Former Head Of Warner Music UK says album prices 'should drop to £1'

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The price of music albums should be slashed to around £1, a former major record label boss has suggested.

Rob Dickins, who ran Warner Music in the UK for 15 years, said "radically" lowering prices would help beat piracy and lead to an exponential sales rise.

Mr Dickins was in charge of the label from 1983-98, working with acts like Madonna, REM and Simply Red.

But his "revolution" in album prices has been met with scepticism from many in the music business.

Speaking at the In The City music conference in Manchester, Mr Dickins said album prices had already been pushed down by price wars and declining demand, and were likely to fall further.

"What we need is a revolution. What we've got is an erosion. When I was running Warners, a chart CD could be £12.99. A chart CD now can be £6.99, maybe even £5.99."

Some major album downloads currently sell for as little as £3.99 through retailers such as Amazon.

If record labels made the decision to charge much less, fans would not think twice about buying an album on impulse and the resulting sales boost would make up for the price drop, he predicted.

Making the comments during a debate with REM manager Bertis Downs, Mr Dickins advocated a "micro-economy" in which fans would make many small payments.

He said: "If you're a fan of REM and you've got 10 albums and there's a new album coming out, you've got to make that decision about whether you want it or not.

"If we lived in a micro-economy, that wouldn't be a decision. You'd just say 'I like REM' and you'd buy it."

Major albums would sell 200 million copies, he predicted. Last year's global best-seller, Susan Boyle's I Dreamed A Dream, sold eight million.

He added: "To a degree it solves piracy because if it's such a small amount people are more likely to pay it than [download for] free."

In his scenario, record labels would be able to make "big money" from other sources such as gig tickets and merchandising.

Mr Dickins said Prince went down this route when he gave his album Planet Earth away with the Mail on Sunday newspaper in 2007.

Fans had to pay a relatively small amount - the cost of the newspaper - but it generated enough interest to sell out 21 nights at the O2 arena in London.

Mr Dickins chaired the BPI, which represents UK record labels and stages the Brit Awards, four times between 1986 and 2002 and was made a CBE when he stepped down.

But he was dismissed by some at In The City as being out of touch and his idea is unlikely to be embraced by the current music industry.

Paul Quirk, chairman of the Entertainment Retailers Association, said: "Rob Dickins is part of the generation of executives who benefited from the age of £14 CDs and gave the music business a bad name.

"So it is ironic to hear him espouse the cause of the £1 album. Basic arithmetic indicates that this is a non-starter."

Jonathan Shalit, who discovered Charlotte Church and manages N Dubz and Russell Watson, described it as a "totally ridiculous suggestion".

"Right now if you buy a bottle of water it's £1," he said. "A piece of music is a valuable form of art. If you want the person to respect it and value it, it's got to cost them not a huge sum of money but a significant sum of money."

Chris Cooke, editor of music industry newsletter CMU, predicted that the major labels would "resist it hugely".

"It is a gamble," he said. "Once you've slashed the price of an album you can't really go back. It's a big risk and the record companies will resist it. But he's not alone, outside the record companies, in saying perhaps that is the future."

Never going to happen, but if it did, it couldn't possibly work, could it? I don't see how.
Prince did ok because he is PRINCE ,people will go see prince playing his back catalog, but how could it work for younger bands?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 15 October 2010 17:16 (fifteen years ago)

I'm not convinced by the logic that artists can make all their money from gigs and merchandising. Not everyone's suited to that. To use Prince as an example is just crazy.

It is weird to see CD prices plummet so much. I'm used to £3.99 albums on Amazon but I went to Sister Ray in Soho (London's main independent record shop) the other day for the first time in ages and was surprised to see £5.99 was the norm even there. I can't see in the article where exactly Dickins says that albums should be £1 though - is it just extrapolated from the cost of the Daily Mail? That's misleading.

As I understand it, artists still get their cut from a £3.99 album and it's the label and the retailer that takes the brunt of the reduction but I don't know how much lower it can go. My attitude tends to be that if you think even £3.99 is too much for an album then fuck you.

The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 15 October 2010 17:24 (fifteen years ago)

£3.99 cds??? Even sale cds are more than that. New discounted cds may be £8 (£10 in fopp) but lots are more than that and 50% of fopp cds are still £15!! HMV (who hardly have cds tbh) are just as bad. Its the top 40 cds + the constant crappy permanent sale shit at £7 and everything else is dvds.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 15 October 2010 17:28 (fifteen years ago)

And to think people say London is always more expensive!!

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 15 October 2010 17:29 (fifteen years ago)

If cd sales do get reduced (surely then the downloads have to come down too) and record labels decide to make their money through a cut of bands tours, then gig tickets are gonna go up and up til noone can afford it anymore.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 15 October 2010 17:31 (fifteen years ago)

OK, I guess I'm referring to the norm for back catalogue there. I picked up albums by Randy Newman, Neil Young, Tom Tom Club and Fleetwood Mac for £5.99 each yesterday. Obviously new releases are a bit more but I'm amazed Fopp sells anything for £15. I was pleasantly surprised by Sister Ray anyway - I'd always rather pay a bit more to give my money to an independent retailer rather than Amazon, just not £££ more.

Re: gigs, the market's slumped in the past couple of years after ticket prices went too high, so that's not something that can be milked indefinitely.

The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 15 October 2010 17:34 (fifteen years ago)

I don't think he said £1 at any point, no

The HMV in my neck of the woods has a pretty decent selection, certainly compared to what you describe there

rmde cat and the dweebs (DJ Mencap), Friday, 15 October 2010 17:36 (fifteen years ago)

Whatever about people being prepared to pay more for a concert ticket than for a record - when I was beginning to do both, the ratio was nearly the opposite - it's downright weird that they'll happily pay €25-30 for a T-shirt, but baulk at even half that for a record.

sonofstan, Friday, 15 October 2010 17:36 (fifteen years ago)

i can't remember the last time i actually bought a new cd, a couple of years probably, but i would buy new CDs if they were five dollars or less.

this kinda thinking is too little too late though. the damage is done. the greed did them in.

scott seward, Friday, 15 October 2010 17:37 (fifteen years ago)

feel like the sort of folks who are cool w/ paying £0.00 to download everything onto their PCs aren't even gonna be swayed by the prospect of paying £1.00 tbh

rmde cat and the dweebs (DJ Mencap), Friday, 15 October 2010 17:38 (fifteen years ago)

kinda sad that i can't afford to buy too much new vinyl these days. most new vinyl costs more than a cd. and most of the stuff i tend to like costs WAY more.

scott seward, Friday, 15 October 2010 17:39 (fifteen years ago)

Yeah, vinyl costs a bomb. The problem now is that because of all the freeloaders the people who will buy records are being milked with absurdly priced limited editions and $30 vinyl.

The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 15 October 2010 17:46 (fifteen years ago)

Interesting http://www.eraltd.org/content/News.asp?mode=AB

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 15 October 2010 17:49 (fifteen years ago)

£3.99 cds??? Even sale cds are more than that. New discounted cds may be £8 (£10 in fopp) but lots are more than that and 50% of fopp cds are still £15!! HMV (who hardly have cds tbh) are just as bad. Its the top 40 cds + the constant crappy permanent sale shit at £7 and everything else is dvds.

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 15 October 2010 18:28 (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I saw the NEW katy perry album in hmv for £3. Seriously.

I always think of those little pie charts hro keeps showing about how little the artists make from selling a £15 cd - selling a cd for a £1 but taking everyone away from it but the band, making the product and the distribution (i.e. p&P) would most probably make them more.

O holy ruler of ILF (a hoy hoy), Friday, 15 October 2010 18:06 (fifteen years ago)

This is my favourite illustration of how much artists earn. Interesting that the average CD or legal download nets them only 30 cents to $1.

http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/how-much-do-music-artists-earn-online/

The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 15 October 2010 18:16 (fifteen years ago)

I guess the talk about £5.99 albums are referring to back catalogue CDs in supermarkets or something? I only buy vinyl now, so I'm left agog at how expensive everything is (all modern reissues seem to be over £20, for example, and I'd guess the new stuff I get is £12-17).

emil.y, Friday, 15 October 2010 18:20 (fifteen years ago)

i dunno, i buy a lot of vinyl (okay, ONLY vinyl), and i almost never pay more than $20 for anything. the stuff i want tends to run between 10 & 20 bucks, sort of going in brackets. will generally default to the cheaper item. and i see super sale CDs going for less than that, for like 7 or 8 bucks, but i rarely want those albums in the first place. avg price for vinyl vs CDs in most well-curated shops seems comparable, unless you're buying the snazzy/elaborate overpackaged shit. or neil young records FFS.

contenderizer, Friday, 15 October 2010 18:39 (fifteen years ago)

I mostly buy vinyl but sometimes tape or cd if its cd/tape only nice packaging/cheap. Vinyl + shipping costs from the usa is murder now.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 15 October 2010 18:45 (fifteen years ago)

i just Spotify a lot of stuff now if its too dear.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 15 October 2010 18:45 (fifteen years ago)

Good luck with that.

I've played polar pool for far too long (MintIce), Friday, 15 October 2010 23:35 (fifteen years ago)


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