TS: Primal Scream v Royal Trux

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[A] 'Twin Infinitives' v 'Screamadelica'['masterpieces' in the original sense of the term], 'Thank You' v 'Give Out...', 'Sweet Sixteen' v 'Vanishing Point'[apotheosii], RT's last 3 v PS's last 2

[B] David Briggs v Andrew Weatherall/ Jimmy Miller

[C] Neal Hagerty and Bobby Gillespie served in the galleys under notorious assholes in Pussy Galore and JAMC respectively

[D] RT have half a good singer in Neal Hagerty. PS sometimes uses guest vocalists to great effect. Herrema and Gillespie are as bad as each other and seem to get worse all the time

dave q, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I like RT's last 3 better than PS's last 2 because while it sounds like they both work the same way, ie constructing each separate instrumental track so it sounds like something else before mixing it, RT sound like they 'shuffle' the tracks more so something different- sounding comes out, though I think diminishing returns set in after 'Accelerator', and I also think Pussy Galore was 90,000,000 times better than JAMC but then I would say that wouldn't I

dave q, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Simple: Royal Trux.

nath, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I only Have "Thank You" by the Trux, and might I say that it is one of the worst records in my collection. Horrendous, boogie-woogie drivel. Perhaps I should have started with Twin Infinitives. I heard "Stevie" off Accelerator, and it is a classic track, but other than that I must give the Trux a firm thumbs-down. I refuse to take part in ILM's popular Scream-baiting trend. Vanishing Point, Screamadelica and Xtrmntr are all splendid, and frequently on the stereo chez moi.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Primal Scream for music, The Trux for lyrics.

Primal Scream never came up with a line like 'you're so rank, you probably try to lick your own skank'.

BUT I found the Neil Hegarty album good, but a bit disappointing. Still making mind up about Weird War. Want to like it more than I do, I think.

nickie, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm a big fan of andy weatherall, screamadelica is a pretty good album (sort of weighed down by status etc but still good)

of course Pussy Galore were better than J&MC! pussy galore were great, not fussed about Royal Trux, i think Bewitched were the best of the PG offshoot bands...

gareth, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Perhaps I should have started with Twin Infinitives

Twin Infinitives isn't exactly an album to start with. It's nothing like Thank You, so that would be in its favour to you, but it's not exactly the most listenable recording ever made.

Vic Funk, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I could live with something that's not 100% listenable. What I will not tolerate is sub-Rolling Stones (hmmm...never thought that would be possible) cock-rock.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I think they both sux0r. SCRM are perhaps slightly worse, but that whole bad-ass r&r thing bores me senseless, dahlings. Well, for the most part, anyway - I used to have batt0red copies of "Groovy Hate Fuck/Feel Good about your Body" and, er, some other album with a purple cover containing an awesome piece called "Biker, Rock Loser", er by Pussy Galore, that is. They were good. However the Jesus & Mary Chain tower over all this stuf, I mean come on, "Psychocandy", y'know? Never mind thee string ov GREAT singles they made over the years - Have any of the laym0rz referred to above made a single as fukcing fgreat as "I hate Rock and Roll"? Or "Sometimes Always"?. No, they haven't, have they.

Norman Phay, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Bobby G = PURE SEX ON A STICK.

Jennifer H = actually, well, pretty damn hot, too, I'd do her if I were a lesbian.

So, erm, well. Can we just put on Primal Scream's "Accelerator" (RT, as covered by My Bloody Valentine) and have the best of both worlds?

kate, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Only RT I ahve is Sweet 16 - not sure if thats meant to be their lousy album or what.

M

Winkelmann, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Royal Trux, not least because Primal Scream's Stonesisms have never sounded as louche, unforced and personalised than the opiate-fuelled trips through Keith Richards' well-travelled intravenous system as Truz circa 'Cats & Dogs' and 'Dogs Of Love'...

Royal Trux, because Primal Scream have never sounded as frighteningly, helplessly, fatally and fearsomely LOST as 'driving in that car with the eagle on the hood'.

Royal Trux, because Neil and Jennfier don't have to constantly bang on about what huge music fans they are; they just ARE.

Royal Trux, because they've never blethered on about the ills of capitalism with cocaine fresh in their veins and vapid supermodels in their address books.

Royal Trux, because they ARE style icons, not just friends of them.

Royal Trux, because PS never recorded anything as entrancingly, wanly beautiful as 'Back To School'.

Royal Trux, because the quality of a Trux record isn't (wasn't?) wholly and utterly reliant upon whoever was producing the Trux at that moment in time, or whatever was in vogue with the hipsters right then and there.

The Trux have a more motley catalogue than most, but its is often and remarkably inspired...

sx

stevie, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Royal Trux, because they've never blethered on about the ills of capitalism with cocaine fresh in their veins and vapid supermodels in their address books.

Thanks for refusing to print my review, but paraphrasing it on IL*, so it is you who looks clever, not me. Poo. :-P

fiona f, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

"Thanks for refusing to print my review, but paraphrasing it on IL*, so it is you who looks clever, not me. Poo. :-P"

though your towering and fragile ego seems unable to accept this, i had actually entertained this opinion before reading your piece. i mean, it is a pretty fucking obvious hypocrisy on the part of ver scream.

but no, you're right, you were the first person to ever have this blindingly brilliant and searingly scathing insight. and my decision that your review of most of the tracks off the primal scream album that you'd downloaded off a friend, and not the album itself (in favour of album reviews of other, more deserving records) is, of course, further proof that i am seethingly bitter and jealous of your supreme talent, and currently waging a secret war against you, involving many and various nefarious tricks to keep you out of CTCL.

the last train out of reality just... left... the... station...

stevie, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Note to Stevie: engage SENSE OF HUMOUR before reading/responding to anything I ever post to IL*, por favor!

FF, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

oh no!! did i just miss the train?? OH NO!!

mark s, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

note to fiona/kate/masonicboom: i am big humourless boob and high temperature and smelly armpits have reduced me to post-first-think- later buffoon. apologies... xxx

stevie, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

There's a train to REALITY from IL*?

Dude, so that's where posters go when they disappear...

FF/Kate, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

they have trains now?

i wish twin infintives sounded like what y'all say it does

gareth, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

i really don't like twin infinitives... my buddy neil says its grate, but i just don't hear it.

incidentally, i remember the Trux being phenomenal live in the heady summer of 1998...

stevie, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey Kate, all aboard the express kundalini. *twang-ng-ng...*

Royal Trux I always mostly approved of where le Primals at their best (or their producers' best) I thoroughly enjoyed. But Bobby could never quite be as much of a frontperson as the one bit on the Royal Trux videotape from some years back where Jennifer Herrema does a semi-chest flash to the audience that's at once bold and, frankly, utterly disturbing.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Royal Trux. I think it comes down to pride. They have none.

Tracer hand, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

This argument is like the mods vs. the rockers. Or England vs. America. I feel it's pretty obvious that the Trux chased their own messed-up muse with a single-minded obliviousness to most rock trends. Jesus, they were making southern-fried boogie music in the 90's. What sane people would do that? Their immersion into their own trip comes across as much more genuine than PS's incessant trainspotting(though i really don't have a beef with PS). Plus, the Trux had a sense of humor that took their pretentiousness quotient about a million notches below Primal Scream's.

jay kirsch, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I like Trouser Press's take on Twin Inifinitives:

(T)he epic Twin Infinitives (initially a double-vinyl release) makes its predecessor sound like a product of a crack (no pun intended) Brill Building songwriting team. While reminiscent of Trout Mask Replica in its apparent real-time recording and off-the-cuff melodic lexicon (a feature hammered home by Herrema's slurry, somnolent delivery — she's at her spookiest on "Ice Cream" and the fractious "Jet Pet"), an array of cheap synths mimic the sensory overload of a strip-mall video arcade ("Solid Gold Tooth"). But that's just the half of it: tape-speed manipulations, toy-store instrumentation, blues harp and pornographic moans fade in and out, colliding head-on during the relentless fourteen-minute opus "(Edge of the) Ape Oven." Twin Infinitives is one of those rare albums that will sound as utterly damaged and as wholly out of place a decade from now as it did the day of its release.

Vic Funk, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think RT has the same handle on genres as Primal Scream. I'd have to say PS because of their varied catalog and musical mission. Also, they have Kevin Shields. Accelerator demolishes pretty much any pseudo garage rock from the past decade. Apples and oranges covered in drug abuse.

paul b., Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Swastika Eyes x2 plus Shoot Speed Kill Light=two songs which make PS great and show up any rolling stones comparisons for the "i haven't listened to primal scream in 6 years" bullshit they are. I don't care how much down to the producer or Kev Shields they were.

Ronan, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

royal trux have no 'velocity girl' so they lose.

keith, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

The new PS album has a song on it with vocals by Kate Moss that is in fact the worst song I have ever heard in my life. RT wins, whoever they are.

Mary, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

RTX, no contest. Primal Scream desperatly search for an image while Da Trux have the best non-image ever without even trying. They covered sucide is painless and made it sound DANGEROUS, they use harpsichord on Backt to School, Neil was in a band that wrote songs telling Ian Mackaye he looked like a jew, Cats and Dogs has bongos that sound good it (how fucken neat a trick is that?). and they recorded song which contained the sound of some freak rubbing an electric razor on the inside of an aluminium cooking pot. trux are inspirational. Thye make the best damn rock from whatevers lying around in their rooms and in their heads.

Andrew, Friday, 16 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)


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