reality all the magazines cover different territory and appeal for different reasons.

and that's really it - nothing is better it's just different. apples/oranges/pineapples. i know nme readers and wire readers and well, i don't know anybody who reads ctcl but it's just for different reasons. the only magazine taht i think is a rip off is q. i've never bought an issue of q either.

i googled doomie, is he the in-house puff review generator for poptones?

I really, really hope this thread isn't going to fall down the changeover crack between the two boards. It would be a tragedy of Greek proprtions.

Is no one goint to blow the whistle on Doomie's real identity then? Go on, you know you want to...

"Tell me how would you be a music journalist without free cds and guest lists, Jerry?"

um... you could pay for CDs and gig tickets, perhaps? which i have done, many times, and will continue to do...

Kudos to doomie for taking on the big'n'bullying Everett True. Doomie is a great rock'n'roll outsider which makes great reviews. This thread is a school yard fight where the weirdo is hassled and bullied out of the rock'n'roll party. Which is what rock'n'roll should be about. Weirdos. Outsiders. I would rather read doomie than Everett. And the bullying should really stop.

"um... you could pay for CDs and gig tickets, perhaps? which i have done, many times, and will continue to do..."

Surely you don't pay for a band that you do not particularly want to see, do you?

The bullying continues.

Twats'n'Prats.

doomie and jerry are both idiots. stevie said he ahs paid many times (not all the time). you shouldn't get everything for free you know.

"doomie and jerry are both idiots. stevie said he ahs paid many times (not all the time). you shouldn't get everything for free you know."

This whole thread is idiotic and bullying.

"doomie and jerry are both idiots. stevie said he ahs paid many times (not all the time). you shouldn't get everything for free you know."



This whole thread is idiotic and bullying.
Cool...does this mean someone has already mentioned goat wank or spackle yet?

This thread gave Andy Partridge another fit, bastards.

''Cool...does this mean someone has already mentioned goat wank or spackle yet?''

calum must thread!

hey, 'dustin', how are you doing today?

personally, i don't think people have been bullying dustin. a read through the thread seems to suggest a certain antipathy for both brownell and thackray. i would imagine for similar reasons (being the similarity between the two)

dusty, what do you think of Kevin Ayers? Moodymann? Todd Edwards? Alec R Constandinos?

""um... you could pay for CDs and gig tickets, perhaps? which i have done, many times, and will continue to do..."
Surely you don't pay for a band that you do not particularly want to see, do you? "

i generally don't go to see bands i don't particularly want to see, so draw your own conclusion. but i have bought PLENTY of records on various whims and been, by turns, elated and dejected.

c*lum must thread!
Um, don't you know that mentioning the name of a demon only gives it power?

Careless Wanks Cost Kittens.

Did anyone ever buy CTCL? Ive never seen it anywhere yet. Is it still going?

Yup. Next issue currently being planned.

next issue out 1st march, actually. Daniel Johnston/Will Oldham cover.

available from: hmv, borders, virgin, record shops, newsagents.. all that shit.

David Mc - you've got an e-mail coming your way!

Hey Ned, I got scouted for CTCL, yo yo yo.

ONE OF US.

You know, it's getting to the point where it's got more cache NOT to be asked to write for CTCL...

Agreed about the "cache" point. We already foresaw that.

When CTCL reaches issue one, we're gonna sackeveryone (if you CAN sack unpaid contributors, that is) and begin anew: I myself will be looking after the design, Steve after the words, and Andrew after photography. And David Mc - who is the only man (I'm guessing here, having never met) who does any work around here - can handle our debts... I mean, business side.

woohoo promotion from '(imaginary - space and time being only relative and squishy constructs in ctcl-land) office footstool' to 'professional whipping boy'.

who is cozen??

you might want to take a look at the state of my post-uni accounts before we get to issue one, then.

I was joking, David

mm.

Oh, and Jerry - it worked! Heh heh! This next column sure will be interesting... tee hee hee.

David Mc - I tried to e-mail you but the address you post under here doesn't exist (or so I was informed by one Colin Browne) - e-mail me your real address please.

Where is CTCL sold in Yorkshire?

Is ittrue CTCL is ending after Issue 1?

Thomas, check the website, there should be Yorkshire info on there somewhere!

Robin, yes, it's ending with issue #1. Its gonna be a doozie.